Introducing Celluloid: an AVISynth-based NLE

[Fizick]

IMO, people want to say that Celluloid will be first avisynth-based NLE for Mac. ;)
Right now Filmcutter is existed and works somehow for example. Also I remember some other projects (LBKiller ?).

[Yobbo]

Any progress reports on this thing?

[RadicalEd]

Any progress reports on this thing?
Well, the last time I pinged this thread, I nearly was suspended for it :(
The new site should be up this weekend (hopefully). The thing is I'm currently taking 5 classes and maintaining 5 completely different websites (one of which is a bit of a surprise that I will introduce shortly), so progress has been somewhat glacial.
I haven't received any news from Caro yet, which means AviSynth is still being stabilized for compilation on *nix. Which is alright, because we're still refining the interface design (including some very helpful outside advice from pro Mac developers) and the site needs plenty of polish in the meanwhile, so we've been keeping busy even so.

[TheFluff]

Any progress reports on this thing?
Progress? Don't be silly.

From http://avisynth2.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/avisynth2/: (posting links so you can just check yourself next time instead of bumping a thread doomed to die)

File Rev. Age Author Last log entry
Avisynth3/ 2345 7 weeks bidoche useless tags (contains only avisynth.h)
Or what about the project itself (http://celluloid.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/celluloid/):

File Rev. Age Author Last log entry
Celluloid.xcodeproj/ 6 2 months antitab Initial XCode project commit to /mockup.
mockup/ 9 7 weeks antitab Committing the new Design Mode Interface Builder shell. This is a rough draft of...

Or wait, did you mean the "trolling doom9 forums more" kind of progress? Because yeah, I can't say the progress is stalled there at all.

Edit: in before the "oh it's just 7 weeks", it should be noted that these commits were all made around the start of this thread, and since then absolutely nothing has happened. No improvements to the avisynth3 build system on OS X (there isn't even an OS X directory in the build dir on the avs3 SVN), no "interface polishing" in the Celluloid project itself, and you shouldn't even think about any real code that actually does anything.

[RadicalEd]

... in before the "oh it's just 7 weeks", it should be noted that these commits were all made around the start of this thread, and since then absolutely nothing has happened. No improvements to the avisynth3 build system on OS X (there isn't even an OS X directory in the build dir on the avs3 SVN), no "interface polishing" in the Celluloid project itself, and you shouldn't even think about any real code that actually does anything.

Hah, cute. "Around the start of this thread"? The thread started in June. The last commits were made in August.

At any rate, that's highly beside the point. As you mentioned, AviSynth hasn't seen much action. Caro is keeping me on notice when 3.0 is ready to compile on UNIX. I'll say it for the nth time -- we can't really do much until then.

Furthermore, to say that no work has gone into Celluloid is a hugely misled assumption. As you can see even from the rather sparse main page, the interface has seen a major overhaul which is still being perfected to this day. And it's not just the interface -- there are plenty of new features that will all be outlined clearly on the new site.

Finally, we're getting a new team member who is not a college CS student like the rest of us, but an actual professional programmer.

At least someone is tracking the SVN, anyway.

Also, TheFluff, might I remind you of this?Guys be civil to each other! I'm getting tired of the negative posts in this thread and won't warn again.You might want to keep your trolling to a minimum. I won't respond to any of the cheap shots made in the above post, because that would be silly. I just wanted to remind you of this, for your own sake. Tone it down. It's a WIP video editor. Nothing to get your blood pressure up about.

[honai]

As for the conduct of Celluloid's project management:

Within the next few days a massive update to the site will take effect, giving a more streamlined, descriptive, and attractive view of Celluloid's featureset. As implied in coming.png, the interface has been overhauled to feature a sleek new black glass look. And the overhaul touches on more than just aesthetics, as the timeline has been re-imagined.

That was posted on 1st September 2007, 02:41, and nothing was delivered on that promise, so it's perfectly understandable that "trolls", as you call them, get impatient and call you out on broken promises. As I've suggested numerous times, if you can't actually work on the software development side why don't you just concentrate on drawing graphics? I don't get it.

As for AVS 3.0:

AviSynth hasn't seen much action. Caro is keeping me on notice when 3.0 is ready to compile on UNIX.

Quite frankly, without any helps, Bidoche and d'Oursse will never finish avisynth 3.0. Though the progresses have been good at the beginning, the development is now stalled and imho won't start again if Bidoche doesn't find a new motivation, or if somebody doesn't continue his work.

So if nobody of the Celluloid team is actually working on AVS 3.0 it seems Celluloid is going nowhere. It might be worthwile thinking about locking this thread for the time being before more bad blood is spilled. In case of actual news or a release RadicalEd could always ask the mods to re-open it.

[snowden]

I hope you enable avi import and non-linear editing of it, even if the audio is ac3 or mp3. i nearly fainted when i loaded my avi of a tv-ep into premiere and then realised i would have a 900MB audio conformation file for each 40min show - not good! :(

[RadicalEd]

It might be worthwile thinking about locking this thread for the time being before more bad blood is spilled. In case of actual news or a release RadicalEd could always ask the mods to re-open it.It's for this and other reasons (on other forums) that I won't be posting further updates on any forum after the long-time-coming one. Interested parties can subscribe to our RSS and discussion can take place on our own forum, where individuals who are actually interested in the project rather than merely interested in flaming the project (note the difference between flaming and constructive criticism) may coalesce.

The fact that a few days for the site update has become over a month is an apt criticism: the fact is, updates fell on top of themselves and this update has grown from an interface overhaul, += a site overhaul, += features, += site features, and is still being worked on. Aside from that, on 1 September I wasn't up to my neck in college work.

I've been in touch with Bidoche about the progress of AviSynth 3.0, all he told me was that it currently needed a parser. I discussed this with Dave, but I guess he never got into it. I'll be in further contact with the pro developer that's joining us in the coming days, so we'll see what we can do to help out. But the last I knew, 3.0 was compiling on Windows and just needed to be fixed up for UNIX.

[Ebobtron]

It's for this and other reasons (on other forums) that I won't be posting further updates on any forum after the long-time-coming one.I am sorry, but huh ?

I thought I would look around and see if you have any other fans out there, somewhere, and ran accross this http://www.vasst.com/celluloid/.

Google-ing Celluloid returns 4,280,000 results () so maybe a project name change is an idea.

http://celluloid.sourceforge.net/ page titled "Nothing to see here, move along" looks like you are moving backwards. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Sad to see. Still wishing you luck.

[RadicalEd]

maybe a project name change is an idea.
Possibly, if I'm struck with something reasonably better and more unique, but it's not a big priority.
http://celluloid.sourceforge.net/ page titled "Nothing to see here, move along" looks like you are moving backwards. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
While we did go from a full website to a worthless placeholder, I'd rather have a teaser than outdated and no longer accurate info/mockups.
Still wishing you luck.
Appreciate it :)

[buddamint]

RadicalEd,

don't worry about the negativity... celluloid can be a very cool app, and made correctly I'm sure it will be worth the effort and time.


cheers to celluloid :cool:

[cestfait]

So, is this editor really hinging on Avisynth 3.0, or are you and your developers working with what has been released so far? From what I have heard of Avisynth 3.0, its code is both arabesque and somewhat lost in translation/AWOL-ness/laziness. I have no idea, of course, what you all are up to, but you might consider trying to port the latest Avisynth and just make a big shift (or v2.0) if/when 3.0 is released.

I know that we all would love to play around with even just a prototype Celluloid. Who knows, you might even be able to speed up development with more people using the program. At any rate it would stop all of these attacks you are getting about being unproductive. I've definitely been there. It is important to recognize that they come out of impatience and selfishness (i.e. "give me a new toy, now!") more than constructive skepticism.

In any case, honor aside, it might not be a bad idea to cater to the masses (especially if Apple is your model ;) ).

I know-- as I post this things are accelerating, if not nearing a close, but I just thought I would put my ideas out there anyway.

Good luck, and bravo on your courage in taking on such a massive project.


P.S. I don't know what you plan on including, but please include MVTools etc. and a CLI window for more script-oriented folks. MC denoising is really pretty impossible to beat, and so are "limited" functions in general.