Any tools for authoring h264/VC1 to blu-ray yet?

[3r1c]

Im wondering if there are any tools out there yet capable of authoring h264 or VC1 to blu-ray discs yet?

I can only find tools for mpeg2 :(

Thanks.

[vsv]

Adobe Encore CS3 (mpeg2,h264)

[3r1c]

is that the same as adobe premiere cs3?

I wasted over an hour downloading and installing the trial of premiere cs3 and no encore :(
But adobe website says it should be included.

[Bigmango]

is that the same as adobe premiere cs3?

I wasted over an hour downloading and installing the trial of premiere cs3 and no encore :(
But adobe website says it should be included.

Encore CS3 is bundled together with Premiere Pro CS3. But it doesn't seem to be in the trial.

Another tool is Scenarist Blu-Ray authoring, if you got deep pockets.

Although none have been released yet, several el cheapo consumer tools have been anounced.

[crusty1]

You can author a blu-ray title on Scenarist but the only output formay ATM is CMF for replication. kinda pointless forking out 150k if you can't burn your own blu-ray titles.

[azurex]

you can try arcsoft's TotalMedia Extreme, but regretly currently only japanese version. downloaded from
http://www.junglejapan.com/products/av/arc/index.php

try StudioMV, it's very easy to burn BDMV content

[mmace]

I've been using Encore CS3 for h.264 output, having a couple of problems, but nothing that can't be sorted, used Encore for DVDs in the past so I know what I'm doing with it

[3r1c]

Ok i got Encore CS3.

What tool should i use to compress the blu-ray compliant h264 so that encore accepts it?

[Blue_MiSfit]

I would imagine that x264 could handle things, provided you follow any profile specific requirements that Encore imposes on authoring Blu-Ray content. Not sure what those are. Heck, do we even know officially what the Blu-Ray standards specify for H.264? IIRC, this was still unofficial!

I just hope you can actually generate elementary streams on your own, and feed them into Encore, like one would do for DVD content. Being tied to whatever H.264 encoder provided with Premiere / Encore would really suck!!

~Misfit

[Bigmango]

Encore CS3 always wants to re-encode the video, I have not found a way to avoid this.

Furthermore, I have not been able to complete even 1 authoring project with it. Every time it hangs when building the blu-ray due to an error in the video stream (but Encore has successfully re-encoded the video prior to this ?!?) :mad:

So to me this is still a buggy app.

Btw, Cyberlink have announced an update for Powerproducer to support AVCHD authoring, should be coming out mid-September.

And Corel/Ulead have anounced the same AVCHD authoring update for Moviefactory 6, also coming mid-September and for MovieStuido 11 coming in October.

[Creator1]

Encore CS3 always wants to re-encode the video, I have not found a way to avoid this.

Furthermore, I have not been able to complete even 1 authoring project with it. Every time it hangs when building the blu-ray due to an error in the video stream (but Encore has successfully re-ecoded the video prior to this ?!?) :mad:

So to me this is still a buggy app.

Btw, Cyberlink have announced an update for Powerproducer to support AVCHD authoring, should be coming out mid-September.

And Corel/Ulead have anounced the same AVCHD authoring update for Moviefactory 6, also coming mid-September and for MovieStuido 11 coming in October.

I tried Premiere Pro CS3 and found that it's pretty limited if you don't want to re-encode. In fact, it's downright bad imho.

Try TSRemux. The way to use it is described in the new container section of this forum. If you want to make menus too, you can use DVDIt Pro HD (or Premiere Pro CS3 if it supports BDMV) to do the menus and manually replace some files in the generated BDMV structure before you burn it on your BD-R disc. I know it's not all integrated and the best way to go but it seems to be the only way to get H264 with no re-encode on BDMV so far. Your framerate must match your BD player one (NTSC or PAL) and the resolution must be 1920x1080 I think for H264. I am unsure if 1440x1080 H264 will work on BDMV.

[Bigmango]

Try TSRemux. The way to use it is described in the new container section of this forum. If you want to make menus too, you can use DVDIt Pro HD (or Premiere Pro CS3 if it supports BDMV) to do the menus and manually replace some files in the generated BDMV structure before you burn it on your BD-R disc. I know it's not all integrated and the best way to go but it seems to be the only way to get H264 with no re-encode on BDMV so far. Your framerate must match your BD player one (NTSC or PAL) and the resolution must be 1920x1080 I think for H264. I am unsure if 1440x1080 H264 will work on BDMV.

The BD specs support everything (480, 720 & 1080), Scenarist and Encore CS3 also allow all of those resolutions for blu-ray.

I have tried to get tsremux to work for the past week (yes I have spent more than 20 hours on this). I had to try several muxers as tsremux didn't want to take my files (tried raw, mkv, mp4 and m2ts/ts).

The only way I was able to get an avc/ac3 file to load was by muxing it to ts with elecard xmuxer. Tsremux would then load it properly and output a blu-ray structure. This avchd structure would then play properly with nero showtime.... but it would not play on the PS3 (it hangs on a black screen; but the same avc/ac3 file plays properly in the ps3 with an mp4 container).

The other app I have tried was nero vision, but it always crashes while encoding (yes it also wants to re-encode the files :mad:) at about 80%. And anyway, nero vision only limits avchd with 2 1080i resolutions, my files are 720p so I don't want to upscale.

So after trying for several weeks: nothing works. I am desperately waiting for an updated tsremux and the cyberlink powerproducer or the ulead avchd updates, coming in 1-2 weeks.

PS: were you able to get your tsremux avchd/bd discs to play ?

[Creator1]

The BD specs support everything (480, 720 & 1080), Scenarist and Encore CS3 also allow all of those resolutions for blu-ray.

I have tried to get tsremux to work for the past week (yes I have spent more than 20 hours on this). I had to try several muxers as tsremux didn't want to take my files (tried raw, mkv, mp4 and m2ts/ts).

The only way I was able to get an avc/ac3 file to load was by muxing it to ts with elecard xmuxer. Tsremux would then load it properly and output a blu-ray structure. This avchd structure would then play properly with nero showtime.... but it would not play on the PS3 (it hangs on a black screen; but the same avc/ac3 file plays properly in the ps3 with an mp4 container).

The other app I have tried was nero vision, but it always crashes while encoding (yes it also wants to re-encode the files :mad:) at about 80%. And anyway, nero vision only limits avchd with 2 1080i resolutions, my files are 720p so I don't want to upscale.

So after trying for several weeks: nothing works. I am desperately waiting for an updated tsremux and the cyberlink powerproducer or the ulead avchd updates, coming in 1-2 weeks.

PS: were you able to get your tsremux avchd/bd discs to play ?

Well, I never tried with 720p sources before. Also, TSRemux accepts mainly .TS files, hence the name TSRemux but I think it also accepts .MPG files (MPEG2 Program Stream). I don't think this will help you for AVC though.

Are you burning your Blu-Ray structure on a DVD-R or on a BD-R? If you use DVD-Rs, did you try to put the file system to UDF 2.6? I never used DVD-Rs because I have a BD burner but from what I read here, you need to use UDF 2.6 on DVD-R discs and not UDF 2.5. I would try that next if you didn't try it yet. I don't know if it will work though.

For me, the problem seems to be that my AVC source is PAL (the one I tried) and the PS3 played back perfectly but the sound was downgraded to stereo I think and the resolution was 480p because of the PAL (my PS3 is NTSC). If I get a NTSC AVC file I'm pretty sure it would work ok with TSRemux, at least in 1080p but probably in 720p too but keep in mind that I am using BDMV and not AVCHD as my structure.

Why do you want AVCHD if the mp4 plays correctly in the dashboard? I guess it is to have the full 5.1 surround sound right?

[Bigmango]

Are you burning your Blu-Ray structure on a DVD-R or on a BD-R? If you use DVD-Rs, did you try to put the file system to UDF 2.6?


I am always burning on DVD+R, always with udf 2.60 (never tried any other udf version).


but keep in mind that I am using BDMV and not AVCHD as my structure.

Well, I am using the blu-ray structure written by tsremux, and the ps3 sees it as AVCHD.


Why do you want AVCHD if the mp4 plays correctly in the dashboard? I guess it is to have the full 5.1 surround sound right?

Yep, that's it. I want to keep the original ac3 sound. At the moment I put everything into an mp4 container with 5.1 aac, but I keep the ac3 sound files to remux everything to avchd/bdvm as soon as I find a way to make it work.

PS: I have also tried to open and write the files with h264info before muxing them.
PSS: my avc files are encoded with the megui ps3 profile, I keep them at the original 23.976 fps.

Thanks for the feedback.

[survivant]

I'm able to get H264 play on the PS3, but with no sound.

I use Procoder 3 to encode to H264 (don't know why.. can't get x264 work in this procedure).

I mux the h264 +ac3 with Xmuxer 2.5 pro after that I use TSRemux to generate the bluray structure.

I get video on the PS3.. the sound is reconize to 5.1 digital multichannels.. but no sound coming out.

if I play the file in the dashboard, work fine except downmix to stereo

[survivant]

I try Encore CS3 yesterday, I ouput H264 + ac3 in bluray structure but and burn it with Nero (udf 2.5) but the PS3 reconize it as : "Data" not AVCHD. When I use TSRemux it's reconize AVCHD perfectly.


when i check my MediaInfo the movie 00000.m2ts generated by Encore CS3 the container is : BDAM

and the 000001.m2ts generated by TSremux is BDVM.

I try to replace 00000.m2ts ->000001.m2ts in the TSRemux structure and it was reconize at AVCHD.

What I'm doing wrong ?

[lance79]

I try Encore CS3 yesterday, I ouput H264 + ac3 in bluray structure but and burn it with Nero (udf 2.5) but the PS3 reconize it as : "Data" not AVCHD. When I use TSRemux it's reconize AVCHD perfectly.


when i check my MediaInfo the movie 00000.m2ts generated by Encore CS3 the container is : BDAM

and the 000001.m2ts generated by TSremux is BDVM.

I try to replace 00000.m2ts ->000001.m2ts in the TSRemux structure and it was reconize at AVCHD.

What I'm doing wrong ?

U only need to replace index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv from the tsremux output.

Does Encore CS3 support 5.1 output? i can only get dd 2 chan to work for now.

[survivant]

U only need to replace index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv from the tsremux output.

Does Encore CS3 support 5.1 output? i can only get dd 2 chan to work for now.

Yes it support 5.1, but don't know if it's work on the PS3.

Will try tonight, if I can, CS3 -> AVC + 5.1 -> tsremux -> replace *.bdmv -> PS3

[Bigmango]

Ulead have released their Moviefactory plugin. It adds Blu-ray & AVCHD & HDDVD authoring, with menus, SD & HD resolutions, AC3 5.1, etc...

http://www.ulead.com/dmf/plugin.htm (http://www.ulead.com/dmf/plugin.htm)

[Smetvid]

does the Ulead program or any other tools allow 720p 24p content and disc creation? This is something I have not been able to find out anywhere. I would love to create 720p 24p HD-DVD discs to fit more video on a dual layer DVD and still keep the quality high.

[g0blez]

Anyone managed to remux and author 720p h.264 + ac3 into an AVCHD yet?

Just like Bigmango, whatever I tried, I always end up having the AVCHD detected by the PS3 but unable to play (black screen).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.