AutoMKV 0.95 beta 21 NEED TESTER!

[valnar]

Well, if you do that, then not only are you stretching the horizontal while encoding, you're also squishing the vertical. Basically you're taking a 3:2 source and smashing it with an encoding mallet until it's 16:9 or 1.85:1 or 2.35:1.

Correct. That is a trade-off that delacroixp is willing to make.


When file size (e.g., 700mb) isn't an object, encoding without resizing the source's PAR ensures the best possible quality-retention for any given set of profiles, filters, etc.

My assumption is that as long as you keep all the original pixels, and don't throw any away, your encode will be about the same quality - even if you add some extra pixels. If you upscale in the file or upscale in the display device - either way it takes the total pixels of the original video and expands it to the proper size within the display, thus "adding" more pixels. When you throw away pixels to downscale, then there is more of a quality tradeoff.

One can argue, as you do, that by changing the PAR or FAR at all distorts the original DVD video by interpolating some more pixels. That is true. (a 1080P HDTV upscaling a 480i DVD does this too, as does my PC monitor at 1024x768) But I like 1:1 PAR files - so trying to figure out the least "damaging" resize filter (spline36, Lanczos, HybridFupp?) is critical.

Like I said, doing any x264 conversion on an original MPEG2 source will take away some quality too, so 720x480 or 720x576 anamorphic encodes aren't as good as the original source either.

OK, we all digress. Sorry about that Buzz.

Robert

[acrespo]

I deleted all temp files and run a job again but the problem still here. Frozen after audio encode. The last status bar message is: "Computing and analysing movie parameters". There isn't movie.avs file in temp and here is .LOG files:

VTS_01_0.IFO.log

01:12:37 0.95 beta 10 - - - - - - - - - - - - - START JOBS - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
01:12:37 Selected Input file: Z:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_0.IFO
01:12:37 Selected Output dir: D:\vob\temp\
01:12:37 Selected Final Name: BUFFY S05E08
01:12:37 Selected Container type: MP4
01:12:37 Selected Encoder: X264
01:12:37 Selected Size: 350 / 1
01:12:37 Selected Profile: PSP Max.xml
01:12:37 Selected Resizer: Spline36Resize (neutral sharp) / 720
01:12:37 Selected Filters: NONE
01:12:37 Selected Deinterlacer: Decimating
01:12:37 Selected Field Order: AUTO
01:12:37 Activate PGC Ripping: 1
01:12:37 Track Language 1: 80: English (AC3 2ch, 0xBD 0x80) [0,1,2,3]
01:12:37 Audio Codec 1: Coding Tech. AAC
01:12:37 Audio Quality 1: 128
01:12:37 Audio Channel 1: Stereo
01:12:37 Track Language 2: NONE
01:12:37 Audio Codec 2: Nero AAC
01:12:37 Advanced Audio Settings DUMP Track 1
01:12:37 Audio Track Language: und
01:12:37 Nero Option Profiles: AUTO --- Encoding Mode: Quality
01:12:37 CCT Option Profiles: LC --- Channel Options: AUTO
01:12:37 Lame Settings: ABR
01:12:37 Audio Normalization: 1
01:12:37 Frequency: AUTO --- Tempo: NONE --- Pitch: NONE --- Other Add:
01:12:37 Selected 1' Sub tracks: RIP ALL SUBS
01:12:37 Activate Anamorphic Encoding
01:12:37
01:12:37 Starting ripping from Z:\VIDEO_TS\ to D:\vob\temp\
01:13:24 Finished Ripping
01:13:24 Starting SubRipping
01:14:04 Subtitle Size: 1390592 bytes
01:14:04 Finished SubRipping
01:14:04 Activate PGC processing: PGC 1 [0:44:28:28]


VTS_01_1.vob.log

01:14:04 Dgindex CMD: C:\encodes\AutoMKV\exe\dgindex\dgindex.exe -FO=0 -OM=1 -TN=80 -YR=2 -AIF=[D:\vob\temp\DVD\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.vob] -OF=[D:\vob\temp\movie] -exit -minimize
01:14:59 D2V file size: 378824
01:14:59 Audio 1 :movie t80 2_0ch 192kbps delay 0ms.ac3
01:14:59 Pre Audio Size: 64118016 bytes
01:14:59 Applying DelayAudio of 0 to audio file: movie t80 2_0ch 192kbps delay 0ms.ac3
01:14:59 Encoding D:\vob\temp\movie t80 2_0ch 192kbps delay 0ms.ac3 to Coding Tech. AAC
01:17:50 Encoded 1' Audio Track: 43417384 bytes

[Honeyko]

acrespo, try dumping your entire AutoMKV folder (save the NeroAAC file first), then grab a fresh .93 and plop b10 in.

-- I've had to do that at least twice.


Also, rename your source file to a new, unique name prior to encoding, just to throw off any weird linkage to same-named files.

[delacroixp]

Correct. That is a trade-off that delacroixp is willing to make.

Well, not entirely willing...
I'm surrounded by a whole bunch of the roughest kind of gangsters with very big guns to my head... coercing
me to speed up my encodes because I'm stealing their computer-time.

Ken MacGregor, my Computer Science professor at UCT (http://www.cs.uct.ac.za/) would often mention that life is about priorities... if
your project is late because of other more pressing commitments... 10% off per day.

Such are the ever-pressing demands on the encoder to balance difficult decisions and compromise to achieve a perfect result.
By perfect encode, I don't mean perfect quality... because that will always be less than what you started with !


:):devil::D
Pascal

[buzzqw]

@acrespo

when automkv say computing movie... is some dos box working ?
do you see on task manager any x264.exe working ?

BHH

[buzzqw]

update to beta 11

ADDED: "Don't Mux But Save Temp Folder" checking this option will force AutoMKV to rename temp folder (based on movie name) and to not mux . On Advanced Settings in Edit Encoding phase

BHH

[Aylwin]

This single post has kept me up at night..... and got me thinking.

I like the idea of keeping my encodes to 1:1 PAR, as impractical as that may be given an anamorphic source.
Well, your post and the exchange that followed has also got me thinking. I guess this is not the place to pursue this discussion so I started a new topic HERE (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=133879).

I'd appreciate it if you guys could give comments and feedback on my idea.

[Aylwin]

update to beta 11
If I select SeeSaw() as the filter, select Manual Crop/Resize and then Preview, I get the follow error:

Script error: there is no function named "SeeSaw"
(preview.avs, line 46)

[acrespo]

@acrespo

when automkv say computing movie... is some dos box working ?
do you see on task manager any x264.exe working ?

BHH

No, but AutoMKV is using about 40% CPU all the time when the normal is 5-10% at this point.

[survivant001]

update to beta 11

ADDED: "Don't Mux But Save Temp Folder" checking this option will force AutoMKV to rename temp folder (based on movie name) and to not mux . On Advanced Settings in Edit Encoding phase

BHH

cool.. I wanted that for a long time :)

[buzzqw]

@Aylwin
thanks, fixed in next beta

BHH

[delacroixp]

Is there a way to Force NOT 1:1 PAR during encodes when MKV signalling is being used ?
My method or the MKV way of signalling the correct AR (or resolution) is NOT compatible with PAR 1:1 !!!


The PAR 1:1 system arranges pixels in such a way that "pixel layout AR" most closely approximates DAR (as used by DivX).
It's recognizes that only rarely will pixel layout AR = DAR (given the restraints of MOD 16, MOD 8 and MOD 2 cropping)... but accepts it as a necessary trade-off.
The visual impact is usually minimal.

Signalling, by contrast, allows any variation of anamorphic movie. Any stretch, horizontal or vertical, away from a 1:1 PAR can be combined with a signalled AR to produce the correct DAR on playback.
A near infinite combinations of Anamorphic vs DAR are possible... compared to the 4 standard anamorphic combinations (PAL -> 16:9, 4:3 <- NTSC).
Signalling finetunes an otherwise hapharzard system at best.


Signalling stretches pixels... PAR 1:1, by contrast, does not !



:):devil::D
Pascal

[delacroixp]

Well, if you do that, then not only are you stretching the horizontal while encoding, you're also squishing the vertical.
Basically you're taking a 3:2 source and smashing it with an encoding mallet until it's 16:9 or 1.85:1 or 2.35:1.

Not quite...
I'm taking a 3:2 anamorphic and smashing it into a NOT-quite-1:1 anamorphic and finally signalling the PAR 1:1 mallet on playback.
This anamorphic movie is like a mealable block of stone that gets sculptured into a rough shape and eventually finetuned into sheer perfection on playback.


When file size (e.g., 700mb) isn't an object, encoding without resizing the source's PAR ensures the best possible quality-retention for any given set of profiles, filters, etc.
Well, filesize is always an obstacle... if not 700mb, maybe 1gb or 1.5gb !


:):devil::D
Pascal

[delacroixp]

Going with quality for the moment, what profile, custom-matrix, and Advanced and Advanced Profiles Editing selections would you choose for, say, a mid-80s DVD print of an average film with a good deal of grain and some flicker, if I were looking for medium-to-good bitrates (but without high bitrate "spikes" that'd choke slower systems)?

I just wish I knew about all that advanced stuff like matrices (custom or otherwise), scripts and profile editing.

As I mentioned to valnar (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1088726#post1088726) ... quality is a combination of resolution and bitrate.
(The potential speed of a car is a combination of engine-hp and the weight of the car)
An animation might have been encoded at 720x576 but you can easily drop the resolution to 720xh with no loss of detail (in some cases).
I found that Band of Brothers is so intense that a high resolution and a hi bitrate are both very welcome.

As to your somewhat shabby 80's movie... a lower resolution and lower bitrate would probably work quite well.
(I usually use Lanczos and RemoveGrain for lack of knowing any better)
800 is to PAL what 720 is to NTSC.
Try Q22... It's a happy place for happy people (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1088567#post1088567) !


:):devil::D
Pascal

[Honeyko]

Well, filesize is always an obstacle... if not 700mb, maybe 1gb or 1.5gb !
Bah. Verbatim DVD+R in 100-packs...about 30c a pop.As to your somewhat shabby 80's movie... a lower resolution and lower bitrate would probably work quite well. (I usually use Lanczos....What are its virtues relative to the other resizers? (I've always used Simple(NeutralSoft)and RemoveGrain for lack of knowing any better) 800 is to PAL what 720 is to NTSC. Try Q22... It's a happy place for happy people!Believe it or not, when file-size is not an object, a high-performance one-pass xvid at 100% quality setting can look almost losslessly good...and even better than the source if the source is extremely grainy (all bow down and light joss sticks at the altar of the LEM filter!). There are some horribly dark and grainy scenes in Dragonslayer where I could not, for the life of me, get any x264 test to deal with it decently. Those shooting-stars over the wizard's tower were just murder....

About the only resizing I ever do is to upsize the vertical to mod16; width I leave as-in, and I encode anamorphically. (VLC plays anamorphic flawlessly.) Cartoons are about the only things I ever crunch, mainly because they come in bunches, and, IMO, most of them look better with a hint of "warm fuzziness" rather than stab-your-eyeball cold-robotic sharpness.

[Honeyko]

b11 BUG: Clicking the Preview button, and then clicking its [x] close box will sometimes close AutoMKV as well (and that may or may not leave invisible tasks running in the background eating CPU% endlessly until they are force-quit in the Task Manager).

Strongly recommended suggestion: AutoMKV has a "Quit yes/now" confirmation pop-up.

[Honeyko]

b11 BUG: The permanent pop-ups have gone back to temporary pop-ups.

[Honeyko]

b11 BUG: The resetting resize bug is still there:

1. Launch AutoMKV; select a video.
2. Select Constant Quality.
3. Select Don't Care About Size.
...observe Resize Filter change to NONE.
4. Choose a Resize Filter (not Simple)
5. Choose Manual Resize / Crop in Advanced Settings.
...observe Width Resolution setting gray out.
6. Click Start Encoding.
...observe Resize Filter change to NONE as encoding begins.


...later, if you change Constant Quality to anything, and then back to Constant Quality, you can observe your Resize Filter change to NONE.

[buzzqw]

b11 BUG: Clicking the Preview button, and then clicking its [x] close box will sometimes close AutoMKV as well (and that may or may not leave invisible tasks running in the background eating CPU% endlessly until they are force-quit in the Task Manager).

there is a ACCEPT / CANCEL button.. in preview.. maybe i will remove the X

b11 BUG: The permanent pop-ups have gone back to temporary pop-ups.

i just made it longer not permament :p


1. Launch AutoMKV; select a video.
2. Select Constant Quality.
3. Select Don't Care About Size.
...observe Resize Filter change to NONE.
4. Choose a Resize Filter (not Simple)
5. Choose Manual Resize / Crop in Advanced Settings.
...observe Width Resolution setting gray out.
6. Click Start Encoding.
...observe Resize Filter change to NONE as encoding begins.

this problem happen only if you do a constrained crf encoding
... it's not possible to select don't care about size if you select a pure crf/cq encoding
even more why doing a constrained crf encoding... with unlimited final size...

BHH

[survivant001]

@buzzwq : bug

the line "Time Elapsed" in the x Pass in the popup doesn't stop flashing.. and automkv taking 22-45% of the CPU a low priority and x264 taking 9%.

If I change x264 to normal, automkv will take 8%, but the label will still flash.

[buzzqw]

@survivant001 AND @Honeyko

please try this new beta http://www.64k.it/andres/data/a/AutoMKV095beta12.exe

BHH

[delacroixp]

@survivant001 AND @Honeyko

please try this new beta AutoMKV 0.95 beta12 (http://www.64k.it/andres/data/a/AutoMKV095beta12.exe)

Perhaps I could try it too... I'm feeling a bit left out here at the southern tip of Africa.


:):devil::D
Pascal

[buzzqw]

you are just a little bit (often) off topic .. since this thread is for testing automkv 0.95 beta.

BHH

[kapucin]

Hello,
I have the similar "resize" problem.
What I'm trying to do is resize from 3:4 -> 16:9 (544:480 -> 704:396), mpeg-2 -> xvid, preserve most quality, get the file size equal to or less than the original (test clip is 47 MB), keep the encoding time to 1 - 1.5 hours for 1 - 2 GB file.

Test 1: Constant_quality, don't care about size, use manual crop/resize. The output file has the right dimensions, good quality, but the size is more than doubled - 97 MB.

Test 2: Constant_quality, 1 CD (variable constant quality), use manual crop/resize. The output file has the right dimensions, bad quality.

Test 3: 1_Pass_High_Perf, 1 CD, Spline36, use manual crop/resize. The output file has right dimensions, size is 11 MB, very BAD quality (no focus, blurred, etc.)

Test 4: 1_Pass_High_Perf, don't care about size, the resizers got reset to NONE, use manual crop/resize. The output file has WRONG (original) dimensions.

Test 5: 1_Pass_High_Perf, manually set output size to 20GB, Spline36. The output has good quality, right dimensions, the size is ~26MB (for 50GB output size the result is ~42MB).

Test 6: Convert a full movie (1.2GB) using options from Test 5. The output is ~300MB, right dimensions, very BAD quality.
I specified 20GB in disk settings, but the program seems to ignore it somehow. I'm totally lost...

It seems the only option that produces good quality is in Test 1, but the file size is not acceptable...

I haven't tested with 0.93a.
Anything else I can try?
BTW, where is that option specified "pure crf/cq encoding"?

Thanks

[Aylwin]

My Preview window is now broken. The window opens up, the controls are there on the left side but there's no image:

http://cal-family.org/files/preview.jpg

I can set the crop values and Preview Resized works.

I've tried going back to 0.93, restarting the PC and doing a complete reinstall of AutoMKV. It's still broken. So maybe there are some corrupted temp files somewhere related to the video playback in the Preview window?

[buzzqw]

@kapucin

First of all Welcome to the Forum

Test 1: Constant_quality, don't care about size, use manual crop/resize. The output file has the right dimensions, good quality, but the size is more than doubled - 97 MB.
that's ok, since it's a "don't care.."

Test 2: Constant_quality, 1 CD (variable constant quality), use manual crop/resize. The output file has the right dimensions, bad quality.
maybe a high crf used ?

Test 3: 1_Pass_High_Perf, 1 CD, Spline36, use manual crop/resize. The output file has right dimensions, size is 11 MB, very BAD quality (no focus, blurred, etc.)
1 pass.. isn't well suited for re encoding videos

Test 4: 1_Pass_High_Perf, don't care about size, the resizers got reset to NONE, use manual crop/resize. The output file has WRONG (original) dimensions.

you must set the resizer AFTER select don't care about size

Test 5: 1_Pass_High_Perf, manually set output size to 20GB, Spline36. The output has good quality, right dimensions, the size is ~26MB (for 50GB output size the result is ~42MB).

you have maximized the quality... no more to gain without tweaking the profiles

Test 6: Convert a full movie (1.2GB) using options from Test 5. The output is ~300MB, right dimensions, very BAD quality.
I specified 20GB in disk settings, but the program seems to ignore it somehow. I'm totally lost...
1_Pass_High_Perf

It seems the only option that produces good quality is in Test 1, but the file size is not acceptable...

just try the 2 pass, and a log could help


@Aylwin

i suppose it's a overlay issue

try using as input a d2v file

.. and maybe recheck your video drivers

BHH

[valnar]

My Preview window is now broken. The window opens up, the controls are there on the left side but there's no image:

This happened to me too with AutoMKV. I don't remember what I did to fix it, but I play with my PC all the time. I may have reinstalled FFDShow, changed Directshow filter preferences, etc.

-Robert

[Honeyko]

b11 BUG: Clicking the Preview button, and then clicking its [x] close box will sometimes close AutoMKV as wellthere is a ACCEPT / CANCEL button.. in preview.. maybe i will remove the XThe reason I was clicking the [X] is because the box wasn't going away when I clicked cancel. And anyway, removing the [X] is just a "band-aid" -- because something bad is causing the main AutoMKV window to close when that [X] is being clicked.
b11 BUG: The permanent pop-ups have gone back to temporary pop-ups.i just made it longer not permament :pWhy make them temporary at all? (The annoyance here is that some pop-ups will not reappear after disappearing, even though you swing your mouse back and forth over the "correct" area.)

-- Suggest taking a methodical "inventory" of every bit, especially on the Advanced pages? There's a lot of strange behavior with those pop-ups, and many things that need pop-ups don't have them (or they never appear).
6. Click Start Encoding.
...observe Resize Filter change to NONE as encoding begins.
this problem happen only if you do a constrained crf encoding
... it's not possible to select don't care about size if you select a pure crf/cq encodingOK; try it with 1-pass/HighP. The point is: nothing should be permitted to auto-change your choice of Resize Filter, because if it goes to NONE after you click Start Encoding, and you have your eyes turned away from the screen for a moment, you might just be instructing your computer to waste the next twelve hours.

==//==

...any chance of zoom-in being adding to the Cropping preview? There are presently no video-playing utilities I am aware of which permit a user to zoom up to the pixel level in native 1:1 PAR (very important for determining exactly how many columns are "bad" in a typical 3:2 ratio 720x480 NTSC DVD or 4:3 768x576 PAL DVD). Taking a screenclip in VLC Media Player isn't ideal because you'd be taking a snapshot of the anamorphically stretched picture, not the 1:1 PAR. Using the autocrop isn't ideal because it shaves off too much.

[Honeyko]

Annoyance or bug: AutoMKV auto-selects a Custom Matrix deinterlacer for you while you're fiddling with profile, presets, etc in Basic Settings.

[valnar]

Annoyance or bug:


Slow down man!... Some of us like these bugs. :p

Robert

[Honeyko]

Toss-up: Are they any matrixes that can discover "repeat" bits of film (other than individual progressive frames)?

Example: Take a test clip of film and drop it over 7zip. Then, using VideoRedo, loop the clip three times, and save. Then drop that over 7zip, and notice that 7zip discovers the repeating pattern, and creates a file barely larger than the first one. -- And 7zip is just zipper, not an encoding utility.

I have a 8136kb 300-frame test clip whose last 60 or 80 frames are "pure black". 7zip losslessly compresses the MPEG2 to 6147kb. The triple-loop is 18,957kb (not 24mb, so I'm guessing VideoRedo found a way to save some space in the MPEG2 container); 7zip losslessly compresses that to the exact same 6147kb! A 1pass/highP produced a 8mb file, which 7zip could compress to 6.5mb, so there's obviously still a lot of redundant frames in there.

(My clip is available to anyone who PMs me their address.)

[Honeyko]

Suggestion: Have a setting which turns OFF the current behavior of scrolling Profiles, Filters, etc., when the mouse wheel is moved. (Right now, it's easy to accidentally change something when you didn't mean to.)

[buzzqw]

The reason I was clicking the [X] is because the box wasn't going away when I clicked cancel. And anyway, removing the [X] is just a "band-aid" -- because something bad is causing the main AutoMKV window to close when that [X] is being clicked.

the thread task between main automkv window and preview isn't a easy bind

so.. this band-aid is as much as possible now

Why make them temporary at all? (The annoyance here is that some pop-ups will not reappear after disappearing, even though you swing your mouse back and forth over the "correct" area.)

put your mouse over the system tray , and let's popup that date/time
stick it will the pop-up vanish, then move your mouse and retry display the pop-up with time/date

OK; try it with 1-pass/HighP. The point is: nothing should be permitted to auto-change your choice of Resize Filter, because if it goes to NONE after you click Start Encoding, and you have your eyes turned away from the screen for a moment, you might just be instructing your computer to waste the next twelve hours.

what about leaving simple resize/automatic width and Don't care about size ?

should automkv to an unlimited compression test ?

No. User should pay attention. But i understud you question. I will study the best approach to do a idiot proof "don't care about size"

any chance of zoom-in being adding to the Cropping preview?
No

Annoyance or bug: AutoMKV auto-selects a Custom Matrix deinterlacer for you while you're fiddling with profile, presets, etc in Basic Settings

The Custom Matrix is read from profile. Edit to your taste.

Toss-up: Are they any matrixes that can discover "repeat" bits of film (other than individual progressive frames)?
afaik no matrix, just Dup filter
Anyway x264/xvid should compress black frame at ridicolous bitrate

Suggestion: Have a setting which turns OFF the current behavior of scrolling Profiles, Filters, etc., when the mouse wheel is moved. (Right now, it's easy to accidentally change something when you didn't mean to.)
most list are already selectable without causing changes.. ones causing changes are wanted (.. maybe i left some..)


@valnar
thanks :cool:

BHH

[Honeyko]

b12: BUG

1. Open the Task Manager and click Processes and then Image Name tab (so you can observe everything alphabetically).

2. Start an encode in AutoMKV, and then try to abort it by right-click/ close or exiting various bits as they launch. Force Close the x264.exe process in the Task Manager. (You'll need to kill about half a dozen things, some of them multiple times.)

....eventually you'll enter a weird state where AutoMKV is consuming 90+% of your CPU, but none of the other various encoding tools are listed as present in the Task Manager -- you might innocently think you're all ready to make changes and click Start Encoding again....but AutoMKV is already doing something mysterious.

(At that point, closing AutoMKV stops the CPU-sucking behavior...but it appears there is no "graceful" way to abort an encode.)

[buzzqw]

automkv is a gui, if you want to sabotate it, it's a lot better to close it

also.. do you know that if you disable the RPC service on your windows you will not be able to boot windows again ? :rolleyes:

EDIT: in next beta on selecting "don't care about size" automkv will not do anything, just on status bar "Don't use Automatic Width. It's a waste of time with Unlimited File Size."

BHH

[Honeyko]

The point is: nothing should be permitted to auto-change your choice of Resize Filterwhat about leaving simple resize/automatic width and Don't care about size ? should automkv to an unlimited compression test ? No. User should pay attention. But i understud you question. I will study the best approach to do a idiot proof "don't care about size"I think the problem here is that "size" is being used in two different contexts: (1) output file-size, and (2) screen width and height.

-- If I have manually-entered crop values, and therefore a Resize filter, changing my profile or disk settings shouldn't be killing my Resize filter -- because that's related to reshaping the image after cropping (usually to mod8 or mod16), not output file-size.

Suggestion: Completely disassociate "Resize Filters" choices from "Disk Settings" and/or "Profile" changes **if** the user has checked "Use Manual Crop/Resize" (as this indicates that he doesn't want AutoMKV to automatically decide what width x height his output will be).

==//== EDIT

in next beta on selecting "don't care about size" automkv will not do anything, just on status bar "Don't use Automatic Width. It's a waste of time with Unlimited File Size."The behavior can manifest by changing Profile alone. Example:

1. Open video; select Constant Quality profile.
2. Check Manual Resize / Crop in Advanced Settings (a Resize Filter is auto-selected; change to taste).
3. Change profile to 2-Pass Better Quality.

...Resize Filter resets to NONE even though you haven't selected either 1pass or touched Disk Settings.

==//==

Bug (still trying to reproduce): On at least one occasion, "Disk Settings" remained grayed-out even after changing profile to something which would support it.

==//==

Thanks for the 2-pass SAP profile! http://www.sonataarctica.info/phpBB2/images/smiles/metalhead.gif

[buzzqw]

-- If I have manually-entered crop values, and therefore a Resize filter, changing my profile or disk settings shouldn't be killing my Resize filter -- because that's related to reshaping the image after cropping (usually to mod8 or mod16), not output file-size.

Suggestion: Completely disassociate "Resize Filters" choices from "Disk Settings" and/or "Profile" changes **if** the user has checked "Use Manual Crop/Resize" (as this indicates that he doesn't want AutoMKV to automatically decide what width x height his output will be).

The behavior can manifest by changing Profile alone. Example:

1. Open video; select Constant Quality profile.
2. Check Manual Resize / Crop in Advanced Settings (a Resize Filter is auto-selected; change to taste).
3. Change profile to 2-Pass Better Quality.

...Resize Filter resets to NONE even though you haven't selected either 1pass or touched Disk Settings.

these are a very good suggestions! :thanks:

please try http://www.64k.it/andres/data/a/AutoMKV095beta13.exe

BHH

[Aylwin]

i suppose it's a overlay issue

try using as input a d2v file
Strange. Downloaded b13, tried a d2v file from the temp folder, and it worked. Then tried an ifo and it works. Other files work now too. Not sure how it got fixed but as long as it's fixed. :)

Minor request: When video is playing in the Preview window, the Accept, Cancel and Preview Resized buttons don't work until you first press Pause. So, could pressing those buttons also automatically pause the video? This saves a few clicks and a few seconds to think why the buttons don't work. :)

[delacroixp]

...any chance of zoom-in being adding to the Cropping preview? There are presently no video-playing utilities I am aware of which permit a user to zoom up to the pixel level in native 1:1 PAR (very important for determining exactly how many columns are "bad" in a typical 3:2 ratio 720x480 NTSC DVD or 4:3 768x576 PAL DVD).

Taking a screenclip in VLC Media Player isn't ideal because you'd be taking a snapshot of the anamorphically stretched picture, not the 1:1 PAR. Using the autocrop isn't ideal because it shaves off too much.
Try Media Player Classic (6.4.9.1) (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Video-Players/Media-Player-Classic-for-Win2kXP.shtml) updated Jan, 8, 2008... It takes an Anamorphic snapshot in Bitmap.
Unfortunately it wont take a snapshot of a specific frame number... usefull in comparing snapshots of 2 videos at the exact same spot.
If you place the 2 shots in a folder and run a slide show, you can pretty quickly spot the differences and notice very subtle changes in quality.
(The discovery of Pluto (http://library.thinkquest.org/28327/html/universe/solar_system/planets/pluto/exploration/discovery_of_pluto.html) was fascilitated by taking 2 photos (1-2 weeks apart) by superimposing the images to spot the difference)

Try MS Office (http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HP010017211033.aspx) Picture Manager (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zg2Sf9m2Jw) for cropping calcs... it views the image at 1:1 pixel count (full size) and includes a cropping option which shows the width/height & change in width/height.

I use a 4 point plan (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1075130#post1075130) as a general guide.


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Pascal

[red5goahead]

is it possible to set an mkv file as input and encode it as avi/xvid.
I tried a 720p mkv/x264/ac3 audio file but seem do not work.
Automkv seem "computing and anlysize movi" but seem freeze.

edit: seems work with ffmpegsource option. but is not the default. and it's very slow 1.0 fps for
this step (check interlace?)
avis [info]: 32x32 @ 23.98 fps (1245 frames)
x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1
x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX MMXEXT SSE SSE
mp4 [info]: initial delay 0 (scale 24000)
encoded frames: 323/1245 (25.9%), 1.11 fps, eta 0:13:49

ps: graphedit start mkv file with coreavc+mpa decoder. why without ffmpegsouce do not work?


14:09:41 0.95 beta 13 - - - - - - - - - - - - - START JOBS - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
14:09:41 Selected Input file: E:\Media\SerieTV\prison.break.309.720p.hdtv.x264-hdq.mkv
14:09:41 Selected Output dir: E:\videorecorded\encode\temp\
14:09:41 Selected Final Name: prison.break.309.720p.hdtv.x264-hdq
14:09:41 Selected Container type: AVI
14:09:41 Selected Encoder: XviD
14:09:41 Selected Size: 1/2 CD / 1
14:09:41 Selected Profile: 2_Pass_Balanced.xml
14:09:41 Selected Resizer: LanczosResize / 720
14:09:41 Selected Filters: NONE
14:09:41 Selected Deinterlacer: AUTO
14:09:41 Selected Field Order: AUTO
14:09:41 Using Matrix: Sharktooth's EQM v3LR.cqm
14:09:41 Using Queue: queue0.ini of 1 works
14:09:41 Track Language 1: prison.break.309.720p.hdtv.x264-hdq.mkv
14:09:41 Audio Codec 1: Lame
14:09:41 Audio Quality 1: 112
14:09:41 Audio Channel 1: Stereo
14:09:41 Track Language 2: NONE
14:09:41 Audio Codec 2: Lame
14:09:41 Advanced Audio Settings DUMP Track 1
14:09:41 Nero Option Profiles: AUTO --- Encoding Mode: Quality
14:09:41 CCT Option Profiles: AUTO --- Channel Options: AUTO
14:09:41 Lame Settings: ABR
14:09:41 Audio Normalization: 1
14:09:41 Frequency: AUTO --- Tempo: NONE --- Pitch: NONE --- Other Add:
14:09:41

[buzzqw]

@Aylwin
not a big problem.. but usually users press cancel or accept AFTER looking and playing with crops.. not while playing

@red5goahead

not related to beta thread ... anyway i can "share" my experience

1) usually movie already encoded are progressive (25 or 23.976 progressive) so no need to deitnerlace or test deinterlace

2) install a splitter able to handle mkv like haali media splitter

3) no dubius origin file.. sorry

BHH

[red5goahead]

@red5goahead
not related to beta thread ... anyway i can "share" my experience
1) usually movie already encoded are progressive (25 or 23.976 progressive) so no need to deitnerlace or test deinterlace
2) install a splitter able to handle mkv like haali media splitter
3) no dubius origin file.. sorry
BHH

ok. for first suggest. correct.

That mkv file work with graphedit.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5060/80301206lw5.th.png (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=80301206lw5.png)

Haali media splitter is installer and work fine. My Media Portal media center use anytime haaali media splitter.

[buzzqw]

maybe coreavc isn't a good deal for using with directshowsource ?.. try disabling it and use ffdshow

moreover, pay attention to your input file and forum rules

and your problem isn't related to beta testing... sorry

BHH

[ShadowVlican]

Try Media Player Classic (6.4.9.1) (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Video-Players/Media-Player-Classic-for-Win2kXP.shtml) updated Jan, 8, 2008... It takes an Anamorphic snapshot in Bitmap.
Unfortunately it wont take a snapshot of a specific frame number... usefull in comparing snapshots of 2 videos at the exact same spot.
If you place the 2 shots in a folder and run a slide show, you can pretty quickly spot the differences and notice very subtle changes in quality.
(The discovery of Pluto (http://library.thinkquest.org/28327/html/universe/solar_system/planets/pluto/exploration/discovery_of_pluto.html) was fascilitated by taking 2 photos (1-2 weeks apart) by superimposing the images to spot the difference)

Try MS Office (http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HP010017211033.aspx) Picture Manager (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zg2Sf9m2Jw) for cropping calcs... it views the image at 1:1 pixel count (full size) and includes a cropping option which shows the width/height & change in width/height.

I use a 4 point plan (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1075130#post1075130) as a general guide.


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Pascal
in MPC, you can "ctrl + g" to jump to a specific frame then press "F5" to save a BMP

[delacroixp]

in MPC, you can "ctrl + g" to jump to a specific frame then press "F5" to save a BMP
Awesome... gtk !!!

:thanks: much !!


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Pascal

[kapucin]

Thanks for the reply buzzqw

Things are better. I checked "specify quality" box, left at default (75), the quality is much better now, the size is around the original clip. I keep the output size to 1 CD

Wondering what's the relation of output size and quality settings? In my original test I set the size to 20 GigaBytes but the quality was really bad...

There seems to be several options in regards to size:
Manual crop & resize
Force ITU resize
Force Mux W*H
Could you please explain what's the relation between them or maybe point me where I should look for the info?

Those maybe stupid questions, but after several days of digging, it feels I'm more lost now.

[buzzqw]

@kapucin
Wondering what's the relation of output size and quality settings? In my original test I set the size to 20 GigaBytes but the quality was really bad...

it's near impossible to predict size while encoding in quality (crf) mode

just know that a good crf values float around 22 - 18, and the minor value mean more quality
The %specify quality% will do a crf encoding based on this formula
X264 CRF Value for Quality Encoding = 40-(%quality_percent%/4)

There seems to be several options in regards to size:
Manual crop & resize
if you use manual crop and resize you must select values of crop and width/height. On Main panel you can select only the resizer to use
Force ITU resize
apply the ITU formula for computing correct height (due to width)
Force Mux W*H
This option is only avaiable if you select MKV as container. Using this option you set the display width and height that container pass to player. These values aren't correlated to original width and height.

but sorry pal but these question are OFF TOPIC here.

I will remember to ALL that this thread is for testing the new beta. Not for discussing about CINEMA, irrelevant questions about usage, direct show filters problems, what program to check crop and whatever.

thanks for your support.

BHH

[AMED]

Is there any chance we could get a check box on the Advanced Profiles editing tab that allows all of the popup windows to start forcefully minimised. So that when you are playing a movie and encoding a movie in the background it stops it jumping out of full screen when the compression test starts etc.

also one more request, is there any chance of getting a minimise to tray button added.

[buzzqw]

Is there any chance we could get a check box on the Advanced Profiles editing tab that allows all of the popup windows to start forcefully minimised. So that when you are playing a movie and encoding a movie in the background it stops it jumping out of full screen when the compression test starts etc.

No. but i will constantly try to minimized all process

please signal what process you want minimed and i will check. But i cannot guarantee

Btw a solution is possible: run all process HIDDEN, not minimized. But i dislike this way

also one more request, is there any chance of getting a minimise to tray button added.

maybe :)

BHH

[zacoz]

Btw a solution is possible: run all process HIDDEN, not minimized. But i dislike this way

Me too ... :devil: I find so long as they don't steal focus, which I haven't noticed them doing lately, I'd rather not have them hidden.