Matrix for Superbit movies ?

[Mugeb]

Good morning ! :)

I plan to encode two Superbit movies (Spiderman & Starship Troopers) with HC Encoder 0.21.

I wondered if there is a good matrix for that type of movies because I don't want to loose the Superbit great quality.

I've never used a matrix before also. :confused:

Thanks in advance for your help. :thanks:

[blutach]

Depending on your final average bitrate as shown in prepare, you might like to consider FHE 1 or 2. Or High-High in DVD Rebuilder (http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/).

Check the appropriate matrix in the Quantization Matrices section in Advanced (Expert) Options.

Regards

[Mugeb]

Thanks for your response.

Where I can found the FHE 1 or 2 & High-High matrices ?

Are they already in DVD Rebuilder ?

Thanks.

[Mugeb]

Here my preparation :

[23:56:12] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- DVD-RB v1.25.0
- AVISYNTH 2.5.6.0
- HC v0.21.0.0 encoder selected
- "Movie and Menus Only" mode is enabled.
- Source: ST
- VTS_01: 3 765 776 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 188 333 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 10 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 2 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 58,9%
- Overall Bitrate : 4 859/3 887Kbs
- Space for Video : 3 727 520KB
- Blanking all EXTRA Segments
-- Feature before/after: 0 / 0 Kbs
[00:05:17] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 9 minutes.


What should I do ?

Thanks in advance for your help. :thanks:

[chainring]

Thanks for your response.

Where I can found the FHE 1 or 2 & High-High matrices ?

Are they already in DVD Rebuilder ?

Thanks."FHE" is Fox Home Entertainment. You'll have to search the forums to find if someone has posted them.

[Rippraff]

Depending on your final average bitrate as shown in prepare, you might like to consider FHE 1 or 2. Or High-High in DVD Rebuilder (http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/).

Check the appropriate matrix in the Quantization Matrices section in Advanced (Expert) Options.
Blu, these matrices aren't part of RB. ;)

Where I can found the FHE 1 or 2 & High-High matrices ?
High-High is FHE, take a look at Rockas' Matrix editor (http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=24), there they are.

And here's Fox 2:
08 08 09 09 10 10 11 11
08 09 09 10 10 11 11 12
09 09 10 10 11 11 12 12
09 10 10 11 11 12 13 13
10 10 11 11 12 13 13 14
10 11 11 12 13 13 14 15
11 11 12 13 13 14 15 15
11 12 12 13 14 15 15 16
08 08 09 09 10 10 11 11
08 09 09 10 10 11 11 12
09 09 10 10 11 11 12 12
09 10 10 11 11 12 13 13
10 10 11 11 12 13 13 14
10 11 11 12 13 13 14 15
11 11 12 13 13 14 15 15
11 12 12 13 14 15 15 16

Cu Rippraff

[Mugeb]

Thanks, I've found it using the search.

I'm using the FH 2 right now.

Thanks for your help.

[blutach]

@Rippraff - sorry about that. I just have them in my DVDRB folder under Matrix (must have installed them with HC or RME). Thanks for the correction :)

Regards

[rahzel]

Here my preparation :
- Overall Bitrate : 4 859/3 887Kbs

imho, theres too much compression being done, the bitrate is too low and the movies you're doing have quite a few actions scenes, so i would not recommend using FHE. i would use the encoder default, or even AUTOQ1 (AVAMAT6). you can get a bunch of matrices included with HC Encoder (if you download the actual encoder from the site) and you can import them with RME (rebuilder matrix editor).

[Mugeb]

I thought FHE was good for bitrate over 4000 ?

[rahzel]

it is (depending on other factors) but your avg bitrate is 3887kbps. even if the bitrate is over 4000, i would not use it unless there is little to no compression needed or there are few demanding scenes (low action films etc).

if you are happy with the results, i will not try to change your mind. these are just some guidelines i follow when i do my own personal backups.
this is what RME's description says for High/High (FHE):
aka Fox Home Entertainment. This or something very similar is used by the best studios for their best DVD releases (Criterion, Warner, and Fox, among others). Bitrates above 4000. Use only if the original DVD has overhead for compressing, if a similar high bitrate matrix was used originally, and if you're not compressing too much.

[linx05]

How does one know what matrix is on a movie?

[kumi]

You can check the "Log Quant Matrices" option in DGIndex, and it will save a text file when you create a .d2v. Rebuilder Matrix Editor also can do it, and I think there's even a quantdump.exe standalone executable available somewhere.

[feedback]

How does one know what matrix is on a movie?
Use "DVD Rebuilder Matrix Editor" or "DGIndex" to extract the matrix from the original movie (in DGIndex be sure to enable "log quant matrices" in options before using). You can then compare the extracted matrix or matrices to other known matrices.

For example:
8 8 9 11 13 13 14 17
8 8 11 12 13 14 17 18
9 11 13 13 14 17 17 19
11 11 13 13 14 17 18 20
11 13 13 14 16 17 20 24
13 13 14 16 17 20 24 29
13 13 14 17 19 23 28 34
13 14 17 19 23 28 34 41

8 8 9 9 10 10 11 11
8 9 9 10 10 11 11 12
9 9 10 10 11 11 12 12
9 10 10 11 11 12 13 13
10 10 11 11 12 13 13 14
10 11 11 12 13 13 14 15
11 11 12 13 13 14 15 15
11 12 12 13 14 15 15 16

Is the only matrix used on the movie "Master and Commander" and the movie "The Blue Butterfly". It is also used as one of the two matrices in "Mission Impossible 3".

In DVD Rebuilder Matrix Editor you will find it is the same as #2 High/Medium Matrix as listed by Rockas and manono.

[Mugeb]

Here my movie matrix extracted with RME:

8 8 9 11 13 13 14 17
8 8 11 12 13 14 17 18
9 11 13 13 14 17 17 16
11 11 13 13 13 17 18 20
11 13 13 13 16 17 20 24
13 13 13 16 17 20 24 29
13 12 13 17 19 23 28 34
12 13 17 19 23 28 34 41

8 8 8 9 9 9 9 10
8 8 9 9 9 9 10 10
8 9 9 9 9 10 10 10
9 9 9 9 10 10 10 10
9 9 9 10 10 10 10 11
9 9 10 10 10 10 11 11
9 10 10 10 10 11 11 11
10 10 10 10 11 11 11 11

So I just need to select it on the Quantization Matrices section now ? Right.

BTW why there's two matrices extracted by RME?

Second one:
8 16 19 22 26 27 29 34
16 16 22 24 27 29 34 37
19 22 26 27 29 34 34 38
22 22 26 27 29 34 37 40
22 26 27 29 32 35 40 48
26 27 29 32 35 40 48 58
26 27 29 34 38 46 56 69
27 29 35 38 46 56 69 83

16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
19 20 21 22 23 24 26 27
20 21 22 23 25 26 27 28
21 22 23 24 26 27 28 30
22 23 24 26 27 28 30 31
23 24 25 27 28 30 31 33


Thanks.