PAL anime DVD

[Ranguvar]

OK, I've searched and searched, but if someone could be kind and walk me through this, I would be eternally grateful.

I have a PAL anime DVD. If it helps, it was a Japanese TV show that was then released in Sweden with the original audio, but with subtitles. The video hasn't really been enhanced at all, it's still got scratches and tons of noise (but I can solve that myself).

The real problem is, I don't have much experience with all the framerate and interlacing funkiness on DVDs. Especially not PAL DVDs. When I used DGIndex after ripping the first episode with DVD Shrink, it said it was progressive 25fps.

So, my main question is, what do I need to do to this puppy. I want maximum quality possible. What do I need to do in regards to framerate, fields, all that messiness?

Thanks SO much to anyone who helps.
I've just heard so much about how anime is twisted and weird when it comes to this, and likewise with PAL...
I don't want to screw anything up.

[Guest]

You haven't told us what you are trying to do!

What are you exactly wanting to create?

[Ranguvar]

Ah, righto.

I want to encode each episode from the DVDs into a small size to keep for mine own enjoyment.

I can handle the encoding+filtering, it's just the whole 25fps --> 23.976fps (at least, I think that's what it's supposed to be), and apparently a lot of animes are variable framerate? That's got me confused.

[mahsah]

I have a PAL anime DVD.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH


OK, now that we have over with, yes, many anime dvds are variable framerate, except what usually happens is they blend the video sections to get it to the PAL framerate. (I think? I'm not an expert on PAL...) I think restore24 might work, although I think good ol' decimate has some options for PAL...

[Ranguvar]

OK, thanks. So I just run one of those in my AviSynth script, it's that simple?

[Ranguvar]

When indexing with DGIndex, I can't see a film/video percentage like I've heard about...

It comes out in the end saying frame rate is 25.000000fps, frame type is Interlaced, Colorimetry is BT.470-2 B,G

So now I'm wondering how to detect variable framerate if there is any, and how to deinterlace.

EDIT: Ah here we go:

Stream Type: MPEG2 Program
Profile: main@main
Frame Size: 720x576
Aspect Ratio: 4:3
Frame Rate: 25.000000 fps
Video Type: PAL
Frame Type: Interlaced
Coding Type: I
Colorimetry: BT.470-2 B,G
Frame Structure: Frame
Field Order:
Coded Number: 34958
Playback Number: 2
Frame Repeats: 0
Field Repeats: 0
VOB ID: 1
Cell ID: 3
Bitrate:
Bitrate (Avg):
Bitrate (Max):
Audio Stream: 80: AC3 2/0 224
Timestamp: 0:23:18
Elapsed: 0:00:54
Remain: FINISH
FPS:
Info:

EDIT #2: Ah, great. MeGUI, after analysing the VOB, says M-in-5 decimation required, value of M = 1. So, it wants to use Tritical Decimate.
Previewing the AVS it would make shows actual change in the scene (not just in the noise/grain) happens now about every other frame (ON AVERAGE) whereas before it was 1 in 3 frames on average.

[Guest]

The film percentage is printed at the bottom of the D2V file.

[Ranguvar]

Ah, thanks. It says 100% video.

Please check the edit I just made to my above post.

Also, analysing the D2V with MeGUI says it is progressive, whereas analysing the VOB says it needs M-in-5 decimation?

And, I should note that whether I do the Tritical Decimation or not, motion happens in EVERY frame in the intro.

[Guest]

We need to see an unprocessed source sample to advise you further.

100% video just means that there are no RFF (pulldown flags) in the stream. It doesn't tell you anything about whether the video is interlaced, progressive, field blended, etc.

[Ranguvar]

OK, I used DVD Shrink to set start/end points, start at the very beginning, end a little after the intro. That way both the intro and some of the main video are in it.

Uploading now, will update this post when I can with the link.

Thanks very much!

[Ranguvar]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8WCMZ7MS

Thanks!

[Guest]

OK, I used DVD Shrink to set start/end points You shrunk it? I asked for "unprocessed".

[Ranguvar]

No, I set it to "No Compression". I just set start/end points, so I wouldn't be handing you the entire DVD, which not only would be many gigabytes, but would surely violate "Fair Use" ;-)

If you have another freeware VOB splitter to recommend that works better, I'm all ears :)

Thanks again!

[jeffy]

No, I set it to "No Compression". I just set start/end points, so I wouldn't be handing you the entire DVD, which not only would be many gigabytes, but would surely violate "Fair Use" ;-)

If you have another freeware VOB splitter to recommend that works better, I'm all ears :)

Thanks again!

No one wants your entire VOB, have you heard about DGIndex??

[foxyshadis]

Do be polite. DVD Shrink works fine used this way, though you minimize the useless extra junk by using DGIndex's demuxer.

[jeffy]

Do be polite.
If it was for me, then I am rewording my words better:
There is no need for you to post the whole VOB file. You can use DGIndex for cutting a video sample. You use it for indexing, you might have heard it can be used for cutting samples as well.

"No one wants" was meant as "Please understand, no one wants your whole DVD files."
[No offense intended.]

[Ranguvar]

No offense taken.

The "entire VOB" comment was a joke I now wish I hadn't included. I use DGIndex on a daily basis to index my GoW clips, I just did not know it could it could cut video, since I tend to use it through MeGUI since several other daily operations I need are availible easily through MeGUI.

[Ranguvar]

So, can anyone help? :)