----> CCE Crash. The quest continues <----

[dvd2svcd]

Hi All,

I have created a new mail account for all you unfortunate people who has the CCE Crash/Freeze. If you "subscribe" to this mailbox I will mail you things to test and suggestions on possible solutions.
However, to avoid this mailbox to be cluttered with unimportant mails, there's a few guidelines:

1. Your crash must happen when you're doing a multipass of 3 or more passes.
2. When you send the initial mail, make a bugreport from the log tab and attach only the sysinfo.txt (you might zip it, but that is not required). And in the mail also describe how you experience the crash.
3. You must be willing to give me feedbacks on the tests I request of you.
4. You must have a fairly good experience with computers. I don't have patience to explain every test in every detail.
5. The crash/freeze must be reproducible, meaning that is CCE sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't don't mail me. I have to have users where CCE fails everytime.

If the above 5 points applies to you then mail me here (ccecrash@notrace.dk)

[dvd2svcd]

Ok guys and girls, I have made a dvd2svcd 1.0.6 build 1 Pre 2 for you. So all that have had CCE crashes please download this version.

Because I want to be sure that you are using the exact same program versions that I use, I only offer the Bundle here. If you have installed an older bundle version, then just install this as usual. If you only have ever used the zip file, I suggest that you install this bundle in a new folder of your choice. The only file that will be overwritten is the avisynth.dll in your system folder.

I highly recommend that you start a completely new conversion, because as you can see in the readme file I found a bug in my internal ripping. So either use Internal or vStrip. If you use any other ripper I have to disregard your bug report, because I cannot be absolutely sure that all rippers works properly.

Now if CCE still crashes, I would like you to do this:
1. Reboot your computer
2. Start CCE manually
3. Load the ECL file
4. Hit encode, and see if CCE finishes this time.

If CCE crashes with dvd2svcd running and the above method works, it means that I still have issues to be solved (sigh).

You might wonder why I haven't solved this yet, but it's very difficult for me to debug a problem that I cannot provoke on my own computers. So I have to rely on you and your reports.

Here's the Bundle (http://212.88.77.140/DVD2SVCD_1.0.6_Setup-Build_1-Pre_2.exe)

[Cyber2010]

i was one of the people who always had a freeze. But next happend. I did put my ghostfile back on de computer, witch was a clean instal without any ripping tools etc. (i remember first time i started i installed also alot of other program's not used by dvd2svcd and did have problems installing them good, or get them working good)

Then i installed latest version of dvd2svcd and the cce program. Now 3 nights later, 3 movies are converted perfectly, no freezes at all anymore. My bitrates are high, 2531 max, 2300 av and 2000 min. Also use 5 pass. So maybe... it's not a memorie problem ( i have tried several things incl. remove banks from my mb ) but a registry problem with other programs, or with left data in the registry from older versions of the dll?... dono.. but my comp stayed the same, only clean instal, and my freeze's are gone...

Thnx for all support.

[Asahi]

I completed a 3 pass copy last night with the batch of programs you posted here.
It took 9 hours, speed = 0.736

I'm using:
P4 2Ghz
384MB RDRAM
Intel D850GB mobo
Pagefile = 576MB

I don't know if this is a bit slow as I am a newbie (any advice would be apprieciated about this) and previously I could only use 1 pass without it freezing.

[JLR2000]

First of all, just a warning...I'm a newbie. I have been trying to use DVD2SVCD for a couple of weeks now with no luck. After reading through the tutorials and this forum, I believe I am getting the same issue mentioned here regarding CCE crashes. I am using your latest bundle (.6) and the avisynth dll you recommended. I got the crash and followed the above post's instructions regarding rebooting and attempting to use the standalone 2.5 encoder to finish the encoding. It finished without any crashes at about .434 speed average. I only chose 2 small chapters but it took quite some time. Here's some detail about my setup:
1.4 ghz AMD Thunderbird
512 Generic RAM (not DDR)
Asus MB I think.
80 gig HD, Western Digital 7200 rpm
Running Win XP Pro

I will continue to watch these forums for more info or ideas, just wanted to share the info I had. Thanks so much DVD2SVCD, the program seems to be great for those who have success with it. Hoping to get it running myself with everyone's posts/help. Let me know if more info would be helpful.

[xrv1138]

latest 2 runs completed
emailed the requested files
running recovery method on 2 machines now

[EMonty]

Hi,

Tried the new build, until CCE everything went fine, just before the muxing part it says file not found. Reinstalled the previous build, no problemos, weird :confused:

*** DVD2SVCD i sent you the IFO etc.

[Clixo]

i also tried the new beta ver and here is my repor: the first tim same prob as emonty said " file not found " ( mp2 )the new soft didnt save the mp2 file. then unistalled dvd2svcd reinstaled again and now it works without a single prob. also tested new feature with an avi and it works just fine. thanks to DVD2SVCD

[EMonty]

Hi,
Uninstalled the bundle, still file not found :(
The mp2 file is made, so are all the others

[gerti67]

Same here,

installed 1.0.6 Build 1 Pre 2 and right after CCE finished encoding a tiny little Message-Box appears and only says "File not found."

I tried everything from reinstalling the 1.0.6, checking for corrupt download of the bundle, setting all filepaths again, but nothing helped. (1.0.5 Build 4 works perfect on the same PC.) And the mp2 file is there, so i don't know what file isn't found.

[pinkybis]

Here too:

Installed 1.0.6 Build 1 Pre 2 and right after CCE finished encoding just when he says "Video Encoding finished" in the log window, a tiny little Message-Box appears and only says "File not found."

I tried everything from reinstalling the 1.0.6, but nothing helped. (1.0.5 Build 4 works perfect on the same PC. and when Video encoding is finished run #9 test and continue) And the mp2 file is there, so i don't know what file isn't found.

Athlon 900
256 Kb

Sorry for my poor english.

[equilibrium]

I have the same issue I have just finished encoding hannibal without a crash and then it said file not found.

You cannot use crash recovery because even though the mpv and vaf are there it thinks it needs to start the encoding again.

DVD2SVD can you confirm what the next process would normally be so that I can do it manually.

[mrfixit]

I'm getting the same "File Not Found" error. Going to reinstall and run again

[EMonty]

Hi,

Deleted everything, tried another computer, same problemos: error message file not found,:confused:

[dvd2svcd]

Sorry about the "File not found" error. It happens if you don't use subtitles. I has been fixed.

But back to the CCE issue, I want to explain all the issues I have discovered the past few days, all of which can explain why so many users have CRC errors or CCE Crashes.

1. Yesterday I discovered that my internal ripping was flaw, the last block in the last vob file ripped would contain garbage. So I fixed that and compared it to the results of both vStrip and SmartRipper and they are now identical. But, this garbage of the last block can explain why people would get CRC errors. Also if you've used the CRC patcher, CCE could freeze.

2. When ripping subtitles I used to use a win32 command called CreatePalette. Now, that is in a way ok, the thing that isn't ok is that I forgot to release the Palette. This would produce the error "Incorrect Parameter" when using w98 and perhaps also win me. The "Incorrect Parameter" in this instance is equal to "No More free system resources". Windows 2000/XP however has a much better resource control and would not (as far as I have tested) produce this error, but it would consume memory and could have had an effect on CCE.

3. When CCE is running, dvd2svcd runs through all the active windows currently running. This I do to see if and how far CCE had come. The way I did this was probably not too bright. I added all the active windows into a Dynamic List, which I then examine and release. This meant that each second dvd2svcd would consume some memory (not much but some) and release it again (no memory loss), but the fact that the amount of memory was consumed and then released over and over again might also have given CCE problems, especially when changing between passes.

4. Sometime ago, I discovered that CCE had problems when using drag'n'drop on it, however, there was a lot of users who wanted the possibility to "Lock The Computer" (w2k) or Fast User Switching (xp), so I took the drag'n'drop a step further in the last release. This it seems was not wise (sorry). So, the last two days I have been trying to manipulate CCE with windows commands in a way so that you still would be able to "lock" or "switch" and still be sure that CCE was running. Today I succeded, and I actually succeded in a way so that the execution should still be as safe as it was before. However, it means tha the "Open File" and "Save File" windows will popup again, so be a little careful when CCE is about to execute.

5. Finally, it is known that CCE has some CRC issues on Athlon computers (just ask ixi or Tsunami), so if you do get CRC errors in CCE but are able to continue by pressing OK, I suggest that you try installing the CRC patch, but only if all else fails.


I am currently testing 1.0.6 build 1 on 6 computers. One with Windows 98, three with Windows 2000 Pro (danish) (1 athlon, 1 fast Pentium and 1 slow), one Windows XP Pro (danish) connected to a Domain LAN, one Windows XP (english) without LAN (testing "fast user swicth")

So if the above 6 computers complete without problems (and I hope they do, otherwise I might get in trouble with the boss) I will release 1.0.6 build 1.


I hope the above explains a bit of what I have been doing the last 2-3 days fulltime (All day when I actually should be working and at all night when I actually should take care of the family).

[EMonty]

Man,

You are too good to be true!!!, but please go take care of your family, life is too short

cheers

[equilibrium]

DVD2SVD thanks for all the great work.

Just one thing, you say that it happens when not ripping with subtitles and is fixed but could you give an idea of how we could manually finish these projects as you havn't released the new version yet and I've got all the files sitting there waiting to finish and crash recovery doesn't seem to be designed to recover beyond the CCE phase.

THX.

[dvd2svcd]

Sorry, no workaround. You have to cross your fingers and hope that all of my 6 computers finishes ok.

[EMonty]

DVD2SVCD,

Good luck with the 6 computers, i have one thing that might be of interest for the cce crash stuff: When i use CCE standalone it happens sometimes with large avi's (from my digital camera)that it freezes or crashes...:( with DVD2SVCD i never had that problem :p

hope it goes through the test

thanxs

[xrv1138]

dvd2svcd
thanks again for all of your support
i hope the encodes go well
can you advise if you are encoding with a long film ?
cheers

[dvd2svcd]

I am encoding the following movies:

1. Pearl Harbor 174 mins. (PAL, 1 AC3 audio, Permanent Subs)
2. Dinosaur 79 mins. (PAL, 2 AC3 audio, CVD Subs)
3. Scary Movie 2 (PAL, 1 AC3 audio, SVCD Subs)
4. Swan Princess 80 mins.(Disney Cartoon) (PAL, 2 MPA audio, no subs )
5. Sakura Diaries 65 mins.(Anime,IVTC, 1 audio, Permanent Subs) (NTSC)
6. Terminator 2 155 mins. (NTSC, 1 AC3 audio, SVCD Subs)

The above should cover a fairly good range of different movietypes.

[Schultz]

Originally posted by dvd2svcd
I am encoding the following movies:

5. Sakura Diaries 65 mins.(Anime,IVTC, 1 audio, Permanent Subs) (NTSC)



This your own personally collection? But hopefully they all finish without a problem.. can't wait for next release. Even though i never had this problem with dvd2svcd i do hope it gets fixed for all those that do have it.

[saber]

As someone else has said, man, you´re too good to be truth. Thanks again.
I´m afraid that someday I´ll get the bill on the mail... ;)

[Coentjo]

Yesterday I've "managed" to get CCE working.

After doing some tests with dvd2svcd (all resulting in a freeze)I installed Fritz 7 (which is a chess program), restarted my PC as requested by the installer, played a game of chess (and lost of course).

Then I decided to try CCE once more. So I started CCE, loaded the .ecl project file, pressed encode. Instead of a freeze CCE now presented a "Video checksum error" (I'm not sure about exact text of the message but clearly it's the CCE error thing). I then started dvd2svcd again and started onde of my previous tests (now without the ripping). After creating the .vaf file CCE started, without freeze, with the normal encoding. Hopefully, when I'm home from work, CCE will have completed successfully.

@DVD2SVCD: Keep up the good work!

[dvd2svcd]

Some good and bad news:

1. Pearl Harbor - Still going
2. Dinosaur - Froze :(
3. Scary Movie 2 - Froze :mad:
4. Swan Princess - No problems
5. Sakura Diaries - No problems
6. Terminator 2 - Still going


So, there is still some issues to be solved. Anyway, for those of you who'd like to continue trying download this build:

1.0.6 Build 1 Pre 7 (http://212.88.77.140/DVD2SVCD_1.0.6_Setup-Build_1-Pre_7.exe)

Edit
@EMonty: I took the liberty to delete the posts, since they were irrelevant

[xrv1138]

dvd2svcd
thanks for the update
at least those of us that get freezes can doubt our own software installations a little less...
do you still want emails sent to you regarding cce crashes
so that you can give us testing to be done for you ?

[SteveV]

Thanks for the new build
I am testing it with a trailer from armageddon dvd now.
Cant get Avi2svcd working though audio doesnt get extracted from the source 0 byte file and a 44 byte file.
After the encoding of the avi an error pops up that it cant read the audio file and thats it.

[equilibrium]

DVD2SVD will build 7 in the link above enable me to pick up on my completed .mpv file and finish the job. ( i have it all sitting there from when there was the issue yesterday with movie without subtitles)

Cheers

Equilibrium

[Slick]

@equilibrium

Didnt Dvd2svcd answer this question yesterday following your first post on this subject?;)

[dvd2svcd]

Damn, damn, damn. One of my friends just tested Pre 7 and he still gets the "Incorrect Parameter" error. He has agreed that I can borrow his computer so that I can debug on it. I just wanted to tell you this so you wouldn't be surprised if you got this error (it still seems to be only on win98). But this time there was still 80% system resources left, so those two things apparently didn't have anything to do with each other.

[JLR2000]

Hang in there DVD2SVCD!! Thanks so much for all your efforts, we really do appreciate it!:rolleyes:

[xrv1138]

dvd2svcd
yes - hang in there ! the program is such a well designed tool.

for your information i have used the pre 7 to complete gladiator but dropped down from 4 pass vbr (in which it always crashed as per my emails to you) to 3 pass with higher set bitrates than default.
i was fairly sure this would work anyway, which it did, but just thought id let u know that ive given up on trying this disk in a 4 pass.
good luck with your present bug hunting, if there is any testing you need done let us know :)

[itimpi]

First the good news in that I can report that with the 1.0.6 builds I have so far had no freezes (previously I always got freezes with multi-pass VBR). I have so far successfully encoded the following films which previously all failed for me:
- The Mummy (NTSC->PAL)
- The Mummy Returns (NTSC->PAL)
- Fifth Element (NTSC->PAL)
- Manon Des Sources (with Subtitles)
- Shrek

I tried to use the Pre 7 build to complete the processing of a film I did with the Pre2 build (i.e. go into the Muxing/Cutting stage). That run had earlier completed CCE processing and then failed with the "File not found" error (as I was not doing the sub-titles). When I try and continue using Crash Recovery I only get offered the option to restart at the video encoding stage. However that has completed OK and as it is the most time consuming part I would rather not repeat it. What do I need to do to move into the next stage?

[Slick]

Originally posted by itimpi
I tried to use the Pre 7 build to complete the processing of a film I did with the Pre2 build (i.e. go into the Muxing/Cutting stage). That run had earlier completed CCE processing and then failed with the "File not found" error (as I was not doing the sub-titles). When I try and continue using Crash Recovery I only get offered the option to restart at the video encoding stage. However that has completed OK and as it is the most time consuming part I would rather not repeat it. What do I need to do to move into the next stage?

equilibrium has asked the same question twice in this thread.
Dvd2svd replied to the first occaision stating:-
(Sorry, no workaround. You have to cross your fingers and hope that all of my 6 computers finishes ok.)

[Labersack]

@itimpi
I had the same problem and did the following:

I edit the dvd2svcd project file.d2s.
I set the line with "Project Position="
to "Project Position=31"

After this I load the file in crashrecovery and can continue with muxing and cutting.

Be careful, setting to 31 will skip some steps, e.g. pulldown, which I don't need, but maybe you do.

You can increase the Project Position to the next value, but the first time I did this it deleted my cce-encoded...mpv. So set this file first to read-only if ou want to experiment.

[itimpi]

equilibrium has asked the same question twice in this thread.
Dvd2svd replied to the first occaision stating:-
(Sorry, no workaround. You have to cross your fingers and hope that all of my 6 computers finishes ok.)

I had interpreted the reply to mean that there was not work-around for the "File not Found" message rather than not being able to do Crash Recovery when the next build became available that fixed that particular problem.

I will experiment as some others have suggested to see if I can get anywhere without re-doing the CCE encode. If not it is back to doing them again - but at least this time with confidence they will finish.

[mrbass]

1.0.6 build 1 pre 7 bundle was a success for me with Fast and Furious 16:9 NTSC vbr 4 pass.

[EMonty]

1.06 build 1 pre 7 was also a success on me:

1. In the shadows
2. The insider
3. The mexican.

GREAT JOB DONE:D

[saber]

I also succeded in Shrek, Strange Days and Armageddon.
(DVD2SVCD, you the man!)

[svcdsrcool]

After SO many crashes in CCE, I have now done about 12 movies flawlessly with this beta release. Whatever has been changed, thank you, it works for me

[Flinch]

I still have problems with Shrek/PAL. cce freezes after the first pass. when i restart my box after that and start cce-encoding manually it also freezes. i also tried different dvd-ripper:smartripper, vstrip and the internal routines. then i saw that fitcd has some "cce-optimizing" in his example-avs-file. then i used these "cce-optimized" settings and modified the avs-file as part of the cce-encoding. with this modification cce freezed after the second pass. i had a max.bitrate of 2400 and a max.average bitrate of 2100.

i ripped other dvds without any problems so it's not a total malfunction of neither dvd2svcd nor cce.


Flinch

[dvd2svcd]

SUCCESS!!! As you could see in a former post of mine I had still issues with CCE crashing in "Dinosaur" and "Scary Movie 2". I had for test reasons installed the trial from Doom9's page and IT IS LIKELY TO GIVE YOU CCE CRASHES, don't ask me why. I tried to install the full version of CCE and NO MORE FREEZES. So I think that probably is the last issue with CCE Happy days :) (I hope).

I only have one thing to say, see if you can find a place where to "Try Me" ;)

BTW, I wanna strecth that this is NOT doom9's problem! It is the right trial version of CCE on his download page! Most likely the problem is the logo in the trial version.

EDIT:

I should have said "no more freezes HERE", but that doesn't mean that you wont get freezes on your computer.

[mrbass]

ok ...got it...it's how the person did something to CCE....ignore my post on the AVI2SVCD thread about what do you mean.

[Mortal]

One pass VBR has worked for me now, let's see what 3 pass does.
Thx to DVD2SVCD for that great work of yours.

[equilibrium]

Sorry to burst your bubble DVD2SVD but my version is already cracked and with pre 7 I am freezing on SW Episode 1 during the first of 3 passes !

Fresh XP rebuild and clean pre 7 install

[gldblade]

>Sorry to burst your bubble DVD2SVD but my version is already cracked

I think DVD2SVCD means whether or not your version was the full version in the first place, instead of a cracked version.

If this is true, then I guess it's "too bad" for people unwilling/unable to shell out $4000.

[equilibrium]

gldblade - I don't wish to break the rules of this forum. Suffice it to say that the advise that DVD2SVD gives re links in his last post is exactly what I had previuosly already done myself. So my post still stands, sorry.

[gldblade]

Maybe I'm missing something here... Give me five minutes to "Try me" and I'll report back.

*EDIT*
Ah. I see what you mean. Well... maybe it's a slightly different version of the demo that actually works with DVD2SVCD. Though I don't know if the version doom9 has is different. Have you tried this one yet? I can't tell from your post.

Ok, probably not, but I won't find out until I try and I can't try until something else I'm running finishes. Or maybe DVD2SVCD will enlighten us.

[dvd2svcd]

I don't think I can do anything else than I have already done. Those of you who still have freezes in CCE, sorry, but I can't help you any further. Only thing you can try if you haven't done so, is use Internal Ripping routines, DON'T USE SMARTRIPPER or any pre ripped vob files from dvd2svcd.

So, burst my bubble or not, this is the end of my CCE research for now, unless some hard facts about how to solve the last problems is being broght to me.

[DVDHack]

Hmm.. Perhaps I'm a bit thick, perhaps I just haven't grasped the search engines I use but I can't find a relavent "Try Me" site.

Anyone able to offer any assistance??

Thanks very much