new ipod nano and ipod classic/ipod touch

[Mgz]

iPod Nano

H.264 video, up to 1.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Low-Complexity version of the H.264 Baseline Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; H.264 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 3.0 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

iPod Classic

H.264 video, up to 1.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Low-Complexity version of the H.264 Baseline Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; H.264 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 3.0 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

iPod Touch

H.264 video, up to 1.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Low-Complexity version of the H.264 Baseline Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; H.264 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 3.0 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

is it me or the 'new' ipod has the same decoding power as the 'old' 5.5 generation one? :mad:

[Atak_Snajpera]

I'm not surprised. If you want something more advanced buy PSP :)

[InorganicMatter]

What exactly does "Low Complexity Baseline" mean? That's not even an official AVC spec!

[Atak_Snajpera]

it means no deblocking and --analyse none :)

[InorganicMatter]

it means no deblocking and --analyse none :)

Ah, thank you.

Anyone else see this:

H.264 video, up to 1.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Low-Complexity version of the H.264 Baseline Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; H.264 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 3.0 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

That's confusing and self-contradicting; so which one is it, the red or blue? The blue one could acutually be pretty decent, as it doesn't have the "Low-Complexity" clause, and goes up to Level 3.

[castellanos]

Excuse me guys, I couldn't resist.
I know that there are many people that find iPods irresistible, I'm sorry for them.
In the case of the new iPod Touch it's really nothing special... and 8 or 16GB?... Please, good luck!
Better take a look at this:
http://www.archos.com/products/gen_5/archos_605wifi/index.html?country=global&lang=en

Greetings!

[InorganicMatter]

Excuse me guys, I couldn't resist.
I know that there are many people that find iPods irresistible, I'm sorry for them.
In the case of the new iPod Touch it's really nothing special... and 8 or 16GB?... Please, good luck!
Better take a look at this:
http://www.archos.com/products/gen_5/archos_605wifi/index.html?country=global&lang=en


This is what I thought a few years ago when the iPod was still immature. I got a Zen, loved it, and still have it.

The iPod classic, though, is great. I got mine a week or so ago and love it. Big storage, small footprint, low price, tons of features, amazing audio fidelity, and a great UI (they did, after all, steal the UI from Creative :sly:). In true Apple fashion, they finally got their product right around the fifth or sixth spin.

[castellanos]

The iPod classic, though, is great. I got mine a week or so ago and love it. Big storage, small footprint, low price, tons of features, amazing audio fidelity, and a great UI (they did, after all, steal the UI from Creative ). In true Apple fashion, they finally got their product right around the fifth or sixth spin.
Good luck with it...

[InorganicMatter]

Good luck with it...

I have so far, as have the three people who bought it at my suggestion. :)

[igobypaul]

Ah, thank you.

Anyone else see this:



That's confusing and self-contradicting; so which one is it, the red or blue? The blue one could acutually be pretty decent, as it doesn't have the "Low-Complexity" clause, and goes up to Level 3.

Both are correct. Tested on new iPod nano. Video can be encoded up to 2.5 Mbps with h.264.

[fitbrit]

Ah, thank you.

Anyone else see this:

That's confusing and self-contradicting; so which one is it, the red or blue? The blue one could acutually be pretty decent, as it doesn't have the "Low-Complexity" clause, and goes up to Level 3.

The specs of my web browser say that it can display:jpeg images. gif images.
That's confusing and contradictory. Which is it??? :)

[bigtree]

I have an ipod touch , I use a software to convert dvd and video to it at <nowhere>
It is powerful .
What are you using now ?

[david2008]

I have an ipod touch , I use a software to convert dvd and video to it at <nowhere>
It is powerful .
What are you using now ?
I use it , too .
A lot of people use it .
It is popular .

[Atak_Snajpera]

I use it , too .
A lot of people use it .
It is popular .

Yeah! Right :) Yet another converter based on free ffmpeg. I see no reason to pay for that!!!

I have an ipod touch , I use a software to convert dvd and video to it at <nowhere>
It is powerful .
What are you using now ?

What is this a free ad?

[foxyshadis]

Big surprise, both accounts use the same IP. Banned.

[colemar]

What exactly does "Low Complexity Baseline" mean? That's not even an official AVC spec!

Well, after much fiddling I can say that official specs for Ipod Classic (that is Ipod 6th generation) are underrated.
Ipod Classic can do much more, as it can eat basically anything encoded with "ffmpeg -i input.avi -vcodec libx264 -level 30 ... output.mp4"; the magic piece here is "-level 30" which instructs libx264 to complain when level 3.0 specs are violated.
An example of complaining:
[libx264 @ 00B0A260]frame MB size (46x36) > level limit (1620)
[libx264 @ 00B0A260]MB rate (41400) > level limit (40500)
What is exactly level 3.0 I don't know, but it is interesting to note that the absolute maximum seems to be 720x576 at 25fps (PAL), and this computes to the above level limits as follows:
720x576 = 414720 pixels
1 macroblock (MB) is 16x16 = 256 pixels
414720/256 = 1620 macroblocks
1620*25 = 40500 macroblocks/sec

NTSC? Well (720x480/256)*30 = 40500 macroblocks/sec

As for bitrate, ITunes seems to accept anything below 6000kbps, but with Floola I have been able to load and play on the Ipod Classic a .mp4 file with 10000kbps, which is way too much for any source material at such standard resolution.