Blu Ray compliant AVC or VC1 encoder 1080p

[musicman2311]

Hi,
is there any tool available which allows a 1080p video file to be coverted from say .m2v to a blu ray compliant .avc or .vc1 at full resolution ?
I had tried some of the tools reported on here and whilst
I could recode with some success, the authoring tool keeps rejecting anything I created so far.

Any help is very much appreciated.

If I am in wrong forum, please help me to find the right one

thanks

[ACrowley]

Sonic Cinevision

[musicman2311]

Sonic Cinevision

thanks

[pandy]

Hi,
is there any tool available which allows a 1080p video file to be coverted from say .m2v to a blu ray compliant .avc or .vc1 at full resolution ?


For AVC ie h.264 x264 is one of the best - with proper syntax and profile selected should be 100% compatible with BR, x264 is much cheaper than Sonic - i think You save a few 10000$ ;).
At first You may use a MeGUI - which is a GUI for x264 (not only for x264).

[musicman2311]

thanks, i have been experimenting with meGui. used a profile called sa-hddvd (or so). file played fine on PC.

unfortunately - and i have no idea to find out why - i cannot use the bitstream to create a blu ray disc, authering tool says 'error'.

[ACrowley]

..... is much cheaper than Sonic - i think You save a few 10000$ ;).

Sonic Cinevison : 70.609,20 €

http://feg-online.de/sonic/cinevision/index.html

The whole Sonic Workgroup Suite :151.264,00 €


Greets

[musicman2311]

Sonic Cinevison : 70.609,20 €

http://feg-online.de/sonic/cinevision/index.html

The whole Sonic Workgroup Suite :151.264,00 €


Greets

thanks, slightly beyond my budget lol..

[Sharktooth]

musicman, to create a compliant stream with megui you would need a special x264 build with pulldown/hrd. :search: to find it along with new options explanation.

[zambelli]

The VC-1 Encoder SDK has the capability of creating HD/BD compliant VC-1 bitstreams. The question is, however, which software vendor will be the first to implement it in a product aimed at HD/BD encoding.

[pandy]

The VC-1 Encoder SDK has the capability of creating HD/BD compliant VC-1 bitstreams. The question is, however, which software vendor will be the first to implement it in a product aimed at HD/BD encoding.

my two cents... vc1 encoder is non-essential from user point of view. If user have h.264 (with prooved implementations - x264) then crippled vc1 is redundant.

[Sagittaire]

thanks, i have been experimenting with meGui. used a profile called sa-hddvd (or so). file played fine on PC.

unfortunately - and i have no idea to find out why - i cannot use the bitstream to create a blu ray disc, authering tool says 'error'.

now x264 is really close to produce perfect HDDVD/BD compliant stream ... I will make new build when all the correct patch will be here.

[Golgot13]

Hi all,

only to say "to have a true H264 compliant file is hard":
There is some muxer (professional :rolleyes:) which don't mux well H264 elementary stream.

(eg : CineVision had/have some problem with Memorytech software...).

About VC1, because PeP was alone software for VC1 so all muxer can mux well this format :mad:
Today, it's same because there is really one company which make VC1 encoder (MS with SDK or PeP version).
But for H264 it's hard because there is more than one software which can generate H264 stream.
It's strange because the developper of muxer and encoder have the same White Book specification.

Today there is one way to be sure (test on hardware and software players BD/HD
and to be on contact with muxer, software and hardware developpers).

[zambelli]

my two cents... vc1 encoder is non-essential from user point of view. If user have h.264 (with prooved implementations - x264) then crippled vc1 is redundant.
Depends who the user is. There's more to encoding than just the choice of codec - the end-to-end workflow and tools matter just as much, if not more.
It's like saying "Honda CRX is a better car than the Honda Civic, so clearly the crippled Civic is redundant"... and yet the Civic still sells quite well. :)

[Golgot13]

Hi Zambelli,

you can not compare H264 and VC1 with your example.
Appropriate car example will be (to my mind): H264 is a BMW and VC1 is a Honda ("Civic").
May be someone can give other example ( :D ) between H264 and VC1.

Honda Civic is a good car and it can not be compare with BMW (like H264 and VC1).


Zambelli do you have anynews from Ben about video or other (he doesn't post since lot of day).
I think he have lot of work (HD DVD Title for Christmas ?).
He and Amir don't answer me on AVSForum (now HD section it's closed).

[musicman2311]

Hi Zambelli,

you can not compare H264 and VC1 with your example.
Appropriate car example will be (to my mind): H264 is a BMW and VC1 is a Honda ("Civic").
May be someone can give other example ( :D ) between H264 and VC1.

Honda Civic is a good car and it can not be compare with BMW (like H264 and VC1).


Zambelli do you have anynews from Ben about video or other (he doesn't post since lot of day).
I think he have lot of work (HD DVD Title for Christmas ?).
He and Amir don't answer me on AVSForum (now HD section it's closed).


thanks all,
what I aim to do is to create blu ray discs which i can play on a blu ray player, e.g. PS3 and which use efficient coding at high def resolution - all available 'consumer' tools support
mpeg2 only - hence my quest

[zambelli]

Zambelli do you have anynews from Ben about video or other (he doesn't post since lot of day).
I think he have lot of work (HD DVD Title for Christmas ?).

He is indeed busy, but not with HD-DVD - he doesn't work on HD-DVD/BluRay encoding. Last I hear he said he still needed to edit the raw video.

[pandy]

Depends who the user is. There's more to encoding than just the choice of codec - the end-to-end workflow and tools matter just as much, if not more.
It's like saying "Honda CRX is a better car than the Honda Civic, so clearly the crippled Civic is redundant"... and yet the Civic still sells quite well. :)

Yes "Depends who the user is" is true claim but author of this feed search for inexpenssive solutions, so from his point of view probably VC1 for 10000$ is redundant if he can choose h.264 (x264) for almost free. Also i believe that politics for restriction of VC1 codec (high price, limited availbility) is good from h.264 point of view.

[PaulGo]

On AVS Ben Weggoner just stated: Does this refer to your test?
In better new, I actually got a couple of hours in on the 24p clip before I had to run off to Florida (currently stuck in the Cincinnati airport). If no new crises present, I may be done by the end of next week.

Also one thought from reading some threads on Doom9 and some other AVS threads. It seem Microsoft is reluctant to participate in these comparisons. I was trying to think as to why this might be. The most obvious answer is they have nothing to gain. VC-1 has good tools, but I was thinking about how and why it was created. It was created for lower bit rate applications, so perhaps it does not scale up to a higher bit rate as well as the latest version of AVC. So perhaps it cannot take advantage of the increased bitrate that Blu-ray has to offer.

Hi Zambelli,

you can not compare H264 and VC1 with your example.
Appropriate car example will be (to my mind): H264 is a BMW and VC1 is a Honda ("Civic").
May be someone can give other example ( :D ) between H264 and VC1.

Honda Civic is a good car and it can not be compare with BMW (like H264 and VC1).


Zambelli do you have anynews from Ben about video or other (he doesn't post since lot of day).
I think he have lot of work (HD DVD Title for Christmas ?).
He and Amir don't answer me on AVSForum (now HD section it's closed).