forced subtitles do not appear (AutoGK)

[Broesel]

Hi!
Used AutoGK for a long time, but lately, I have lot's of problems as audio out of sync or the forced subtitles do not appear...
I just set up my whole computer again (XP) and installed autoGK 2.4. ESS standalone: yes. No codec pack installed.
I created an .iso of the movie I want to convert (Lord of the rings I), using ultra-iso.
Then I loaded the files in AutoGK, choosed two languages (told AutoGK to keep original audio), and wide english subs. I activated the "forced subs only" button. Codec is Xvid, outputsize 2240mb.
The results show no subtitles at all! Then I repeated the whole story again, keeping the "only forced subs" deactivated this time! And here they are: They all appear!
Here is the logfile: Only difference to the rip before is the unchecked "force subs only"....
Can anybody help? Thanks!
Brösel


[24.07.2007 16:21:30] AutoGK 2.40
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] Job started.
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] Input file: K:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_0.IFO
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] Output file: C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Dr. Snuggles\Desktop\lotr 1 1.avi
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] Output codec: XviD
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] Audio 1: Deutsch AC3 6ch
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] Audio 2: English AC3 6ch
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] Subtitles 1: English wide
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] Format: AVI
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] Target size: 2237Mb
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] Audio 1 settings: Original
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] Audio 2 settings: Original
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] Standalone support enabled: ESS
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] Started encoding.
[24.07.2007 16:21:30] Demuxing and indexing.
[24.07.2007 16:36:22] Processing file: K:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
[24.07.2007 16:36:22] Processing file: K:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.VOB
[24.07.2007 16:36:22] Processing file: K:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.VOB
[24.07.2007 16:36:22] Processing file: K:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.VOB
[24.07.2007 16:36:22] Processing file: K:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_5.VOB
[24.07.2007 16:36:22] Processing file: K:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_6.VOB
[24.07.2007 16:36:22] Processing file: K:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_7.VOB
[24.07.2007 16:36:22] Source resolution: 720x576
[24.07.2007 16:36:22] Found PAL source.
[24.07.2007 16:36:22] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[24.07.2007 16:36:22] Color correction enabled.
[24.07.2007 16:36:22] Analyzing source.
[24.07.2007 16:40:36] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 0,00
[24.07.2007 16:40:36] Source is considered to be progressive.
[24.07.2007 16:40:36] Output will contain 151971 frames
[24.07.2007 16:40:36] Preparing subtitles.
[24.07.2007 16:44:49] Audio1 size: 340,358,144 bytes (324.59 Mb)
[24.07.2007 16:44:49] Audio2 size: 340,358,144 bytes (324.59 Mb)
[24.07.2007 16:44:49] Overhead: 3,609,344 bytes (3.44 Mb)
[24.07.2007 16:44:49] Video size: 1,661,338,880 bytes (1584.38 Mb)
[24.07.2007 16:44:49] Running compressibility test.
[24.07.2007 16:44:49] Writing the following script to C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Dr. Snuggles\Desktop\agk_tmp\lotr 1 1_comptest.avs
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LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\vsfilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\ColorMatrix.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Dr. Snuggles\Desktop\agk_tmp\lotr 1 1.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.42222222222222
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 704
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
ColorMatrix("Rec.709->Rec.601",opt=0,hints=false)
VobSub("C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Dr. Snuggles\Desktop\agk_tmp\lotr 1 1.idx")
SelectRangeEvery(300,15)
===========================================================
[24.07.2007 16:49:58] Duration was: 5 minutes 8 seconds
[24.07.2007 16:49:58] Speed was: 24,59 fps.
[24.07.2007 16:49:58] Compressibility percentage is: 134,73
[24.07.2007 16:49:58] Switching b-frames off
[24.07.2007 16:49:58] Chosen resolution is: 720x320 ( AR: 2,25 )
[24.07.2007 16:49:58] Predicted comptest value is: 93,74%
[24.07.2007 16:49:58] Running first pass.
[24.07.2007 16:49:58] Writing the following script to C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Dr. Snuggles\Desktop\agk_tmp\lotr 1 1_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\vsfilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\ColorMatrix.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Dr. Snuggles\Desktop\agk_tmp\lotr 1 1.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.42222222222222
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 720
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
ColorMatrix("Rec.709->Rec.601",opt=0,hints=false)
VobSub("C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Dr. Snuggles\Desktop\agk_tmp\lotr 1 1.idx")
===========================================================
[24.07.2007 17:55:50] Duration was: 1 hour, 5 minutes 51 seconds
[24.07.2007 17:55:50] Speed was: 38,46 fps.
[24.07.2007 17:55:50] Expected quality of first pass size: 97,34%
[24.07.2007 17:55:50] Running second pass.
[24.07.2007 19:52:10] Duration was: 1 hour, 56 minutes 19 seconds
[24.07.2007 19:52:10] Speed was: 21,77 fps.
[24.07.2007 19:52:10] Job finished. Total time: 3 hours 30 minutes 40 seconds

[manono]

Hi-

Perhaps they're not Forced Subs (a small part of a subtitle stream which also contains subs for the regular dialog), but have their own subtitle stream. Look around for a very small subtitle stream. It'll probably have the Elvish talk you're looking for.

Maybe someone will come along that has worked with your PAL DVD (?) version of the movie and will have something more definite.

[nullstuff]

...strip (desidered) subs with DVDSubEdit (.SUP format) then convert them to .IDX/.SUB with SubtitleCreator and import them in AutoGK via CTRL+F8.

-- nullstuff

[Broesel]

Hello!
Thanks for your answers!
I got this far: I installed DVDSubEdit and SubtitleCreator. I isolated the subs I want and saved them as .sup.
But SubtitileCreater doesn't accept .sup format. It asks for .sub or .srt, .scc, or .ccraw....
But this isn't the main problem - I probably can find another subtitle editor that can do the conversion.
But two more questions: May I chose several subtitles in autoGK? I want the forced subs in german and english...

I know I can use external Subs in AutoGK. If I press ctrl in AutoGK, the hidden options appear. F8 doesn't do anything at all... would be great, if the subs work on standalones...
Thanks a lot!
Brösel

[setarip_old]

IN DVD SubEdit, run OCR and save as .SRT...

[manono]

But SubtitileCreater doesn't accept .sup format.
If you have a recent version of SubtitleCreator, then Tools->Manipulate SUP or VobSub.
May I chose several subtitles in autoGK? I want the forced subs in german and english...
Like one on top of the other, showing at the same time and both burned into the video? I don't think it's designed for that. I think you can probably add one the normal way and the IDX/SUB for the 2nd one via the CTRL-F8 command. But don't hold me to that as I've never tried it. The 2nd one will have to be raised or lowered (probably raised) so it's above or below the 1st one.
If I press ctrl in AutoGK, the hidden options appear. F8 doesn't do anything at all...
It's supposed to show up after you open a video. Not for you? Are you using a reasonably recent version of AutoGK? And it's CTRL-F8.
would be great, if the subs work on standalones...

Well, if your standalone DVD/MPEG-4 player supports subs, and you make them in a format it supports, then it should play them. Not too many support them in IDX/SUB format, I don't think, so you may have to OCR them to SRT.

[Broesel]

Hi!
Just found the time to give it an other shot:
I'm using AutoGK 2.4, latest Version. After I opened the .ifo, I press CTRL+F8: As I said: CTRL opens the hidden options of AutoGK, F8 doesn't do anything at all...
After having pressed once F9 (which opens the hidden options as well), I pressed CTRL+F8 again, and here we are: The line for external subs finally show up!
I want the forced subtitles available in two languages (if possible): Watching the movie in english, I want the english subs, watching it in german, I want the german ones... not both subs at the same time of course!!! But I guess, that this won't work.
It's weired: I can remember, that when I did the same procedure some years ago (with an older version of autoGK of course), I never had the problems that the forced subs wouldn't appear properly (same movie), just checking the little box "forced subs only". Maybe I should go for an older version of autoGK?
The conversion of the subs (using subtitle creator) works fine now!
Thanks & regards,
Brösel

[manono]

Hi-
Watching the movie in english, I want the english subs, watching it in german, I want the german ones
When playing on a computer, of course you can have it that way with the IDX/SUB files. When playing on a standalone, it depends on the subs format it'll accept. I have heard of standalones that play SRT subs where you can choose the language you want. It involves labeling the 2 separate files properly so you can choose the one you want with the remote control. I personally have had no experience with this. Perhaps some others have.
I can remember, that when I did the same procedure some years ago (with an older version of autoGK of course), I never had the problems that the forced subs wouldn't appear properly (same movie), just checking the little box "forced subs only".
Then the DVDs with which you worked had true Forced Subs. But if the foreign or alien talk has its own separate sub stream, then they're no longer Forced Subs, and checking the "Forced Subs" box will give you no subs at all.

[Broesel]

Hi again!
Thanks for your explainations!
Last question: Let's say, I'd insist on several subtitles (forget about the stand-alone-option): Thank's to you, I know how I can get any subtitle in any language in any format.
But what would you recommand as final output? The blank movie (*.avi) (without any subs), and save in the same folder all the different subtitles? Or is there a way to join the different subtitles in the movie itself? Not in AutoGK, as far as I know! What's a good way to do it?
Thanks!
Brösel

[CWR03]

Use the .MKV container and you can import multiple subs as streams which can be selected for playback.

[manono]

Hi-

AutoGK just works with one substream at a time and strips out the others. The original IDX/SUB subs have them all in there and it's a simple matter to switch around the various languages when playing the AVI. This won't work on a standalone, but for computer playback, just get the original IDX/SUB file. You do that in VobSub Configure (comes included in VobSub). Here's the Doom9 guide:

http://www.doom9.org/dvobsub.htm

[Broesel]

Hi folks!
Thanks a lot!!! All working fine now!
See you,
Brösel