New VC-1 ES to AVI Multiplexer Version 1.0.1 released (15-Sep-2007)

[vanden]

Does this mean that the resulting avi plays with the WVC1 DMO Codec, but not with ffdshow? : Yes

Edit :
TSRemux do not open my rebuild .evo and 2 original .evo from HdDvd bakup ...

[crypto]

I always had better results using TSRemux. Anyway, when the avi plays with the DMO, it has to be ffdshow, what needs attention.

1. Use a newer ffdshow version
2. Set WVC1 to wmv9 instead of libavcodec
3. Make sure FOURCC 'wvc1' is mapped to ff_vfw.dll

[crypto]

Yeah, should be possible. I have no idea why it is aborting. What you are going to do should also be possible with the WME9 Stream Editor. If that is working, would you give me details about the streams then?

[zambelli]

Are you muxing WMA to AVI? Or are you talking about a different app here?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Are you muxing WMA to AVI? Or are you talking about a different app here?Hi Zambelli...

Doh!.... I'm actually refering to WMVMuxer/Encoder (Final).

It looks like I've posted in the wrong thread :o


EDIT: Posts deleted and re-submitted within the WMV Muxer/Encoder Version 1.0 - Final Release (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120320&page=6) thread.

[humax]

I gett 7x 2 Gigabyte Files but i want one with 14 to use with MeGui later . How does this work ??

Thx for help

[crypto]

I gett 7x 2 Gigabyte Files but i want one with 14 to use with MeGui later . How does this work ??

Thx for help

Hi,
Use VirtualDub for that.

1. Load the first part (File menu, Open video file)
2. Append the next part (File menu, Append AVI segment). All other segments are loaded at once.
3. Select Video, Direct Stream Copy
4. Save the whole stream (File menu, Save as AVI)

You can also mux in the audio stream using the Audio menu, WAV audio. For that audio needs to be a AC3 track with wave headers.

VirtualDub allows editing and preview of the stream, when the ffdshow wfv codec and the Windows Media 11 DMO are installed.

[scarbrtj]

Crypto, I use large fonts in Windows. This sort of messes up the vc12avi GUI. In a future release, could you check on fixing that? Thanks for a great utility.

[DreckSoft]

I tried the muxer with the video stream of the spanish HD-DVD El Hundimiento (The Downfall - Der Untergang). The result is distorted video :-(

They seem to use a strange encoding. The Demuxed VC1 file plays fine, muxed into AVI gives distorted video, Muxing the EVO to MKV using GDSMux also results in distorted video. This is the only VC1 Encode where this has happened.

Seems there is a bug somewhere.

[crypto]

The Demuxed VC1 file plays fine, muxed into AVI gives distorted video, Muxing the EVO to MKV using GDSMux also results in distorted video.

Did you demux with evodmux or tsremux?

[DreckSoft]

EVODemux

[crypto]

I see. Try using TSRemux to get the elementary stream. It is slower, but more accurate.

[[DSL]Sensenman]

I ripped the HD-DVD with DumpHD 0.4, demuxed audio/video with latest EVODemux (0.627 b7).

Then I encoded the audio with EAC3to to an .ac3-stream which plays perfectly fine.

I used vc1conv to get convert the .vc1-track from 29.97fps to 23.976 fps, after this I used VC1toAVI to mux it into the .avi-container.
But now there are some parts in the movie where I can't seek to and some other who look totally distorted.

For decoding I used the latest WVC1DMO from Microsoft.

If anyone knows a possible solution to this problem, please share :thanks:

[DreckSoft]

I see. Try using TSRemux to get the elementary stream. It is slower, but more accurate.

TSRemux couldn't handle the EVO. I now demuxed the file with GraphEdit (Sonic Demuxer) and now it's fine. Strange since the demuxed VC1 file played fine. Thanks for the hint!

[eas4uk]

Hi,
Use VirtualDub for that.

1. Load the first part (File menu, Open video file)
2. Append the next part (File menu, Append AVI segment). All other segments are loaded at once.
3. Select Video, Direct Stream Copy
4. Save the whole stream (File menu, Save as AVI)

You can also mux in the audio stream using the Audio menu, WAV audio. For that audio needs to be a AC3 track with wave headers.

VirtualDub allows editing and preview of the stream, when the ffdshow wfv codec and the Windows Media 11 DMO are installed.

I dont seem to be able to load the avi's into virtualdub or virtualdub-MPEG2 - I get the following error message
I've installed ffdshow-tryouts but this doesn't seem to fix anything at the moment - can anyone help please?

Couldn't locate decompressor for format 'WVC1' (unknown)

VirtualDub requires a Video for Windows (VFW) Compatible codec to decompress video. Directshow codecs, such as those used by Windows Media Player, are not suitable

[crypto]

You need to check vfw support during install of ffdshow (clsid's build)

You can also add the following registry key:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32]
vidc.h264=ff_vfw.dll

[Beastie Boy]

@eas4uk, I think you can safely ignore the error. A decompressor is only required if you want to view/edit the video in VirtualDub. Since you are only doing a diect stream copy, VDub will simply write the output AVI without trying to decode it.
I had the same error, but I managed to mux the resultant video into a WMV file without any problems. YMMV.

Cheers, Beastie.

[eas4uk]

Sorted it - thanks for the replies - much appreciated

[eas4uk]

Sensenman;1056387']I ripped the HD-DVD with DumpHD 0.4, demuxed audio/video with latest EVODemux (0.627 b7).

Then I encoded the audio with EAC3to to an .ac3-stream which plays perfectly fine.

I used vc1conv to get convert the .vc1-track from 29.97fps to 23.976 fps, after this I used VC1toAVI to mux it into the .avi-container.
But now there are some parts in the movie where I can't seek to and some other who look totally distorted.

For decoding I used the latest WVC1DMO from Microsoft.

If anyone knows a possible solution to this problem, please share :thanks:

There is a problem with unforgiven and the WMVDecoder DMO
I couldn't re-encode it either - using the libavcodec seems to work though when re-encoding

[eas4uk]

HDDVD VC1 to comform .wmv Containter works nice

1.Demux your Evo/M2ts to VC1 ES
2.vc1conv to remove Pullddown and get 23.976Fps back
3.VC12AVI to mux VC1 into AVI Container
4.Solveig ASF Muxer to mux VC1 AVI to ASF Container
5.WMStreameditor to mux a conform WMV File
6. At this Point you can use a reencoded WMA Audio to get a full WMV for Xbox360 etc. Or you can mux AC3 into AVI

Right - my next problem is that once VirtualDub has appended all the avi files into 1 big avi- the runtime of the video file is now around an hour longer than the original?

Has anybody got any ideas or is this not worth worrying about?

[Beastie Boy]

Has anybody got any ideas or is this not worth worrying about?

I didn't actually test my AVI file. I just followed those instructions as written from start to finish and the end file was OK. Try converting to ASF and muxing to WMV (if that is your goal) and see if it works.

Cheers, Beastie.

[eas4uk]

Right well the audio now stops an hour short in the remuxed wmv filed

This is a 1080i hd-dvd will this make any difference?

[chrislynch]

So, I know this tool is for VC-1 video from an HD-DVD or BR disk. However, can this tool be used for H.264/MPEG-4 compliant ES files? Or, would it be better to stick with avc2avi? The reason I ask is I am working with x264/H.264 Matroska files, and need to convert them to WMV. I just tried a 1080p MKV file (13GB in size, where the H.264 video is 10GB in size.) Attempting to use vc12avi stated the extracted H.264 video was not a VC-1 Compliant ES. Aren't they supposed to be the same (VC-1 and H.264?)

[Schmendrick]

First: No VC-1 and H.264 are not the same! That why vc12avi does not work.
Second: Because of the first reason I do not see how a H.264-stream could be muxed into the WMV-container and what for?

Instead of avc2avi you can also use mkv2vfr.exe contained within the Haali matroska splitter package to repackage the H.264-stream into an avi container. Audio-files you can later mux into the avi-file using VirtualDubMod.

Schmendrick

[Smilin Joe]

I am trying to demux a VC1 ES stream from a .m2ts file. Any recommendations on which tool to use? The only two that seem to do what I want are TSRemux or Elecard XMuxer Pro. Is one better than the other? I have tried xport, but can't get it to output anything. I have tried "xport -h *.m2ts 1 1 1", but it doesn't output anything.

Thanks in advance....

Chris.

[crypto]

You can try both TSRemux and XMuxer and see which one gives better results. XMuxer is commercial Software, but Elecard allows an evaluation period. For xport see if you have the latest version. http://www.w6rz.net/xport.zip

[Smilin Joe]

I am going to go back and try encoding straight from the m2ts file. When I started this my avisynth skills were non-existent. Know that I have a half a clue, I think encoding straight from the source is going to introduce much less error than going from ts > vc1 > avi > asf > wmv. Then all I have to do is get audio worked out :)

Thanks guys... I wouldn't even know how to talk about this stuff without this forum.

Chris.

[ACrowley]

I am going to go back and try encoding straight from the m2ts file. When I started this my avisynth skills were non-existent. Know that I have a half a clue, I think encoding straight from the source is going to introduce much less error than going from ts > vc1 > avi > asf > wmv. Then all I have to do is get audio worked out :)
Chris.

Yes ? Ofcourse you should encode directly from the Source .
No need to remux VC1 to AVI
VC1-AVI Remuxing is totally uselses for encoding purposes

Directly encode the m2ts
grf :

Haalimedisplitter-WMVideoDecoderDMO

[Smilin Joe]

Yeah I understand the process now. This encoding/muxing business has a steep learning curve :)

I now have an encoded video file that plays but when I mux it with the audio, I get no video. I'll keep trying....

Chris.

[dirkr]

VC12AVI changes the framerate if I remux a vc1-video stream to avi. From 23,976p to 29,9...f

Any chance to deny that?

[crypto]

VC12AVI changes the framerate if I remux a vc1-video stream to avi. From 23,976p to 29,9...f

Not it doesn't. The framerate is taken from the sequence headers. Have a look at the details tab and confirm that the stream is really 23.976 fps. VC-1 elementary streams from HD-DVD are normally flagged for pulldown at 29.97fps.
Any chance to deny that?
You can remove the pulldown with drmpeg's vc1conv (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1037540#post1037540).

[sehgal.v7]

@Crypto
I muxed VC-1 file into AVI container with VC12AVI, does it loss any quality??
Secondly, i want to get back original same VC-1 file from AVI container (is that possible & if yes, then how)?
Are you planning to make an another tool or adding feature in current app to revert AVI container to VC-1 file?

Regards,
Shroff

[crypto]

@Crypto
I muxed VC-1 file into AVI container with VC12AVI, does it loss any quality??

No, quality is identical. The video stream just gets muxed.

@Crypto
Secondly, i want to get back original same VC-1 file from AVI container (is that possible & if yes, then how)?

Yes, that's possible with an additional step. Mux the AVI to WMV. Then use ASF2VC1 to get back the VC-1 ES.

@Crypto
Are you planning to make an another tool or adding feature in current app to revert AVI container to VC-1 file?
No, I have nothing planned for VC-1, since HD-DVD is dead now.

[sehgal.v7]

@Crypto
Thanks for the info bro

Regards,
Sehgal

[zambelli]

No, I have nothing planned for VC-1, since HD-DVD is dead now.
VC-1 is still on a significant percentage of BluRay discs though...

[crypto]

VC-1 is still on a significant percentage of BluRay discs though...
Oh, good to know. I haven't followed the BluRay route. But from all I sense, there is a strong demand of AVC.

There were a lot of strategical errors in VC-1 maketing. Support for the hobbyist scene came too late, open specs came too late and free tools came too late.

Now everything for VC-1 is available, but no one is picking it up. You know what this means.

[zambelli]

There were a lot of strategical errors in VC-1 maketing. Support for the hobbyist scene came too late, open specs came too late and free tools came too late.
It didn't help that Microsoft ended up being the only company truly backing VC-1. Everyone else, even the other VC-1 patent pool members, just stood on the sidelines and watched.

Now everything for VC-1 is available, but no one is picking it up. You know what this means.
Well, it's far from dead - if that's what you mean. :)

We'll be seeing it in Windows Media for years to come (even if we killed it today - it'd still take years for it to disappear) and its BluRay adoption rate has actually been very good - even better than during the format war.

[crypto]

It didn't help that Microsoft ended up being the only company truly backing VC-1. Everyone else, even the other VC-1 patent pool members, just stood on the sidelines and watched.Exactly.

We'll be seeing it in Windows Media for years to come (even if we killed it today - it'd still take years for it to disappear) and...Yes, but AVC is gaining a lot of momentum. Adobe is adding it to all products, so is Apple and the hardware industry. AVC is reaching the mass markets.

...its BluRay adoption rate has actually been very good - even better than during the format war.
Oh, that is really good to hear. We all know how good VC-1 is, especially at high bitrates like on BluRay.

[zambelli]

Yes, but AVC is gaining a lot of momentum. Adobe is adding it to all products, so is Apple and the hardware industry. AVC is reaching the mass markets.
Oh, I don't disagree with that either. There's no competition between VC-1 and H.264 as far as Microsoft is concerned. We're slowly adopting both - it's just taking a long time to deliver H.264 across all products. Xbox, Zune, MediaRoom (IPTV) already support H.264, so it's not a question of "if", it's just a question of "when" the rest will follow.

Oh, that is really good to hear. We all know how good VC-1 is, especially at high bitrates like on BluRay.
The most important thing is that we're finally rid of MPEG-2. :)

[Oleg Rode]

Sorry for my English.
Crypto, I am a shame to ask, but...:rolleyes: Any hopes to fix file splitting?;)

[crypto]

Yes, output > 2GB is still planned, but not too soon. I have currently other projects.

[Toti]

Thanks Cripto for the great program. I'll be waiting very impatiencetly for the program that does not split the file. I don't know why but now everytime the file splits it gives me a few frames of green video.

If it would not split the video I would be using it all the time.:cool:

[kreeper_6]

Yes, this makes no sense. Why not convert to a single file. This just adds another step in a 12 step process from vc1 bluray to ps3 compliant wmv file to stream. Now if wmvmuxer actually worked with vc1 streams I wouldn't need this.

[Rodoga]

Tried everything to make this easier. Found out that this works, at least for me anyway!
Rip the movie with eac3to so you get a mkv file(example,eac3to feature_1.evo+feature_2.evo movie.mkv -stripPulldown)
. Load it in, SolveigMM ASF Multiplexer, rename the file if you have to. Save the file to xxx.wmv. Voila!!!

It's been a while since i've done this, but I made a wonderful copy of The Departed this way.

The audio is done separately and muxed with media stream editor. But this you know.

Hope this helps!!

[bmnot]

Hmm, this is wierd, when I use VLC media player to view the 2gb large output .avi they are like really jerky in their playback, as if the picture was shaking back and forth or something (can upload a sample if you need one), but when I then use WMP 11 instead, they play perfectly fine. Thing is, I wasn't able to view my original recorded .ts with VLC at all, so I don't know whether there already was a problem with the .vc1 I extracted using TsMuxeR or whether vc12avi caused this.

Anyone have any idea of why I get my .avi like this?

[ni-cad]

I'm also having problems but with files that were converted from an EVO.

This is what I'm doing.

I ripp the EVO from the disc using anydvd.

I extract the VC-1 stream from the EVO using Clown BD.

I convert the VC-1 to AVI in the VC-1 to AVI converter.

The AVI will not play back in anything, I tested it in several apps - Adobe After effects - Powerdvd - AVS V-converter but none would play it, could any of you have a look at the files I'm creating or perhaps have a crack at them for me, sorry to ask but I'm stumped.

Here's a sample of the avi that's produced by VC-1 to AVI converter.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tzvllmjmwy0

Here's a sample of the original VC-1 created by Clown BD from the EVO.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nmtduqe4knn

Also the original EVO.

http://www.mediafire.com/?zyllzjz1ito


Here's the log file from VC-1 to AVI Converter.

--- Sequence Header ---
profile: 3 (advanced)
level: 3 (AP@L3)
chroma_format: 1 (4:2:0)
frmrtq_postproc: 7
bitrtq_postproc: 31
postprocflag: 0
max_coded_width: 959 (1920)
max_coded_height: 539 (1080)
pulldown: 0
interlace: 0
tfcntrflag: 0
finterpflag: 0
display_ext: 1
disp_horiz_size: 1919 (1920)
disp_vert_size: 1079 (1080)
aspect_ratio_flag: 1
aspect_ratio: 1
framerate_flag: 1
framerateind: 0
frameratenr: 1
frameratedr: 2
frame rate: 23.98
m_color_format_flag: 0
hrd_param_flag: 1
hrd_num_leaky_buckets: 1
bit_rate_exponent: 3
buffer_size_exponent: 5
hrd_rate[0] = 58592 (29999616)
hrd_buffer[0] = 58592 (29999616)

--- Entry Point Header ---
broken_link: 0
closed_entry: 1
panscan_flag: 0
refdist_flag: 1
loopfilter: 1
fastuvmc: 0
extended_mv: 1
dquant: 1
vstransform: 1
overlap: 0
quantizer: 3
hrd_fullness[0]: 255
coded_size_flag: 1
coded_width: 959
coded_height: 539
extended_dmv: 0
range_mapy_flag: 0
range_mapuv_flag: 0


There are logs from Clown BD also, incase they mean anything to anyone :confused:

eac3to v3.16
command line: "E:\Clown_BD_v0.64\eac3to\eac3to.exe" "E:\Anydvd ripps\American werewolf in london\AMERICAN_WEREWOLF_EU\HVDVD_TS\FEATURE_2.EVO" 1: "E:\Clown_BD_v0.64\eac3to\Temp\Video_1.*" 7: "E:\Clown_BD_v0.64\eac3to\Temp\Audio_7_English.AC3" -LOG="E:\Clown_BD_v0.64\eac3to\Temp\eac3to_PASS3_LOG.LOG"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
EVO, 1 video track, 6 audio tracks, 28 subtitle tracks, 0:49:44
1: VC-1, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9) with pulldown flags
2: E-AC3, English, 5.1 channels, 1536kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, -110ms
3: E-AC3, French, 2.0 channels, 768kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, -110ms
4: E-AC3, Italian, 2.0 channels, 768kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, -110ms
"Italian"
5: E-AC3, German, 2.0 channels, 768kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, -110ms
6: E-AC3, Spanish, 5.1 channels, 768kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, -110ms
7: E-AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 384kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, -78ms
"Director's Commentary"
8: Subtitle (DVD), English, "SDH"
9: Subtitle (DVD), French
10: Subtitle (DVD), Italian, "Italian"
11: Subtitle (DVD), German
12: Subtitle (DVD), Spanish
13: Subtitle (DVD), Japanese
14: Subtitle (DVD), Swedish, "Swedish"
15: Subtitle (DVD), Danish, "Danish"
16: Subtitle (DVD), Finnish, "Finnish"
17: Subtitle (DVD), Dutch, "Dutch"
18: Subtitle (DVD), Norwegian, "Norwegian"
19: Subtitle (DVD), Portuguese
20: Subtitle (DVD), English, "Commentary"
21: Subtitle (DVD), French, "Commentary"
22: Subtitle (DVD), Italian, "Italian Commentary"
23: Subtitle (DVD), German, "Commentary"
24: Subtitle (DVD), Spanish, "Commentary"
25: Subtitle (DVD), Japanese, "Commentary"
26: Subtitle (DVD), Swedish, "Swedish Commentary"
27: Subtitle (DVD), Danish, "Danish Commentary"
28: Subtitle (DVD), Finnish, "Finnish Commentary"
29: Subtitle (DVD), Dutch, "Dutch Commentary"
30: Subtitle (DVD), Norwegian, "Norwegian Commentary"
31: Subtitle (DVD), Portuguese, "Commentary"
32: Subtitle (DVD), French, "Forced"
33: Subtitle (DVD), Italian, "Italian Forced"
34: Subtitle (DVD), German, "Forced"
35: Subtitle (DVD), Spanish, "Forced"
[a07] The Nero decoder doesn't seem to work, will use libav instead.
[v01] Extracting video track number 1...
[a07] Extracting audio track number 7...
[v01] Writing new framerate "24fps /1.001" to bitstream.
[v01] Removing VC-1 pulldown...
[a07] Removing E-AC3 dialog normalization...
[a07] Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
[a07] Applying RAW/PCM delay...
[a07] Encoding AC3 <448kbps> with libAften...
[v01] Creating file "E:\Clown_BD_v0.64\eac3to\Temp\Video_1.vc1"...
[a07] Creating file "E:\Clown_BD_v0.64\eac3to\Temp\Audio_7_English.AC3"...
Video track 1 contains 71545 frames.
eac3to processing took 17 minutes, 12 seconds.
Done.

Command Line="E:\Clown_BD_v0.64\tsMuxeR\tsMuxeR.exe" "E:\Clown_BD_v0.64\eac3to\Temp\Temp.meta" "E:\Clown_BD_v0.64\tsMuxeR\tsMuxer output\Temp"

SmartLabs tsMuxeR. Version 1.10.6 http://www.smlabs.net
VC-1 muxing fps not set. Get fps from stream.
Decoding VC-1 stream (track 1): Profile: Advanced@3 Resolution: 1920:1080p Fram
e rate: 23.976
0.0% complete
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 448Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 2
VC-1 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=23.976
99.9% complete
Processed 71545 video frames
100.0% complete
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 5 min 37 sec


I've been posting questions about this EVO - AVI file conversion on a few different forums for a couple of weeks now and no one seems to be able to help, or point me to anything I may be doing wrong, it's like I've hit a brick wall and no one knows what the problem might be :(

[Midzuki]

First of all: do you really need a .AVI-wrapped VC-1 stream?

Anyway, here goes my alternative suggestion, since VC12AVI not always works as it should:

.vc1 --> MKVmerge --> .mkv

.mkv --> MKVextract --> .avi

HTH.

[ni-cad]

First of all: do you really need a .AVI-wrapped VC-1 stream?

I create AV compositions, the main apps I use are Resolume Avenue 3 and Adobe After Effects, I generally always work with AVI's, because they run well in both apps, AVI works best for rendering with alpha channels also.



Anyway, here goes my alternative suggestion, since VC12AVI not always works as it should:

.vc1 --> MKVmerge --> .mkv

.mkv --> MKVextract --> .avi

HTH.

Thanks, I just tried this. I'm affraid the AVI bombed all the apps: AFX, AVS VCNVTR, PWRDVD all bombed :(

The AVI was the right size and resolution though, I'm not saying the problem I have is the fault of MKVToolnix, VC-12AVI or ant of the apps I'm using, I just hope
that a developer (or anyone else for that matter) may be interested enough to look in to a possible problem one or other of these apps is causing and perhaps help me troubleshoot what's going wrong on my end at the same time.

All the files I've used are linked above including a sample of the original EVO file, if any one has ten minuets to give them a try it would be a great help.

Regards

ni-cad.

[Midzuki]

.vc1 --> MKVmerge --> .mkv

.mkv --> MKVextract --> .avi

Well, now I've just noticed that the method above worked for the version 2.4.1 of MKVtoolnix
(now I'm --- still --- using version 2.9.5, and MKVextract doesn't manage to output a .AVI-wrapped vc-1 stream). However,
the latest version of AVI-Mux GUI (1.17.8)
does accept copying VC-1 from an MKV to an AVI. :)

[WildTexasChef]

I am having problems with it converting INTERLACED VC-1 content. Works just fine for PROGRESSIVE VC-1. Any ideas?

WTC