Ratatouille back up or rebuild ?

[rapscallion]

Ratatouille, movie only, rip requires 81% compression via Shrink.

Is using Shrink sufficient for an animated feature in this case or will I get better results using DVDRB ? Thanks

[Fishman0919]

For me.... encoder always look better then transcoder

[setarip_old]

@rapscallion

Hi!

In this instance, I believe you'll find the results from using DVD Shrink (especially if you apply "AEC") to be perfectly acceptable...

[jdobbs]

I personally never use within-the-compressed-domain transcoding. Even if you don't see it clearly on your television or with your setup -- the difference is still there.

[rayvt]

And what's the point?
It only takes a couple of hours to run it thru DVD-RB. And you can run it at low priority so that it doesn't even slow down your web-surfing or whatever. IMHO, the time it takes to look at a movie in Shrink and decide what to do is just wasted time.

[rapscallion]

Thanks for the responses guys. I felt that this compression level was on the borderline.
Also, I thought I had read in a post by you jdobbs that animated movies actually came out a little better
transcoded if the compression levlel was in the ~80% range.
Now, that may have been a couple of years ago and, of course, DVDRB has come a long way since then.
So, I'll definitely go the dvdrb route.

[jdobbs]

Hmmm... I don't remember ever saying anything like that. But I've certainly said dumber things in my life.

[ron spencer]

it is all relative...81% of what?

for example, my daughter's Stawberry Shortcake DVDs can be DVDShrinked at 83%....but movie is only 45 mins long and bitrate is 9000.....so you get awesome quality at 83%....DVD Rebuilder is a waste of time and effort when the situation is like this. So you need to dig deeper. If the movie is 90 mins and DVDShrink is 81%, then DVD Rebuilder is probably better.

Just take a min or two to think through it.

[linx05]

As some people say, you may think the DVD looks great when compressed with DVD Shrink, but others will not.

The difference will always be there. DVD Rebuilder is never a waste of time and effort when you want a good quality DVD collection on SL.

[jdobbs]

I can't even begin to count the number of times that I've heard someone say "within-the-compressed domain transcoding on some sources looks just as good" -- then when they move to a new setup like a large screen, connection via component or HDMI, or a move from CRT technology to LCD, and suddenly their collection turns into a pixelated mess...

A lot of the resulting error can get masked when you have a screen that is slightly blurry, are using composite or SVIDEO connections, or are running through RF... or a hundred other reasons.

But, as I've said many times before, to each his/her own. But I personally would never go that route -- and that decision was made before DVD-RB was ever developed. I used to use the big-3 or similar methods back in the day.

[blutach]

I'm hestitant to contribute to what is turning into a rule 12-style debate, but just want to add a few things.

@ron spencer - it is the combo between the source material's quality, bitrate and quant that ultimately determines "quality". Compression % in itself is meaningless if the resultant BR is "high" and quant is acceptable.

Having said that, IMHO, rayvt said it best (with jdobbs second by a nose).

Regards

[ron spencer]

It is just common sense to me...on my 50" plasma...I know what I can do with DVDShrink and what I cannot. I am not a pixel peeper or zoom in guy on the unit; if you are then you should be going the HD or Blue Ray route anyway. I just don't waste my time thinking too much about this sort of thing as I know what looks good....I'd rather be outside.


In the end...who cares? That is, if you still have the original right ;-)

[jdobbs]

Outside? There's an outside? :eek: I always thought that was fiction -- you know, interesting but not real... kinda' like "The Matrix".

[Fishman0919]

Outside? There's an outside? :eek: I always thought that was fiction -- you know, interesting but not real... kinda' like "The Matrix".

ROFL.... :D... I think it's that place where they keep the Sun, clouds and stuff. Well, so I've heard.