Multi angle question

[rapscallion]

DVDRB 1.26.6, CCE 2.70.02.6

Disc is 6 Days 7 Nights, single VTS, 32 cells, the first 6 are ILV. Original disc plays fine except that's it's 4:3 LB. Using DVD RB to convert to 16:9 LB of course reported "detected ANGLE and/or interleaving on source", as expected. No compression required, fits on a dvd5 with room to spare.

The conversion plays fine, however, the dvd player now displays the mulit angle icon on screen permanently ( I can turn off "display on screen messages" in setup but then I'll lose all msg displays). (on 2 different players btw, both Samsung). Should I have "Disable interlaced" checked in the advanced settings? What is happenning in the reencode process to trigger the message display and is there a way to encode so it doesn't ?

[jdobbs]

You did force reencoding, right? You can't convert to 16:9 without reencoding.

Can't imagine anything that would set the message on... are you doing any kind of conversion (like a "Movie Only")?

[rapscallion]

Yes, I did force encoding and I did select "movie only mode".
What exactly does "disable interlaced" do ?

[setarip_old]

Sounds like, somewhere in the processing, the VOB PUO that controls display of the camera icon was "turned off". Click on the following:

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=840545&postcount=12

[rapscallion]

Thanks Setarip ! I'll check that out when I get home. I'll compare the before and after and it should reveal if that's what happenned.

[rapscallion]

No puo's at all after the renencode. The original has the angle change (among others) checked. I'll reburn the backup with this change and see if that does the trick, it's certainly an easy enough fix (pgcedit). Thanks again setarip, I did a search before posting and didn't see that linked post by rOIZ at all.

[setarip_old]

Thanks again setaripYou're quite welcome ;>}

Let us know if re-implementing that PUO does the trick for you...

[rapscallion]

OK, just tested it and Voila, no more angle/camera icon....worked like a charm ! Gotta love this forum :thanks:

[blutach]

You may be able to just set the angle change PUO in the IFO. In any event, as setarip has pointed out, PgcEdit can fix this for you in the VOBs.

Regards

[rapscallion]

Hi Les, Actually before I posted the question I checked the IFO (ifo edit) and couldn't find any puo angle reference at all.

Checking it off in pgcedit was quick and easy.

[setarip_old]

OK, just tested it and Voila, no more angle/camera icon....worked like a charm !Glad to hear that my steering you to that post solved your problem ;>}

I'm curious to understand how you originally deleted/turned off that PUO without realizing it?

[SpazzHH]

I would be curious also. Do you perhaps have your ripping program set up to remove all PUO in IFO and VOB?

[rapscallion]

Glad to hear that my steering you to that post solved your problem ;>}

I'm curious to understand how you originally deleted/turned off that PUO without realizing it?
I didn't , somehow it was turned off when I did a DVD rebuild to convert the 4:3 LB to 16:9 LB (reencodeing w/CCE forced as it was a dvd 5 size already.)

[rapscallion]

I would be curious also. Do you perhaps have your ripping program set up to remove all PUO in IFO and VOB?
No, the original rip played fine (dvd decrypter). However now that I have a 16:9 Plasma, the movie was playing 16:9 inside a 4:3 image (see the OP) So I did a DVD Rebuild conversion to 16:9 LB, that's when the puo flag was changed by the prog, not by me.

[rapscallion]

OK, for those in the future reading this thread, who may not understand what happenned, this may help make some sense of it all. The first shot is the pgcedit screen showing the prohibited user operations that were in effect after the original rip of the complete dvd.(note that angle change is checked, among others of course)
The second shot shows the same screen after DVDRebuilder processing (movie only mode). Note that there are NO PUO's checked. This resulted in the angle icon displayed upon playback. By merely checking the angle change box and saving, the icon disappeared.

http://mysite.verizon.net/fwk323/pics/6days1.png

http://mysite.verizon.net/fwk323/pics/6days2.png

[blutach]

I've not known DVDRB to remove PUOps. Is there some sort of hidden setting? Or is this the way a movie only output is?

EDIT: Just did a test - yes, MO removes all PUOps (Note: Full Disk preserves them). Hmmm... I guess VOB PUops are not preserved either?

Regards

[jdobbs]

Movie Only mode creates a new IFO file from scratch.

[blutach]

@jdobbs

I guess it needs to preserve the PUops then, as consequences such as the above will happen if not. Do you plan to change the behaviour of MO mode based on the above?

Regards

[jdobbs]

I guess the answer is that this is a rare occurance. Most of the PUOps don't apply to Movie Only.

Of course I could preserve them... but I'll have to give a little thought to the implications. For example: suppose something was prohibited because the original author only wanted it to be changed from a menu... in movie-only mode (if I kept the PUOps) it couldn't be changed at all... (e.g. through the remote).

In the example given above the angle is kept... but how would you switch between them? No menu.

[rapscallion]

On my players I'm able to switch between the angles via the players "info" menu (at least I think the angle changed), didn't need the disc menu. I tend to agree though, that this is probably a rare occurrence. Interestingly, this is an older disc with a still picture menu that doesn't come up by default, only when you press the menu button. The only extra was a theatrical trailer and I don't care/need the chapter selections (complete, it was just over 4gb) so I opted for the movie only , because I was only interested in the 4:3 LB conversion.

Edit: I just checked the original disc menu and there is NO selection for angle change there.

[jdobbs]

Hmmm.... the other possibility is that it isn't angles at all. The disc probably has two different versions (like a directors cut, etc.). In that case the other ILVU section(s) might be selected by playing another PGC. If that's true, the alternate cells aren't kept anyway, since DVD-RB only selects the largest PGC for movie-only.

[rapscallion]

No, just one version. The first pgcedit screen shot in my previous post yesterday, shows the complete disc structure in the left pane. Additionally, it's only the first 6 cells, out of 32, that are ILV. I know, very strange.

[jdobbs]

You see that a lot. Often the alternate angles are the titles in foreign languages. They are selected by the language menus.

[blutach]

Either way, if angles are present, many players will pop up the annoying angle icon on the screen, if the PUO is not present. For mine, stripping the angles is best anyway - it saves space and increases quality. However, for people who keep angles, I'd keep the angle and Go up PUOs marked as on. The rest can be obliterated.

How about an option for MO users that where more than one angle is present, they can select the angle they want to display and then write a SetSTN precommand in the title's PGC (with a default of angle 1)? Or perhaps strip off the other angles?

Regards

[rapscallion]

You see that a lot. Often the alternate angles are the titles in foreign languages. They are selected by the language menus.
jdobbs...you hit it spot on. Here are 2 screen shots from DvdRemake. Angle 1 shows the title info in English and Angle 2 shows it in French :

http://mysite.verizon.net/fwk323/pics/dr1.png

http://mysite.verizon.net/fwk323/pics/dr2.png

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Hi!In the example given above the angle is kept... but how would you switch between them? No menu.To the best of my knowledge, all standalone DVD player original remote controls have an "Angle" button...

[jdobbs]

But it would be blocked if the PUOp was disabled...

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Perhaps I've misunderstood your earlier statement:In the example given above the angle is kept... but how would you switch between them? No menu.I took this to mean the PUO remains ENABLED...

[blutach]

Meaning, it is prohibited to switch, with the angle button on the remote.

Regards

[setarip_old]

@blutach

Your statement seems to contradict this one by "jdobbs"
But it would be blocked if the PUOp was disabled...I don't think you can both be correct...

[jdobbs]

What I meant was "if it was selected" or "checked" as a PUOp (prohibited user operation) which would "disable" the function. Unclear for sure... :)

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Thanks for clarifying ;>}