Update on HD-DVD Compliant Encodes?

[DeathMonk]

Haven't checked up in a while.. What are the current options available for encoding VC-1 and 264/AVC HD-DVD compliant files?

[zambelli]

Free or commercial?

[DeathMonk]

Both?

I know about cinevision, mainconcept.

x264..


Any others?

[vsv]

Elecard Converter Studio Pro HD (http://www.elecard.com/products/products-pc/professional/converter-studio-pro/)

[Sagittaire]

Mainconcept, elecard and Cinevision use the same core encoder: Mainconcept/Elecard H264 SDK encoder.

[zambelli]

I don't think x264 has been tested for HD-DVD compliance, though Akupenguin would probably know this for sure.

On the VC-1 front, only Microsoft PEP / Sonic Cinevision PSE have thus far been tested for HD-DVD compliance. The upcoming Microsoft VC-1 Encoder SDK (to be sold to 3rd party ISVs) will also be HD-DVD compliant.

I've honestly never tried testing WMV9 AP for HD-DVD compliance. 23.976 fps definitely won't work because it lacks TFF/RFF flags, but true 29.97i or 59.94p might work. Has anyone tried muxing WMV9 AP encoded VC-1 streams?

[bond]

afaik we still dont know the specs for vc-1 and avc for being hddvd compliant

therefore it is not yet possible to encode with non-hddvd tools a hddvd compliant stream

[Trahald]

so far for x264 with pulldown , the only guide is comparing to other hddvd apps output and the fact that scenarist muxes the output successfully. And picky as scenarist is, it doesnt check for everything so cant say for sure if the output is hddvd compliant

i did an encode with wmcmd.vbs and was able to get it accepted by scenarist. (passed the scan) generally scenarist does its compliancy checking at that point.

[bond]

Trahald, can you post your commandlines please? and did you manage to produce a stream that scenarist declined to use? if yes, what setting caused that?

[Sagittaire]

Trahald, can you post your commandlines please? and did you manage to produce a stream that scenarist declined to use? if yes, what setting caused that?

Well you can make hddvd/bd compliant stream with x264 with that for example:

@REM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
@REM >> HDDVD - 1080p - 23.976 fps - progressive - PSNR optimisation
@REM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


@REM 6Mbps - 1080p24 - 3 pass insame profil

x264.exe --threads 1 --thread-input --keyint 14 --min-keyint 2 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --pulldown 32 --bframe 2 --b-rdo --bime --weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --qpmin 1 --bitrate 6000 --pass 1 --stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 6 --trellis 1 --aud --sar 1:1 --progress -o NUL HDDVD-ntsc.avs

x264.exe --threads 1 --thread-input --keyint 14 --min-keyint 2 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --pulldown 32 --bframe 2 --b-rdo --bime --weightb --ref 3 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --qpmin 1 --bitrate 6000 --pass 3 --stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 6 --no-fast-pskip --no-dct-decimate --trellis 1 --aud --sar 1:1 --progress -o 6000.h264 HDDVD-ntsc.avs

x264.exe --threads 1 --thread-input --keyint 14 --min-keyint 2 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --pulldown 32 --bframe 2 --b-rdo --bime --weightb --ref 3 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --qpmin 1 --bitrate 6000 --pass 3 --stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "umh" --subme 7 --no-fast-pskip --no-dct-decimate --trellis 2 --aud --sar 1:1 --progress -o 6000.h264 HDDVD-ntsc.avs

[Icemaan]

Hi Sagitaire

Can you say me which X264 Build I need to take your Commandline .I only have one Build from Shaktooth and with this I cannot make
the nal-hdr Option.Or must I compile this alone ,if this is so can you help me

Thanks much for your help

Icemaan

[Sharktooth]

The trahald patched builds: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125568

[Icemaan]

Hi Sharktooth

Thank you very much for the Link. Now i can test ,i have downloaded the 663f_ptw32 Version I hope this is correct.

Icemaan

[Trahald]

x264_669h_3_pulldown.zip is newest.

[Icemaan]

Hi
After Downloaded Trahald Build I have encoded a sample of 300mb.
All works fine but I have some Questions more and hope somebody
can help me.

1. The 3:2 pulldown in the Build and the pulldown in the h264 info
are this the same? I need only make the pulldown one Time is
this correct in the build or with h264?
2. Is it neccessary to make a 3pass encode like Zambellis Script
or give a 2pass the same Quality?

Thanks for help
Icemaan

[Sharktooth]

1. if i understood your question correctly then yes, it's the same.
2. no, 3 passes are only needed if the 2 pass ratecontrol fails and you dont get the desired filesize.