DVDFab updated to support DVD-Audio/CPPM! [Archive]

ToddG

11th July 2007, 18:48

I don't have any DVD-Audio or CPPM protected discs to test this on, but it's interesting to note that the latest beta version of DVDFab HD Decrypter says it supports DVD-Audio & CPPM.

http://www.dvdfab.com/free.htm [edited to fix URL]

3.1.4.5 Beta (Jul 10, 2007)
- New: Added support for CPPM protection, which is used on DVD-Audio disc.
- New: Copy DVD-Audio disc in "Full Disc" and "Clone" modes.
To burn DVD-Audio backup disc, please use "Clone" mode for now.
- New: Copy Non-DVD files, like "JACKET_P" folder.
- New: Added options "Copy DVD-Video", "Copy DVD-Audio" and
"Copy Non-DVD Files" in "Full Disc" mode.

DVDFab just keeps getting better. CSS/CPPM/AACS/etc. :)

linx05

12th July 2007, 04:32

It seems fishy to me that right after this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1022872&postcount=5) was brought to light, they added it in. We already know they use lgpl source code without even showing it in their license. But that's a whole other thread.

Good to see they keep it updated.

burfadel

12th July 2007, 09:12

I would also like to point out that certain 'people' claim it has spyware in it, it doesn't, its just so good that it has certain unnamed companies panicking. They're lucky because its made from an area where they, unlike the maker of DVD decrypter , free from possible sueings! lol.

evdberg

12th July 2007, 11:46

It seems fishy to me that right after this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1022872&postcount=5) was brought to light, they added it in. We already know they use lgpl source code without even showing it in their license.

This is the reason why I never release any sourcecodes ... I know how Fengtao works ...

ron spencer

12th July 2007, 12:38

So you would release the DVD2One source code if Fengtao was not here? LOL!!!!

Seriously though....nobody here is going to make a program with the source code and host it in fear of reprisal....so in this case perhaps hurray is in order for Fengtao for making it in the first place.

burfadel

12th July 2007, 20:14

With all the negativity they've been getting over the DVDfab decrypter, it may become unavailable at some point in the future. It is a company after all, and with all the negativity over the dvd decrypter software, a lot of which I suspect has been fabricated because it does its job so well, they may not be able to justify having a free version as it shows negatively for the full product. Even if if does send in reports about failed disks, which I don't think it does, it only uses that information to resolve the incompatibility so it works in the future, and I do not have a problem with that. Anyways, I just hope people don't go off it because of the false spyware claims - (and yes they are false and fabricated, ask any reputable security company like Nortons, Lavasoft, spybot etc etc). because that will be bad in the long run.

evdberg

12th July 2007, 20:57

So you would release the DVD2One source code if Fengtao was not here? LOL!!!!

I only mentioned him because this thread is about DVDfab ... there are others doing the same (i.e. making money with other people's hard work), or even much worse. At least Fengtao is giving away the decrypter for free, although he also uses the same code in his paid products.

awhitehead

12th July 2007, 21:46

This is the reason why I never release any sourcecodes ... I know how Fengtao works ...

Thank you for clarifying that, Erwin.

blutach

12th July 2007, 23:28

We are all aware of the battles between Fengtao and digi (and perhaps others) that are so public.

Let's try not to let it spill over here at Doom9.

Regards

Nedfu

14th July 2007, 18:28

Tested on Michael McDonald Motown DVD-A, and it works!

Use full disc mode, check all 3 boxes for what to rip, then drop the /audio_ts/ and /video_ts/ folders into Imgburn in Build mode, set to iso9660+UDF mode and burn.

abcx

15th July 2007, 08:11

RedFox 1

22nd July 2007, 19:48

We are all aware of the battles between Fengtao and digi (and perhaps others) that are so public.

Let's try not to let it spill over here at Doom9.

Regards
I agree Les, Doom9 is way too respected to have this kind of chatter here. :confused:

mdkusr

23rd July 2007, 19:58

Does DVD-A ripping take care of water-marks too?

Thanks

No

That is why I am here. Looking for an answer. My DVD Player (Rotel RDV-1060) picks them up and stops playing 15 seconds or so into a track. The high bitrate PCM streams continue to play however.

-M

evdberg

24th July 2007, 19:15

15 seconds is exactly the framesize of the Verance watermark ...

mdkusr

24th July 2007, 23:08

15 seconds is exactly the framesize of the Veriance watermark ...

Thats pretty much what I thought. We need a way to kill that watermark somehow.

-S

abcx

27th July 2007, 10:53

Thats pretty much what I thought. We need a way to kill that watermark somehow.

-SIt's been done by Princeton CS professor Ed Felten, but the MPAA killed that research. :(

Doom9

27th July 2007, 11:57

Actually it was the RIAA that tried to bully the researchers... however, at some point they retracted and the paper (http://www.usenix.org/events/sec01/craver.pdf) was still published.

abcx

28th July 2007, 07:46

Actually it was the RIAA that tried to bully the researchers... however, at some point they retracted and the paper (http://www.usenix.org/events/sec01/craver.pdf) was still published.Right, of course it was the RIAA not the MPAA. Thanks for the correction. 'twas late when I wrote that.

That said, I never knew that the paper was subsequently published. I wonder why nobody's written a tool to strip the watermark if the code has been published - kind of surprising...I would write it if I had the know-how, but my programming skills are, frankly, pitiful.

HyperHacker

29th July 2007, 07:08

Possibly because the link seems to be dead.

buzzqw

29th July 2007, 08:21

the link is OK

here a mirror for you http://www.64k.it/andres/data/c/craver.pdf

BHH

ron spencer

29th July 2007, 14:06

hopefully Fengtao will read it :-)

linx05

30th July 2007, 10:42

hopefully Fengtao will read it :-)lol more like read someone elses code.

blutach

30th July 2007, 11:05

@linx05

Please re-read post 9 above. Thanks.

Regards

frenchglen

31st July 2007, 02:48

I don't care who does it.

It's about time watermarking was defeated so we can finally make copies of our DVD-Audios that actually work.

blutach

3rd January 2008, 00:01

Perhaps you should contact fengtao, as he has obviously made some effort with DVD-A.

Regards

frenchglen

4th January 2008, 00:27

Ok, well I'll update you,

Yesterday he got back within an hour which was great. He said

"I know this document [http://www.usenix.org/events/sec01/craver.pdf ], but I'm afraid that we will not use it in near future, since DVD-A market is too small."

I've asked him if he knows anyone else who might be interested in doing it as a side project. :D and am waiting for his response.

blutach

4th January 2008, 04:13

I expect you are SOL.

Regards

BeatCrazy

16th March 2008, 20:34

frenchglen

16th March 2008, 21:41

Any found any updates on this topic?

I can use DVDFab HD Decrypter to get the entire disc on my HDD, but I can't figure out how to burn the file. Old DVDDecrypter doesn't like to burn it as an ISO. Also using Nero8, and it doesn't make a compatible disc in Burn DVD File modes either.
There are three programs I know about, which can create image/disc from audio_ts folder.

1. Discjuggler Professional Edition. $50. But well worth it. Very easy to use, and either burn to a cdi image (mountable with daemon tools lite) or disc.

2. Imgburn. Free. May or may not work with your player, you have to know exactly how to do it, and I had trouble with it working on my player anyway. I think UltraISO can do it too, but again not sure about its success.

3. Gear Pro Mastering Edition. $400. Apparently is the "best" solution/more reliable/greatest chances it will work with different DVD-A players, but discjuggler has been fine for all my discs I've backed up and tested on my Pioneer player.

There's also one, possibly two other methods I know of but like option 2 they have limited success.

BeatCrazy

16th March 2008, 22:47

Thanks for the recommendations. Obviously, I'm gonna see how far I can get with Imgburn, since it's free. Do I need to burn both the Audio_TS and Video_TS onto the disc?

EDIT: got it to work with Imgburn, thanks! Looks I'm running into Verance problems, however. I have 3 DVD-A players, this is how the resulting backup works:

Denon DVD-3910: plays for about 30 seconds
Pioneer DV-59AVi: plays for about 30 seconds
Pioneer DV-578A: plays all the way through, no problem. Too bad this is my least favorite player, as far as sound-wise.

Wilbert

16th March 2008, 23:29

EDIT: got it to work with Imgburn, thanks! Looks I'm running into Verance problems, however. I have 3 DVD-A players, this is how the resulting backup works:

Denon DVD-3910: plays for about 30 seconds
Pioneer DV-59AVi: plays for about 30 seconds
Sounds like watermarks?

BeatCrazy

16th March 2008, 23:45

Sounds like watermarks?

Yeah, I'm certain that's what it is.

frenchglen

17th March 2008, 13:53

BeatCrazy

17th March 2008, 14:25

Yeah, it's kind of a bitter sweet victory. Now that I'm finally (after years of trying) able to (kind of) back up my long out-of-print DVD-A's, I can only play them back on my "worst" player, one that's not even hooked up to surround (2.0 only).

I guess it's better than nothing.... I'd be curious if anyone had an Oppo 980H or 983H and have tried these back ups.

yeah, if you can manage to have a player that doesn't contain a watermark detector, and that you like, you're lucky. some pioneer do, some don't. or, you could just go HTPC, which is getting better all the time, especially this year for audio.

I find it frustrating that they've made it hard to back up your own DVD-As. or, disappointed that there's not been enough interest to defeat watermark yet.

ron spencer

17th March 2008, 17:40

I doubt you will find any player without the Verance.

However, you can reauthor the stuff to the DVD Video zone as 96/24 is in DVD spec....that will work

BeatCrazy

17th March 2008, 18:34

I doubt you will find any player without the Verance.

However, you can reauthor the stuff to the DVD Video zone as 96/24 is in DVD spec....that will work

My Pioneer DV-578A plays the backups with no problem. But, I see your point.

Can you point me in the direction of how to reauthor the 24/96 2.0 tracks?

ron spencer

17th March 2008, 19:00

mommyman

17th March 2008, 19:03

I doubt you will find any player without the Verance.

As rule of thumb the main part of MT1389 based players don't check watermarks, when Zoran & Panasonic do. Zoran's firmware is hackable about this.

BeatCrazy

17th March 2008, 19:11

well you need to use an authoring package that permits this, like DVDLab....or join all the audio into one big wav and make chapters via dummy audio. It is easy with 2.0...5.1 is tougher.

look on video help for audio only dvd tutorial.

see:

http://forum.videohelp.com/topic300631.html

Thank you.

As rule of thumb the main part of MT1389 based players don't check watermarks, when Zoran & Panasonic do. Zoran's firmware is hackable about this.

It would appear the Oppo 980H uses the MT1389. Not sure if their newest 983H does.

evdberg

17th March 2008, 19:25

Can you point me in the direction of how to reauthor the 24/96 2.0 tracks?

Using the Audio Remaster functionality of DVD2one you can do this quite easily.

BeatCrazy

17th March 2008, 19:33

Using the Audio Remaster functionality of DVD2one you can do this quite easily.

Interesting, I will likely try the trial version. In the long run, it may be easier to simply buy a new DVD player (Oppo 980H) assuming it can support backups.

ron spencer

17th March 2008, 20:57

does audio remaster alter the files at all? If you already have 96/24 will it leave the files alone?

tteich

17th March 2008, 21:49

yeah, if you can manage to have a player that doesn't contain a watermark detector, and that you like, you're lucky. some pioneer do, some don't. or, you could just go HTPC, which is getting better all the time, especially this year for audio.

I find it frustrating that they've made it hard to back up your own DVD-As. or, disappointed that there's not been enough interest to defeat watermark yet.

I *think* my Technics DVD-A10 doesn't care about the watermark. But to be sure I'd have to rip and make a 1:1 copy of one of my DVD-A's. Does DVDAExplorer or DVDFab allow to *just copy* the Audio_ts folder to HDD, or do I have to extract the tracks to wav-files and author a new disk?

elshagon

18th March 2008, 00:20

I *think* my Technics DVD-A10 doesn't care about the watermark. But to be sure I'd have to rip and make a 1:1 copy of one of my DVD-A's. Does DVDAExplorer or DVDFab allow to *just copy* the Audio_ts folder to HDD, or do I have to extract the tracks to wav-files and author a new disk?

DVD-Fab will create an iso of your entire dvd-audio video + audio ts(in clone mode - make sure to uncheck "copy video data only"). You can then burn the disc using imageburn. You still have the watermark to worry about, but as mentioned here already there's players out there that don't care about the watermark. DVD-A explorer will rip the individual tracks into mlp or wav which is useful in re-authoring a disc of your own with mixed tracks from multiple albums.

tteich

18th March 2008, 00:26

DVD-Fab will create an iso of your entire dvd-audio video + audio ts(in clone mode - make sure to uncheck "copy video data only"). You can then burn the disc using imageburn. You still have the watermark to worry about, but as mentioned here already there's players out there that don't care about the watermark. DVD-A explorer will rip the individual tracks into mlp or wav which is useful in re-authoring a disc of your own with mixed tracks from multiple albums.
Thx elshagon, will try out DVD-Fab.

elshagon

18th March 2008, 00:29

BTW here's a list of players I've heard don't honor the watermark from dvd-audio discs. This means you could back-up your dvd-audio and play them, or even re-author your own mixes.

OPPO
980 H

BBK
718SI
721
725
985s
1010S
DK-1910Si

LG
DK 487X
DF 599

Pioneer
575
578A
600
696

Rotel
RDV 1080

Samsung
P 355
P 355KD

Toshiba
SD530E

Yamaha
657
S1500

tteich

18th March 2008, 23:29

BeatCrazy,

DVDFab can not only create entire ISO copied image, but also extract the AUDIO_TS folder. Of course, it can also extract VIDEO_TS at the same time, decrypting both CPPM and CSS, their respective copy protections. Then you go back to the loop of your ogirinal question.
Which, by the way, I forgot to add, another FREE and OPEN-SOURCE tool to burn AUDIO_TS folder to ISO! And this one probably does work perfectly, but haven't tested it.
It's a command-line tool within the DVD-A tools project, called mkisofs. Info on this page: http://dvd-audio.sourceforge.net/howto.shtml
It's Step 2.

From now on DVDFab and DVD-Audio Explorer are the only two programs we need to backup/rip DVD-Audio discs! No need for those other tacky tools and messy workarounds. If you want to go completely free, just use the raw libdvdcpxm tool to decrypt DVD-A and then extract the folder.

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About making 24/96 PCM discs ("DAD", Digital Audio Disc, is a term that some record companies gave it for commercial releases), Audio DVD Creator is another good program, $40 but very easy to use.
Yes, but at the moment the watermark prevents us from making real back-ups. I'm bringing this up as my Metallica-Elektra and the Eagles-Hotel California start to show scratches and I feel the need to burn them onto a fresh DVD-R sometimes soon in order to play them with a real DVD-A player and keep the precious original discs. I'm not promoting copyright infringement here, but I use discs like these ones to show DVD-A capabilities very often to interested friends and colleagues.

frenchglen

19th March 2008, 00:28

Yes, but at the moment the watermark prevents us from making real back-ups. I'm bringing this up as my Metallica-Elektra and the Eagles-Hotel California start to show scratches and I feel the need to burn them onto a fresh DVD-R sometimes soon in order to play them with a real DVD-A player and keep the precious original discs. I'm not promoting copyright infringement here, but I use discs like these ones to show DVD-A capabilities very often to interested friends and colleagues.
tteich,
at the moment the best thing you can do is either get a standalone player that doesn't detect watermarks, or get/build a HTPC and play with PowerDVD, etc.

If I was you I'd make a backup of your two disks mentioned now, before they scratch more. Who knows, some solution might come up one day, save your disks now before it's too late.

BeatCrazy

19th March 2008, 01:24

Thanks for the good tips. I found a great solution (via your earlier recommendation) with just DVD Fab HD Decrypter (free version) and ImgBurn. I'm able to make backups no problem.

However, I do run into watermarks still. We can add the Pioneer DV-578A to the list "Ignores Watermarks". My backups play perfect on this, all the way through in hi-rez.

BeatCrazy,

DVDFab can not only create entire ISO copied image, but also extract the AUDIO_TS folder. Of course, it can also extract VIDEO_TS at the same time, decrypting both CPPM and CSS, their respective copy protections. Then you go back to the loop of your ogirinal question.
Which, by the way, I forgot to add, another FREE and OPEN-SOURCE tool to burn AUDIO_TS folder to ISO! And this one probably does work perfectly, but haven't tested it.
It's a command-line tool within the DVD-A tools project, called mkisofs. Info on this page: http://dvd-audio.sourceforge.net/howto.shtml
It's Step 2.

From now on DVDFab and DVD-Audio Explorer are the only two programs we need to backup/rip DVD-Audio discs! No need for those other tacky tools and messy workarounds. If you want to go completely free, just use the raw libdvdcpxm tool to decrypt DVD-A and then extract the folder.

------

About making 24/96 PCM discs ("DAD", Digital Audio Disc, is a term that some record companies gave it for commercial releases), Audio DVD Creator is another good program, $40 but very easy to use.

tteich

22nd March 2008, 21:15

Just a short notice about DVDFab:

I tried the new v4.110 Beta, and was *not* able to process a DVD-A successfully. The program copies the DVD-Video part (VIDEO_TS), but crashes when it comes to the first AOB in AUDIO_TS.

However, the last official version v4.102 (currently downloadable from their website) works, so don't bother downloading the beta.