Anyone processed "Simpsons:The Movie" ?

[hallway]

At another forum, someone said there's a "bad" main title included on this DVD, "Title 2", for what it's worth, and that it "is a trap with messed up audio and sections in black and white (stalled video)".

When I play it in WMP, it plays Title 1. If I double-click, for example, Chapter 5, Title 2, it jumps to Chapter 1, Title 1. It does the same for other chapters on title 2.

When I run DVDRB on this disc, it selects VTS 2 as the movie. No mention or reference to VTS 1... In DVD Shrink, (2) "Main Titles" do show up, 1 and 2. It gets even more interesting when looking at it in VOBBlanker. VTS_01_*.VOB is 234 KB in size; VTS_02_*.VOB is 5924 MB in size. On the PGC section, # 1 shows to be 15 sec long; # 2 has (2) PGCs, the 1st one 1h26m and the 2nd one 1h41m.

Is this just some trickery done to confuse or mess up people's attempts at backing it up ? I see the same thing when ripped with DVDFab 4.0.2.0 beta or AnyDVD.

Before I spend 3-4 hours re-encoding this, and even then not know 'til we sit down and watch it, I'd rather ask and found out what's going on.

[mc2man]

It actually looks like this is either an aborted implementation of a protection or a half-hearted speed bump. The trend recently for the majors (new line aside) has been to use no protection or like Disney, older (cheaper?) protections. The recent Disney's protection is very similar to the first protection to defeat dvdd's built-in psl2. Sony, Fox, ect. haven't been bothering at all. You can probably clean this up any number of simple ways

[setarip_old]

Hi!

I don't have this DVD presently but, I've noted that it's a 2oth Century Fox release - and to-date, Fox has not used any special copy protection (only "standard" CSS and Macrovision) on any DVD.Before I spend 3-4 hours re-encoding thisWhy not just spend the 10-15 minutes to rip it to your hard drive and see if the rip plays properly?

Also, does it have an option for ANY type of alternate version - such as "extended/director's cut version", multi-angle, widescreen and fullscreen, etc. ?

[setarip_old]

@mc2man

Hi!Sony, Fox, ect. haven't been bothering at all.SONY continues to apply its "ARccOS" copy protection to DVDs on many, but not all, of its releases. SONY has, however, apparently totally excluded its "SONY Classics" from "ARccOS" copy protection...

[mc2man]

I haven't seen a sony release with "ARccOS" since last spring with the exception of spiderman3 R2 only. I wouldn't be surprised if they continue using it for certain R2 titles.
Would be interested in sony "ARccOS" releases of last 6 months or so. (R1 in particular)

[blutach]

Title 2 is a legit title. It is for the director's commentary (you need to select this via the audio menu) and if anyone actually bothers to play it, there's 2 or 3 sections where they say "hey, let's hold that thought a minute" and they tell you about the development of the scene. During this time, the scene fades to B&W. At the end of the B&W, they say, "let's start up again".

Anyone not interested in this sorta stuff can safely blank title 2.

2 things:

This has absolutely nothing to do with DVD Rebuilder (http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/). BTW: Like all such programs, it will select the longest title as the "main movie". In this case, the longest title isn't the movie.
I really wish people would stop wetting their pants about new protection schemes. The nervous Nellies and Henny Pennies just abound and even proliferate - guys, the sky is NOT falling in! Ask yourselves, is there anything around that can't be decrypted? Since it is a TCF disc, I'd bet it can be decrypted using DVD Decrypter or DVD Shrink.
The only other even remotely interesting thing about this DVD (other than the content) was (at least on R4), there are 3 angles where the "ad" for American Idol crawls on the bottom of the screen for about 15 seconds - in English, French and Spanish. Yet, there is absolutely no way to display the other languages since the commands dictate that angle 1 must be played (perhaps in French and Spanish speaking countries angles 2 and 3 are authored in). English readers can delete angles 2 and 3.

Thread transferred to ... Decrypting, I guess.

Regards

[hallway]

Why not just spend the 10-15 minutes to rip it to your hard drive and see if the rip plays properly? Title 1 is what plays and it plays fine. DVDRB is selecting Title 2 though. Also, does it have an option for ANY type of alternate version - such as "extended/director's cut version", multi-angle, widescreen and fullscreen, etc. ? No, it doesn't appear to.

[hallway]

Title 2 is a legit title. It is for the director's commentary Please read my post again. Never mind, I'll repeat it: Title 2 is what DVDRB selects as the main movie. You're saying it's for the director's commentary. I do NOT want that version. Anyone not interested in this sorta stuff can safely blank title 2. And then I'll have no movie to watch....
This has absolutely nothing to do with DVD Rebuilder. BTW: Like all such programs, it will select the longest title as the "main movie". In this case, the longest title isn't the movie. I didn't ask how to decrypt it, I asked how to deal with it with DVDRB.

[setarip_old]

@hallway

(Despite your statement to the contrary, it appears that "blutach" has indicated that my speculation regarding some form of "alternate version" in VTS2 and some form of multi-angles is correct)

I don't use DVD Rebuilder but, I presume you can manually change the selection (I guess you selected "movie only") from VTS2 to VTS1...

[hallway]

I don't use DVD Rebuilder but, I presume you can manually change the selection (I guess you selected "movie only") from VTS2 to VTS1... No, I can't. VTS1 does NOT show up in DVDRB at all. I am in "Full movie" or "Full disc" mode (can't recall the exact wording but it's not "Movie only").

[blutach]

@hallway

You sure title 1 is in a separate VTS to title 2? That would be grossly inefficient and contrary to your observations in post 1, which show VTS 1 to be a nothing (or a warning) and VTS 2 to have the main movie as well as the extended director's commentary version.

What is obviously happening here is that VTS 2 contains shared/reused cells (including the angles) - open the DVD in PgcEdit (http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/index.html) and see; most of the VCIDs, timings and sector points will be the same in each title. Please do not confuse title numbers with VTS numbers. I can have title 99 in VTS 1, if I like.

As before, simply blank the extra cells in title 2, or even easier, use DVD Shrink in reauthor mode with no compression to get title 1 (you will most likely need to turn off combine shared titles).

And then I'll have no movie to watch....
If you blanked title 2 in VobBlanker, it would not blank the cells in title 1. They simply wouldn't become reused cells anymore. Try it - VobBlanker creates backup files if things go awry.

Title 1 is what plays and it plays fine. DVDRB is selecting Title 2 though.
Like I said before, DVDRB will select title 2 as the main movie as it is the longest title. I'll transfer this back to DVDRB on the basis that jdobbs might have some comment or he might want to implement a "selective movie only" feature.

@setarip - there is no explicit "director's cut" but if you select directors' commentary from the audio menu (there's 2 or 3 choices IIRC), title 2 plays.

Regards

[hallway]

I will post screenshots from VOBblanker. Note that I'm only LOOKING at it in this program, not processing it in any way.

[Mike89]

I'm glad I read this thread. I just got this movie yesterday and ripped movie only with RipIt4Me. I haven't watched it yet but went back (after I read this thread) and do see it chose Title 2 to rip. I have to pay more attention to what's in that box in RipIt4Me (where it shows which title is being ripped) as I have missed that before. I'm ripping it again now choosing Full Disk and then choosing Title 1 in DVD Shrink.

I have a question that maybe will be answered without me having to view the first disk I made (Title 2). With that disk I had taken out the two Director's Cut sound options in DVD Shrink (the two didn't actually say Directors Cut but that's what they were, it's a nice feature of DVD Shrink to be able to listen to them on the fly). Being I did that, is that Title two going to play without that stuff going on that Blutach mentioned (the stop right here, black and white, start again stuff)?

[Mike89]

I'll answer my own question. Just shortly viewed the "Title 2" disk and sure enough at the first place (in the church), the movie stops, turns black and white and then just sits there for a few (with no audio since I had taken that out). Title 2 goes in the trash and Title 1 takes it's place.

I did notice one little issue with the Title 1 (movie only) burn. During the movie there is one spot where a little ad rolls across the bottom of the screen saying something about viewing the TV episodes on FOX (seems they just couldn't help themselves putting that in). It only happens that one time. Is there a way to get rid of that one minor annoyance?

[hallway]

I'd really like to have the "extras" but at this point, I might just re-sort to using Shrink in re-author mode and select Title1 only.

Still curious why DVDRB doesn't even see VTS 1. Anything I can do to help "investigate" ?

[dialysis1]

You can try blanking the last 15 min. with VobBlanker. It's nothing but stills that fade to black and white with the first 15 min. of audio.

[hallway]

Here are some screenshots

[blutach]

I did notice one little issue with the Title 1 (movie only) burn. During the movie there is one spot where a little ad rolls across the bottom of the screen saying something about viewing the TV episodes on FOX (seems they just couldn't help themselves putting that in). It only happens that one time. Is there a way to get rid of that one minor annoyance?
It's on the flick - it's supposed to be funny.

Still curious why DVDRB doesn't even see VTS 1Because it is a nothing - 234kB and is less than the DVDRB minimum. Change your hidden setting in the INI file if you wanna see all VTSs.
vts_min_size=1Remember folks, titles 1 and 2 share the same cells (in VTS 2). Removing the B&W cells in title 2 and selecting the first audio stream will make it mimic title 1.

Regards

[hallway]

Remember folks, titles 1 and 2 share the same cells (in VTS 2). Removing the B&W cells in title 2 and selecting the first audio stream will make it mimic title 1. Sorry, but you lost me there....

The family wants to watch this tonight so I'm doing the movie only via DVD Shrink. After selecting Title1 only, no sub-titles, and AC3-English only, no re-encoding is needed. I still want the full disc later though.

[blutach]

A domain in a VTS is comprised of a number of cells. Combine some or all of these cells together in a Program Chain, which is usually a title (in the titles domain). There can be more than one Program Chain in each VTS.

Now, suppose I have cells 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 to simplfy things.

Title 1 might be cells 1, 3 and 4
Title 2 might be cells 1, 2, 3 and 5

As you can see cells 1 and 3 are used in both titles. 2 titles occupy the same VTS, sharing some cells. This is what is happening here. Title 1 is the theatrical version, title 2 has the extra cells in the directors commentary version (and is the longest).

Hope you are now found.

Regards

[iguana69347]

All these posts may have been very informative to the seasoned pro at copying DVDs with various programs but were totally confusing to me. What is the bottom line in what I have to do to back up this movie correctly. I am using the latest version of DVDFab Hd Decrypter. I also have Shrink, RipIt4Me, and AnyDVD.
When I copied it, the movie would lock up but the sound kept going. I don't think it was the proper audio for that part of the movie though. I have a co-worker that had the exact same problem that I experienced.

[jdobbs]

Here's what I did to make a full backup:

1. I used AnyDVD.
2. I inserted the disc in my drive and put a blank in another.
3. I loaded DVD-RB and pressed "Backup".