VdubMod 1.5.10.2 (build 2542) and Matroska file import bug

[trodas]

Trying to import a 4,8G big mkv file with two audio streams I know of and probably at least two another subtitles streams and up this way:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/941/matroskafileimputbugcx6.jpg

VdubMod 1.5.10.2 (build 2542) and Matroska file import bug.

The calculation is simply neverending. The consumed memory by this grow, till it fill my 2G ram + 200MB swap and then it seems to "restart" somewhat and start again from about 1,3G or ram usage and work it's way up.
Also on reasonably fast 320G drive and almost 3Ghz Opty 148 it took like 15min or so :-O Terrible bug.

Now I, damn, need to find something that let me work with this mkv file... damn, cursed bug :(

[burfadel]

Unfortunately it probably won't be fixed either. Virtualdubmod is no longer updated - it would require a reworking of all the patches to make them compatible with vdub 1.7x

[trodas]

so I should use Vdub 1.7 and it will work for me?

[burfadel]

Actually yeah, if you're using the programme manually, and not importing any Mpeg2 stuff etc., then that latest version would be the best bet!

There's 3 'lines' of Virtualdub:
Currently updated:
Virtualdub --> 1.7.6 (official)
Virtualdub Mpeg-2 --> 1.6.19 (patched, adds mpeg-2 support)

No longer updated:
Virtualdubmod --> 1.5.10.2 (older version of the mpeg-2 support found in Virtualdub Mpeg-2 + other patches)

[trodas]

There is one, or two problems, tough. First at all, I can't get the Mkv file into the Virtual Dub.
(and as I already mentioned, some big files with dual audio and 3 subtitles are problem for the Virtual Dub Mod too...)

How can I get Mkv file into Virtual Dub? Is there a imput plugin for it?

And the second problem, there is NO SIGN of the Streams/Streams list - extremly important Virtual Dub Mod function. I hope I was just blind, because I can't imagine how that is not be into the Virtual Dub orginal...???

If the function is not there (?!?!), then what good this program is for my use to tweak/remove some (more) of the streams?

[Placio74]

...
How can I get Mkv file into Virtual Dub? Is there a imput plugin for it? ...
Unfortunately, VD can't handle MKV (directly) and not exist API plugin (yet).

... And the second problem, there is NO SIGN of the Streams/Streams list - extremly important Virtual Dub Mod function. I hope I was just blind, because I can't imagine how that is not be into the Virtual Dub orginal...???
...
Not in stable 1.7.6 version. Handle only first audio stream.

Not exactly (as VDM), but latest 1.7.x test version can handle more audio streams and can change it (Source audio).

... If the function is not there (?!?!), then what good this program is for my use to tweak/remove some (more) of the streams?
Ehm... AVI-Mux GUI and MKVtoolnix.

[trodas]

Unfortunately, VD can't handle MKV (directly) and not exist API plugin (yet).

Well, then it is kinda useless for me, damn. Anyone is considering adding the imput plugin for Mkv for Virtual Dub?

Not in stable 1.7.6 version. Handle only first audio stream.
Not exactly (as VDM), but latest 1.7.x test version can handle more audio streams and can change it (Source audio).

Well, that's another bad news. Good thing is that I'm not blind. Bad is, that that make Virtual Dub the more useless to me, as I need to get RID of these streams, so... I need to edit them, like in Vdub Mod. Why that crucial feature is not present in Virtual Dub anyway?
That make me absolutely shocked, o say at least.

Ehm... AVI-Mux GUI and MKVtoolnix.

AVI-Mux GUI crashed for me on other (japs anime mkv) file, so I somewhat lost the confidence for it and the MKVtoolnix looking like it need plenty of stuff to even run on my poor winblows... So neither chance is looking good to me.

AVI-Mux GUI v1.17.7 is admited to "crash on Matroska files with segment tags", so I was worried...

...but given the sad lack of options, I give it a try and quess what. It worked for me well. Hoooray!

Now I just wonder, why the Virtual Dub does not feature the few Vdub Mod features - and then we need only one program?!

Also I'm wondering a bit, why there is no Mkv plugin for Virtual Dub, but as seen the lack of work with any streams inside containers (MAJOR DRAWBACK!), it starting to make sense for me. Eg. maybe the Virtual Dub first need to be capable of the streams edition and THEN it will make sense writing a Mkv plugin...

What do you think?

[Placio74]

At this moment elementary tool to mux and remux MKV's is MKVtoolnix.
You try?

VirtualDub not contain features from VDM, because... VDM based on VD. VDM is other, modded version.

VDM not support many features of MKV and not support AVC video stream.

[trodas]

Well, but what is the requirments of the MKVtoolnix? On the MKV page there is crazy amount of stuff mentioned that is need to install and that is a big no-no for me.

Hence I prefer Vdub Mod. Only it does not work with the BIG files, so...

And yea, I know that VDM is modded version, hoever it is a open source as well and these mods should be already added to the Virtual Dub - long time ago, to be frank.
The lack of any streams support is particulary alarming.

And yes, I say it - VDM is not perfect - far from it. That is why Virtual Dub need to take up the sources and... implement them. The file imput plugin is a beautifull thing and a good start :D

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Avery Lee, the author of VirtualDub, obviously doesn't want to mess around with anything else than AVI and MPEG-1! Adding support for more formats also means having to maintain more code. Simply adding some patches isn't the whole thing: You also need to keep everything up-to-date and working! And that's the real pain in software development! Also Avery Lee once added ASF/WMV support to the original VirtualDub, but he was forced to remove that by Micro$oft due to patenting issues. So legal issues are another reason not to add more formats to the core application... Instead of supporting various formats natively, VirtualDub now has a brand new Plugin API! This allows you to open any file format - as long as you have a suitable Plugin installed. Output is still limited to AVI, but mabye we will see an API for Output Plugins too. Who knows...

[Maccara]

Well, but what is the requirments of the MKVtoolnix? On the MKV page there is crazy amount of stuff mentioned that is need to install and that is a big no-no for me.


What needed to install? There's just one simple installer for windows here (http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/downloads.html#windows).

Works fine for me.

[foxyshadis]

The crazy amount of stuff is for compiling from the source code. In fact, it's more alarming trying to use vdubmod to mux an mkv after you've become used to the simple-to-use mmg.

[trodas]

Well, I did not want to mux anything. All I wanted is to delete the streams I did not use/like to cause primary audio are being now a english one and removing useless subtitle streams (no easy edit) and using external MicroDVD subtitles instead.
That it is. In the end, I used AVI Mux GUI for the job and sucesfully.

[foxyshadis]

Whether you're adding streams, removing them, changing containers, or just changing a few properties, it's all a process of demuxing and remuxing if it has to be rewritten, sorry if my terminology was confusing.