Direct Command

[Fisticuffs]

I've been using DVD Remake Pro to hide the stuffs i don't want, and PgcEdit to jump to the movie/menu when insert.


I'd like to push a button and it go directly to that command (push play and it go directly to the movie) and not run through any dead or blanked out cell/command like in DVD Remake Pro.


Name of the program and how to do it would be greatly appreciated.

[blutach]

Instead of going to the menu with PgcEdit, go to the movie PGC instead - you can go to any PGC using this function of PgcEdit.

Regards

[r0lZ]

You can also modify the commands manually. See this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=733015#post733015). You will have to adapt the method somewhat, but it's relatively easy.

[Fisticuffs]

Blutach - I'm already using Jeanl's jump to movie method with PgcEdit :)


thanks r0lZ, I've checked out that same thread before but didnt read it throughly, i will cuz of ya :thanks: most of the helpful stuffs is by u or 2COOL, just give me some time to try it out lol

I used to use the hide method for everything now I'm gonna use the delete method with DVD Remake Pro, then try your method (link above) with PgcEdit. I'll start out with DVD Remake Pro to hide buttons and delete crap, then Jeanl's jump to movie method, then correct the deleted stuff's commands.

What I'm trying to do is prefect the dvd, get rid of all unused command to not only save space and make it as much as the original DVD as possible without all the crap (warnings, logos, previews, bunch of extras in special feature etc...) I've checked out while a few threads about this but i would like to know which one u recommend.

[blutach]

jeanl's method is obsolete Fistcuffs. See the inbuilt function in PgcEdit (http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/index.html).

Guide (http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/blutach/How_to_use_PgcEdit_new_macro.htm).

Regards

[r0lZ]

Right, blu. The "Jump to PGC upon DVD insert" function is easier. However, jeanl's method is still a good starting point to learn how to do it manually, and the guide is very didactic. The method can then be adapted to skip useless material, from any point in the DVD. That's the subject of the thread given above.

[Fisticuffs]

You can also modify the commands manually. See this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=733015#post733015). You will have to adapt the method somewhat, but it's relatively easy.

Where's the "Clear 'Register Changed' Flags" button?

PGCEdit have change so much since u wrote that, how about a quick how to or better yet a guide bro?

[r0lZ]

This function has not changed. It is in the Trace menu (available only in trace mode) -> State

[Fisticuffs]

jeanl's method is obsolete Fistcuffs. See the inbuilt function in PgcEdit (http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/index.html).

Guide (http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/blutach/How_to_use_PgcEdit_new_macro.htm).

Regards



Your guide works great, got one thing i keep on wondering about. For the tip in step 9 about setting audio and subtitle, how do i go about doing that?

I set it just on the main movie right and not on every PGC that i see.

[blutach]

Easiest thing to do is to run to the language menu and then come back to the main menu and only then call the function.

Or you can use a SetSTN in the PGC you want (make sure it is correctly executed before the break - use Trace mode to ensure it is)

Regards

[Fisticuffs]

Or you can use a SetSTN in the PGC you want (make sure it is correctly executed before the break - use Trace mode to ensure it is)

Regards



like the 2Cool's guides

http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/2cool/subtitles/subtitles_on_default_pgcedit.htm

http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/2cool/subtitles/subtitles_off_default_pgcedit.htm

so do the 2Cool's guide first then use your guide?
btw is there a newer version for the 2Cool's guides? (set audio & subtitle)

[blutach]

Use either method.

It seems to me that if you have audio/subpic menus, you may as well run thru them first (assuming the disk is properly authored, as the vast majority are).

If you don't have menus, you can select the defaulkt stream when you re-author (eg with DVD Shrink).

Regards

[Fisticuffs]

It seems to me that if you have audio/subpic menus, you may as well run thru them first
Regards



how do i run through them?

[Fisticuffs]

i thought all i gotta do is find SPRM and set it to 0 (as in off for subtitle) based on this

"Watch the registers to see that your selected audio and subtitle streams (SPRM 1 and 2) are selected."

[blutach]

Setting SPRM 2 to 0 will certainly not display any subbies. Just ensure that no VM Command sets it on again before the title is played.

For example:

1 (SetSTN) Set Sub-picture stream = 0, off
(commands 2-6 go in here)
7 (SetSTN) Set Sub-picture stream = gprm(8)
8 Break
(Commands 9 and on follow)


Regards

[Fisticuffs]

where do i check the VM command?

[blutach]

In the precommands of the title.

Regards

[r0lZ]

IMO, it is easier (and safer) to just use the Jump to PGC trick.

As you know, you have to set a breakpoint on the target PGC (the main menu in your case) and then trace to that PGC. Instead of applying the function directly when the breakpoint is reached, just continue to trace, and navigate to your subtitles menu. Select the configuration you want, just like you would do on a real player. Then return to the main menu, still using the trace. When you have reached the breakpoint again, apply the Jump to PGC function.
Of course, you can also select your preferred audio stream if you wish.

This way, the configuration you have defined will be used by default, but your subtitle menu will continue to work as expected. The other method, explained by blutach, forces a specific subpic configuration each time you play the main movie, regardless of what the user has selected in the subtitle menu.

The drawback of the Jump to PGC + Language selection method is that everything that is normally played before the main menu (including the menu intro) will be skipped (but usually it's a good thing!)

[Fisticuffs]

You can also modify the commands manually. See this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=733015#post733015). You will have to adapt the method somewhat, but it's relatively easy.




For your guide. I'm stuck on step 6, the movie and menu is both in the same VTS. I've tried both the JumpVTS_TT and JumpTT command but couldnt get it to work. Can u give it to me step by step maybe I'm not putting it in right.

[r0lZ]

You must use a JumpVTS_TT to the TTN number of your movie PGC, not to the Title number. That must work.

If you are still in trouble, select the movie PGC, and post the output of Info -> PGC.

[Fisticuffs]

You must use a JumpVTS_TT to the TTN number of your movie PGC, not to the Title number. That must work.

If you are still in trouble, select the movie PGC, and post the output of Info -> PGC.



step by step plz

and TTN stands for?

[r0lZ]

TTN means Title Number in Titleset. It's not the global title number that your player displays.
Look at your title PGC in the left pane. It says something like VTST 1, 2 TTN 3 (1:30) Title 4
In this example, the TTN number is 3.

Now, select the menu PGC, and launch the menu editor. Click on the big button with the command, go to the "Alphabetically" menu, and select JumpVTS_TT. Enter the TTN number in the GUI and accept. Save the DVD and test it with a software player, or with PgcEdit in trace mode.
That's all.

[Fisticuffs]

woooohooooooooooooooooo


it work!!!



:thanks: rolZ

[Fisticuffs]

it works fine when i hit just play, but if i go to the audio/subtitle set up or the scene selection before i hit play, it would show the stuffs i thought i have already skip over (warnings and studio logo)



and how do i just delete those useless stuffs? (warnings, previews and studio logo)

[r0lZ]

Trace through them, exactly the same way, and each time you see something you don't want to keep, tick the "blank this cell" checkbox.
Sometimes, PgcEdit may ask if you want to completely kill the playback of a PGC because all cells have been blanked. If you see such dialogs, answer yes.

[Fisticuffs]

where's the "blank this cell" checkbox?

all i see is "Blank out all Menu PGCs" and "Kill PGC Playback"

[blutach]

When you are doing a trace with the preview on. It is in the preview box.

Regards

[Fisticuffs]

When you are doing a trace with the preview on. It is in the preview box.

Regards



I don't see it in the preview box, the only checkbox I see is the "Info" checkbox.

[blutach]

In the trace pane, tick the little box to the right of setup and to the left of the X. The ensure preview is on. Then run the trace. Each cell is previewed and down the bottom is the option to blank.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5323/10262007185004nr6.png

Regards

[Fisticuffs]

The trace mode don't work after I used DVD Remake Pro.



r0lZ if ya can get PGCEdit to work with DVD Remake Pro it would be so great, combining the two most useful prog.

[blutach]

Then you have user error. I have never had a project that won't load into PgcEdit after running it thru DVDRMP.

This is not something to ask of the developers.

Regards

[r0lZ]

The trace mode don't work after I used DVD Remake Pro.What's the problem? Can you describe exactly what happens?

[Fisticuffs]

I never said it won't load, it loads just fine. It's just the trace mode don't work after DVDRMP have been used. Always shows the below for everything. Even for something as small as hide (not delete) a subtitle and i ran it through FixVTS before. Same thing shows up for hiding audio and previews & warnings.


------> Entering VMG , First-Play PGC
******* Dummy PGC: no cell to play.
------> End of post commands: Exiting! DVD Playback end!

[blutach]

Are there any commands in First play PGC? Because if there are none, this is what will happen. This would be a manifest authoring error.

Regards

[Fisticuffs]

There is a audio (director commentary) that is only selectable from the menu. What do I have to do to make it selectable while I'm watching the movie?

[blutach]

To answer your question, press the audio button on the remote.

Regards

[Fisticuffs]

heh.................


its not selectable that way, 1/1 audio while the movie is playing..........

[blutach]

You weill therefore need to add the track in to the PGC's attributes and the attributes for the domain. PgcEdit is your friend here.

Regards

[Fisticuffs]

pgcedit is always my friend :)


ya got a guide/link for that?

[blutach]

No. But it's easy. Open the PGC and click on the next available audio stream. Change it to 1 (assuming the director's comments stream is 0x81 - check this with VobEdit) and click set and OK.

Then, back in the main GUI, click Ctrl-a and answer yes. You can also change the attributes by entering a language, marking the stream as comments and changing the number of channels (probably 2).

Save.

A player should see the new stream now.

Regards

[r0lZ]

I suppose that if the track exists, it is used in another PGC. Go to that PGC, enter the PGC Editor, and see which stream number it uses. Copy that stream number in the same position in your main PGC. That should be sufficient.

Also, maybe the track is already defined, but you cannot use it because a PUO prohibits the audio stream change. Have you verified that?

[Fisticuffs]

Got the audio all figured out, thx.


New question, some movies it doesn't go back to the menu when it ends...how do i change that?

[r0lZ]

I can't explain that, as all DVDs are different. You have to analyze how your DVD works (using the trace), and figure out what commands should be changed to return to the menu. Might be easy or very difficult, given the complexity of the authoring of your DVD.

[Fisticuffs]

Yes, all DVDs are diff. Can I get a example like before (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=733015#post733015), I only need the procedure.

[r0lZ]

Again, the precedure is always different, so I can't explain it w/o analysing your IFOs.
The idea is to examine what's happening after the main movie. A title in the same VTS can be played, or a jump to the VMGM and then to a title in another VTS... Finally, the navigation will return to the menu. You have to understand what command has caused the first jump, and replace it by the command to return to the menu. Sometimes, it is sufficient to change a GPRM value, sometimes you will need to change the jump command itself, or both. Anyway, try to keep the VMGM unchanged, or you could mess up completely the navigation.
Good luck!

[Fisticuffs]

Sometime after pushing "Play" it will play a short clip, how do I get it to start after that short clip instead of after the "Play" button is pushed. Using the method below it always play right after the "Play" button and skip the short clip. Which step should I change for it to play after the short clip?


http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=733015#post733015

[r0lZ]

What is "it"? The main movie?

And what means "sometime"? When you click a button, the result should always be identical.

However, it is possible, for example, to play an intro clip the first time after having inserted the DVD, but not after. This is usually accomplished by setting a GPRM to a certain value the first time the clip is played. Then, when the nav encounters the clip again, the GPRM is tested, and if it has the right value, it is skipped. Again, you have to examine what GPRM is changed, and why the navigation is redirected elsewhere.

Also, often, the menu has several PGCs with almost the same content. A PGC is played the first time, for example to show the menu intro and continue with the main menu, but when you return to the menu, another PGC is played, without the intro. Maybe the menu button has a different command in the second PGC.

There are also other techniques, such as playing the intro randomly. But again, you must understand that it is not possible to help you without more info. I can't guess what technique is used. Try to find yourself, with the help of the trace, when and why the intro is played or not, and if you don't understand how to modify that yourself, post the relevant PGC and/or button commands here. The trace log might be useful too.

[Fisticuffs]

No no no, you misunderstood this is very basic. 90% of DVDs play a little clip after you hit play or any buttons for that matter then it goes to whatever is selected. I did the Break & Trace after the clip is played but it still didn't work because when this step is use "6) Edit the menu button command to jump directly to title 5." (not the actual title 5 of course, only using that as procedure) it skips the little clip, it override it.

Spiderman 3 for example:

Hit play, then you see spiderman swinging from a web, its about 1-2 seconds THEN it plays the main movie (most DVDs the clip is no more than 3 seconds)

[r0lZ]

OK, you speak of the "outtro" of the menu. That's not really a clip, as it's still a menu PGC (even if it has no buttons.)

If you want to keep it, you should not modify the button command, but the jump in the post commands of the outtro. This way, the nav will still go to the outtro, and at that point, will be redirected to the main movie.

The basic procedure is similar to the quick guide in the other thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=733015#post733015), but you have to trace up to the outtro, and break the trace at this point. This it the starting point, unlike the real menu as explained in the guide. Also, instead of modifying the button command, you have to modify the post commands of the outtro. (Or, in some very rare cases, a cell command.)

[Fisticuffs]

modify the post commands of the outtro. (Or, in some very rare cases, a cell command.)
This is the part I was talking about, how do I do that?