Putting DRM on MP4 video

[beyondthegrave]

Is there a service somewhere that will put DRM onto MP4 video files?

Thanks for any help you can offer.

[Sharktooth]

... DRM is the source of evil ...

[setarip_old]

@beyondthegrave

Hi!

If you take a few moments to read some of the thread titles and postings in the threads in the "Decrypting" sub-forum here, you'll understand that many of the members here believe that they/we are entitled to make backup copies of purchased commercial media.

As such, there are many postings describing methods/efforts to overcome any and all copy protection schemes, including DRMs.

Therefore, I'd suggest to you that the Doom9 Forum is not the appropriate place to seek assistance regarding ADDING copy protection to media...

[bond]

evil!!!

moved

[Wilbert]

Therefore, I'd suggest to you that the Doom9 Forum is not the appropriate place to seek assistance regarding ADDING copy protection to media...
Sure many of us don't like DRM, but that is no reason not to ask about it. I'm not aware of anything that puts DRM on MP4 though.

[Kurtnoise]

Sure many of us don't like DRM, but that is no reason not to ask about it.
Agreed...:)


About MP4 and DRM, have a look at MP4Box from GPAC framework. It supports ISMACryp and OMA (http://gpac.sourceforge.net/doc_ismacryp.php).

[setarip_old]

You folks might want to read the posts in the "Decrypting" sub-forum regarding similar earlier requests by "Junior73Italy" and the subsequent commercial DVD protection scheme that showed up a couple of months ago...

[Kurtnoise]

whatever...the question asked by beyondthegrave doesn't rely to commercial DVD protection scheme. So, why not after all.

[Dark Shikari]

whatever...the question asked by beyondthegrave doesn't rely to commercial DVD protection scheme. So, why not after all.The point being that since Doom9 is opposed to DRM, why should Doom9 help people create DRM? It would be like the Sierra Club assisting a lumber company in chopping down forests.

[kumi]

Um. If Doom9 doesn't want to help beyondthegrave with his DRM problems, he doesn't have to participate in this thread... Everyone else is free to discuss anything that is legal and not against the forum rules. DRM falls into that category.

[Dark Shikari]

Um. If Doom9 doesn't want to help beyondthegrave with his DRM problems, he doesn't have to participate in this thread... Everyone else is free to discuss anything that is legal and not against the forum rules. DRM falls into that category.I'm discussing Doom9 as a whole, not as a particular person.

This exact issue has been encountered before, which is what Setarip is talking about...

[Sharktooth]

DRM is all against the Doom9 (as a website, forum and community) existence reasons.
i cant see why ppl of this community should help other ppl implementing DRM in digital media.

[kumi]

That's nonsense. DRM is not "against Doom9". DRM encompasses a vast array of technologies and methods. Some of them are put to nefarious use (Fair Use violations), and some of them are not (enterprise DRM). Who's to say the OP doesn't have a legitimate, morally acceptable need for DRM'ing MP4 files?

[foxyshadis]

Stop the trolling, this thread isn't a discussion on the merits of DRM and if someone wants to post a way to crack beyondthegrave's encryption later, they're welcome to it.

Basically ISMACrypt and Fairplay are the only available mp4 encryptions, unless you want to make your own; the former isn't a full service and the latter is obviously only available to Apple. Just using RTMP streaming might be somewhat secure enough.

[beyondthegrave]

I need this for a client's new business. They're offering subscriptions to access training videos for staff that come in year-to-year (it's a type of business that has lots of new staff coming in to replace old staff). So it's vital that the company isn't able to easily just download the videos and show them to the new staff every year without paying for the rights to. People buy "access" to the videos, and for a period of time, not permanently, so I don't see a problem with DRM in this case.

I don't think this is one of the evil uses of DRM that music companies put on their music.

I'm already looking into the streaming idea, but we'd also like to make the videos available in DRM'd MP4 so people can view them on their iPods.

Thanks foxyshadis.

[beyondthegrave]

So if ISMAcrypt isn't a full service, then there's really no way to secure my MP4s? Otherwise, is there another video format on iPods that can be secured?

I'll need to secure audio as well. Are there MP3 DRM services?

Thanks for any info you can offer.

Btw, I too disagree with DRM when buying music. I got bit by it once when I just wanted to put my CD music on my MP3 player. Who carries a CD player around?

[zambelli]

I find it entertaining that a person asking for help adding DRM is given a harder time than a person asking for help ripping discs he got from Netflix. :)

To answer the OP's question: the "accepted" DRM standard for MP4 files is OMA-DRM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMA_DRM). You can wrap MP3-encoded bitstreams into MP4 wrappers if you need to DRM them.

Also, Microsoft's next version of DRM - named PlayReady (http://www.microsoft.com/PlayReady/Default.mspx) - is going to be format agnostic.

[Kurtnoise]

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Also, Microsoft's next version of DRM - named PlayReady (http://www.microsoft.com/PlayReady/Default.mspx) - is going to be format agnostic.
I don't understand why you speak about this here...hum, yes you work for Microsoft. That could explain the why. :rolleyes:

to continue on the OT, why not speaking about Vorbis-DRM (http://www.sidespace.com/products/medias/) stuff also ? :D :helpful:

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@beyondthegrave: did you try what I said ?

[beyondthegrave]

@kurtnoise13
I actually missed that line with the ISMAcrypt/OMA link; it was so close to the signature that I glanced past it.

But I'm looking into it now. Thanks

[Sharktooth]

@kurtnoise&zambelli: i dont think vorbis-drm is supported by ipods... as well as playready.
i even doubt ipods support drm schemes other than the apple's own...

[setarip_old]

@zambelli

Hi!I find it entertaining that a person asking for help adding DRM is given a harder time than a person asking for help ripping discs he got from Netflix.Your statement is grossly inaccurate.

If you're referring to posts in which someone openly states he/she is seeking assistance regarding a rented DVD, you'll find that such posts are almost always met by either a member quoting "Rule #6" to the poster and/or "silently" reporting the post to the moderators, or a moderator taking note directly - all of which result in the offending thread being closed.

[zambelli]

@zambelli
Hi![COLOR="darkred"]Your statement is grossly inaccurate.
Relax. I know the rules. I said "given a harder time" and I was talking about user comments - Sharktooth's and Bond's in particular - not about the enforcing of rules. My point was this:

Let's not be hypocritical. This is a technical forum. Technical questions should get technical answers. If nobody needs to explain WHY they're ripping a DVD, then nobody should need to explain why they're using DRM either.

I don't understand why you speak about this here...hum, yes you work for Microsoft. That could explain the why.
...or how about "because it's related to the OP's question"? Shame or me for trying to provide an on-topic answer.

[setarip_old]

Relax. I know the rules. I said "given a harder time" and I was talking about user commentsI am quite relaxed ;>}

If, as you now say, you were referring ONLY to member comments, as opposed to all avenues of member communication, you should have said so, as that conveys an entirely different message.Let's not be hypocritical... If nobody needs to explain WHY they're ripping a DVD, then nobody should need to explain why they're using DRM either.As you know, the first line in the banner for the Doom9 Forum is "Welcome to Doom9's Forum, THE in-place to be for everyone interested in DVD conversion.". I would suggest to you that, as I stated in my initial post to this thread, when it comes to protection/encryption/DRMs, etc., the overwhelmingly stated interest of the members is regarding how to eliminate such schemes from their purchased media, so as to enable making a personal backup copy(This is the UNDERSTOOD "why" of ripping a DVD) - and not how to prevent people from making backup copies of their purchased media. Keeping this in mind, I am hardpressed to seeing any hypocrisy in any of the negative-leaning posts to this thread (Although I agree, some are rather harshly worded).

As an aside, I can understand the observation ,made by "Kurtnoise13". Surely, you too understand that with Microsoft being a leader in the application of DRMs, the fact that you are apparently a Microsoft employee...

[zambelli]

Keeping this in mind, I am hardpressed to seeing any hypocrisy in any of the negative-leaning posts to this thread (Although I agree, some are rather harshly worded).
And I'm hardpressed to see how it's NOT hypocritical to flame a guy before he even explained the context and justification for asking about DRM application.
As an aside, I can understand the observation ,made by "Kurtnoise13". Surely, you too understand that with Microsoft being a leader in the application of DRMs, the fact that you are apparently a Microsoft employee... [/Color]
...would suggest what exactly?
I don't care if somebody chooses WM DRM, Vorbis DRM, OMA DRM or no DRM whatsoever. I simply mentioned what I know about OMA and MS DRM (which is actually little, other than that they exist).

[setarip_old]

What say we just agree to disagree?

[Wilbert]

I thought foxyshadis asked all of you to:

Stop the trolling, this thread isn't a discussion on the merits of DRM and if someone wants to post a way to crack beyondthegrave's encryption later, they're welcome to it.

Please stay on topic.

[Randi]

didn't the guy who did DeCSS and also was able to free Apples m4a files of their DRM, also offer to encrypt files according to Apples Fair Play?

[Kurtnoise]

That reminds me something : http://sourceforge.net/projects/openipmp

not tested though...

[beyondthegrave]

So if I use a DRM solution like OpenIPMP to protect my MP4 files, then all media players will adhere to the protection?

[CruNcher]

So if I use a DRM solution like OpenIPMP to protect my MP4 files, then all media players will adhere to the protection?

In what for a IT world you are living in :D (i want to live in the same please :))

[beyondthegrave]

In what for a IT world you are living in :D (i want to live in the same please :))
I guess that's the sarcastic way to say 'no'.
I need to at least DRM my MP4 videos for the iPod Video. Is that possible, or does the iPod only use Apple's DRM?
And if so, is it possible to get my MP4s Apple-DRM'd?