Menu problems in Double layer DVD's

[Dave Briggs]

Sometimes when using double layer DVD's the menu selection doesn't function in the copy. Never happens when using single layer DVD's. Again this happens occasionally and not all the time. Any ideas why?

[blutach]

Are you using Verbatim +R DL blanks?

Do the highlights work when playing the ripped project on a software player?

Regards

[Dave Briggs]

Are you using Verbatim +R DL blanks?

Do the highlights work when playing the ripped project on a software player?

Regards

No Verbatim. Have been using Memorex +R DL exclusively. Despite what some say, I get excellent results using Memorex disks. Very rarely end up with coasters.

Yes, the highlights work on software player. This problem only occurs occasionally. I thought it might be a problem with the layer break on some disks. If I rip to a DL disk and the menu highlights don't work, I can shrink the disk files to a single layer disk and they will work. I use DVDshrink and/or DVDdecripter.

[setarip_old]

Hi!

1) What is your burner brand and model number?

2) What software and procedures did you use for burning the problematic D/Ls?

[blutach]

Sorry - I'm gunna have to tell you to trash the trashy Memorex. Burn with Verbatims.

Regards

[Mug Funky]

do the originals have slow menus?

some discs have the menu part on the second layer, but refer to an IFO on the first layer. this often means veeeery slow navigation on a lot of players. putting this structure on a burnt disc could make the problems more obvious.

[Dave Briggs]

Sorry - I'm gunna have to tell you to trash the trashy Memorex. Burn with Verbatims.

Regards

I'm going to stick with my trashy Memorex disks. I have been using them for years and get extremely good results. Very, very rarely have coaster problems with either DVD+R or DVD+R DL blanks. I also have used Verbatim disks and this has happened on them too as well as other brands, so it isn't disk specific. As a matter of fact, I quit using Verbatim disks as I was getting more coasters using them than I do with Memorex and as I have said I get nearly a 99.9 percent positive results with Memorex. Guess this favorite blank media thing is just in the eye of the beholder despite what some "consumer reports" suggest.

This menu problem must have something to do with the original disk as it only occurs rarely and only when using a DL disk. Also these rare DL disk burns are totally playable and the menu items work, they just don't highlight. Never happens on a single layer disk. I use DVDdecrypter and DVD Shrink for decoding and Imagetool Burn for burning and of course have Nero in the background but never use Nero for burning. I just thought there might be some kind of setting I don't know about when using DL disks. I can live with it as it is easily overcome with shrinkage.

[setarip_old]

What is the Title and Region number of one of these problematic DL DVDs?

[blutach]

Guess this favorite blank media thing is just in the eye of the beholder despite what some "consumer reports" suggest.
No, it isn't. For example, see the tests done onImgBurn Forum (http://forum.imgburn.com/). But each to his own.

In any event, this has nothing to do with Decrypting (the HLs show on a software player after all). Transferred to DVD Burning.

Regards

[r0lZ]

What DL media are you using? +R or -R? If it's -R, switch to +Rs, as the -R technology for DLs is very "special", and can be the cause of the problem.

And I agree that using Verbatims is a good thing, as you can trust them. Memorex could have released some good discs, but also very bad ones.

Also, Mug Funky's idea is good. If the menu VOB is on the second layer and the IFO on the first layer, and your player is slow when switching layers, that kind of problem can occur. If you have PgcEdit, can you post here the output of Info -> Display PGCs list as text, so that we can verify on which layer the menu VOB resides?

[Dave Briggs]

What DL media are you using? +R or -R? If it's -R, switch to +Rs, as the -R technology for DLs is very "special", and can be the cause of the problem.
I use +R media exclusively, single layer and double layer.

And I agree that using Verbatims is a good thing, as you can trust them. Memorex could have released some good discs, but also very bad ones.I'm not arguing that you guys are wrong about the quality issue. I've read the reports and seen the charts too. What I can't understand is why, if Memorex is such poor quality, I get consistently good results using their +R media. I'm not BS'n you guys, I get nearly 99% excellent results using both SL and DL media. Am I just incredibly lucky? I find this hard to believe. Sure, maybe the odds will catch up with me an I'll get bit in the ass, but until then I will stick with what works for me.

Also, Mug Funky's idea is good. If the menu VOB is on the second layer and the IFO on the first layer, and your player is slow when switching layers, that kind of problem can occur. If you have PgcEdit, can you post here the output of Info -> Display PGCs list as text, so that we can verify on which layer the menu VOB resides?Don't have PgcEdit but this sounds like an interesting thing to check out. Remember, this menu highlight problem only occasionally happens and only with DL media. I'm nearly convinced it has something to do with the master disk. It's really not something I'm too worried about, just mildly annoying. Also, I may not have mentioned this, but when this problem occurs the menus do work, they just don't highlight.

[setarip_old]

I'm nearly convinced it has something to do with the master disk.So again, what is the Title and Region number of one of these problematic DL DVDs?

[Dave Briggs]

So again, what is the Title and Region number of one of these problematic DL DVDs?

Happened when trying to backup my copy of History Channel's "Dogfights" Vol. 1. Region 1.

[setarip_old]

Did it happen with all 5 discs or only one?

[Dave Briggs]

Did it happen with all 5 discs or only one? There are only 4 discs and I get the same result with all of them.

[setarip_old]

1) Sorry about the "5" typo

2) Since you get the same problematic result with all 4 of the set, but not with most others, I think it's fairly safe to presume that there is something in the particular structure of that set of DVDs that's the root of your problem

I use DVDdecrypter and DVD Shrink for decoding and Imagetool Burn for burning3) There's no reason to use DVD Shrink if you're making a D/L backup

4) Try using "IMGBurn" for burning

[DaChew]

to get good results from memorex with any consistency, you have to have a good player, a tolerant burner that doesn't mind some crap and live in a dream world wearing rose colored glasses. Your burns will have many marginal disks, as they age they start to develope playabilty problems, you won't be able to read back the data onto your computer, and you'll wake up from your dream.

[setarip_old]

@Dave Briggs

1) Do the burned DVDs exhibit this problematic behavior on BOTH your PC and standalone DVD player?

2) Do the ORIGINAL DVDs display the same behavior?

3) Is your standalone player a Pioneer?