BD+ Unbreakable for 10 Years says Richard Doherty of Envisioneering Group

[RXP]

In the latest issue of HMM Richard Doherty a Media analyist with Envisioneering Group says " BD +, Unlike AACS, Which suffered a partial Hack Last Year, Won't likely be breached for 10 years." Doherty said "and if so The damage would effect one film and one player."

He also said BD + Offers 4 time the safeguards on top of aacs against piracy. All Blu-Ray Players are equipped with BD +.

example of BD+:
Doherty cited Sony theoretically releasing Spiderman 3 on Blu-Ray and allowing consumers to download the film to an Ipod or streaming copy on a home network. Should a breach occur in digital or physical form, Dohert said BD+ would let Sony circumvent the damage more quickly compared to AACS because the hacked movie could only be played on a particular Sony Player.

Original article is available at: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=871371

Amazing, talk about baiting hackers :cool:

[kumi]

Yeah... have you googled this company? Previous "interviews" and "reports" on Sony by the folks at Envisioneering Group show exactly what side their bread is buttered on... they're obviously a PR firm owned or hired by Sony to make independent-sounding, upbeat pronouncements about the glorious Sony product line.

[woah!]

the way the format war is going, 10 years is how long it might take to win if ever. i took the red pill anyway...

[awhitehead]

It would help if there were any BD+ discs out in the first place.
Then we could validate or disprove this claim.

As it is, it's just words.

[nullstuff]

...yes, and my grandma got wheels. :)

«if u can play it, u can copy it.» - ancient chinese proverb.

-- nullstuff

[cwl7454]

Hmm, Let me see, been a member for 5 years and has only made 3 posts; tell me that this could not be a fox watching the hen house?

[3r1c]

What they said is completely wrong.

Once bd+ is cracked, the same cracking method can be used by everyone to decrypt their discs, the only thing we cant do is share the key because its different for each disc.

Anyway it only takes one person to decrypt the disc and upload it to bittorrent :)

[dvy]

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[HyperHacker]

That's not ideal, though, for two reasons:
1) AFAIK, downloading/copying someone else's backup is illegal. Only making your own is legal.
2) Finding 50GB BD ISOs on P2P? More like poorly-encoded low-resolution MKVs/OGMs with logos slapped all over them.

If the key is going to be different for each disc then I forsee it being a cat-and-mouse game. Hackers find a way to read the key from the player just as they do with AACS. They write a program that automates the process so the average user can get their key and make a copy. The player manufacturers patch it. Lather, rinse, repeat.

[zeroprobe]

2) Finding 50GB BD ISOs on P2P? More like poorly-encoded low-resolution MKVs/OGMs with logos slapped all over them.

Speak for yourself.

[nullstuff]

MKVs/OGMs with logos slapped all over them
...logos/watermarking is strictly prohibited by the scene standards (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/Tdx2005.gif).

-- nullstuff

[bourke]

I hope BD+ doesn't rely on a secure JVM ;-) (http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/security/0,39044215,62028389,00.htm)

[Ajax_Undone]

Oh my god that's so funny I forgot to laugh. Is this guy serious frigging clown...

My aching arse ten years... What a bold load of crap!

One maybe two years at tops... And that includes time to reverse engineer and make a successfully running app that has had at leased two reversions and a few running on different platforms...

[noclip]

I give it a month after the first BD+ disc is released.

[Tack]

Based on what I've read about BD+, I'd give it much longer than a month.

[sarah99]

I give it a month after the first BD+ disc is released.

10 days tops.

[mikecito]

No matter what protection they put on it, at SOME POINT it has to be in a format that your eyes can see. At that point, it is NOT encrypted. Therefore, the bits and bytes can be copied.

BD+ will accomplish its purpose by making it inconvenient to copy movies, thus stopping the average Joe.

And yes, all it takes is ONE seed, and the whole world can download.

[Tack]

No matter what protection they put on it, at SOME POINT it has to be in a format that your eyes can see. At that point, it is NOT encrypted. Therefore, the bits and bytes can be copied.I doubt anybody here will argue that DRM isn't fundamentally broken, but the question isn't can BD+ be broken, but when will it be.

10 years is rather naive, IMHO, but so is a month. BD+ is intrinsically different from what we've seen, and it will take time to grok it, which includes developing the tactics and tools to prod it.

My intuitive guess is between 1-2 years, but not inside the year following the first BD+ enabled disk. And I'd be delighted to be wrong.

[bourke]

10 years is rather naive, IMHO, but so is a month. BD+ is intrinsically different from what we've seen, and it will take time to grok it, which includes developing the tactics and tools to prod it.

My intuitive guess is between 1-2 years, but not inside the year following the first BD+ enabled disk. And I'd be delighted to be wrong.
If AACS took less than two months duration (not effort) then there is no way that BD+ can outlast six months of solid effort! And people on this forum and others will give it solid effort!

I don't understand why you think BD+ will take longer just because it is 'different'?! ACCS was different when people started on it and it took two months.