back up dvd larger than DVD-9??

[phatty033]

is there a way to back up DVDs that are larger in size than the standard DVD-9 size?? I have a few TV shows that i want to just combine, and it's definitely larger than the size of a DVD-9 but i want to back it up to the size of DVD-5..i don't really care about quality since it's just TV shows. I already tried to back up the oversized DVD-9 in rebuilder and it came out around 5.25 GB..is there any other way that i can go about doing this??

[jdobbs]

Not sure what went wrong in your case... DVD-RB uses the size of the original size in order to compute the needed compression for output. It can be any size -- not just DVD-9. In fact, I have on more than one occasion combined two DVD-9s and used DVD-RB to output them to a DVD-5.

[phatty033]

really?..what did you use to combine them..i used DVD shrink..i wonder if that had anything to do with it?.because i've tried it a few times and it was oversized everytime, but when its a normal dvd-9 the output size is perfect

[jdobbs]

I used DVD ReMake.

[techreactor]

is there a way to back up DVDs that are larger in size than the standard DVD-9 size?? I have a few TV shows that i want to just combine, and it's definitely larger than the size of a DVD-9 but i want to back it up to the size of DVD-5..i don't really care about quality since it's just TV shows. I already tried to back up the oversized DVD-9 in rebuilder and it came out around 5.25 GB..is there any other way that i can go about doing this??

I hope you didnt change any settings in the INI file of the rebuilder i.e the targetsectors.

If not it should come out fine, can you also post your bitrate allocation as per the DVD RB, sometimes if the size is too big, it might not be able to compress to a DVD5, the encoder needs some bare bits for its encodes.

[Susana]

I've done this process many times, usually converting a 2 dvd9 disk (movie split) in 1 dvd9. My experience is:

- dvdrb is unable to read vts_0x_10.vob ....
- dvdrb is unable to read a vts vob more than ~1.3 Gb (I don't remember exactly).

so I have to use the program vstrip to distribute GB's among (standard name vobs) vts_0x_1.vob ... vts_0x_9.vob

I've seen other program manage _10.vob and so on, and I'd like dvdrb to be able.

[jdobbs]

DVD-RB can accept 99 different VTSs (per the standard). Each VTS can only include as many as 9 VOB files (10 if you count the menu VOB) per VTS (also per the standard). Each VOB file should be no more than 1GB, but DVD-RB will accept up to 2GB.

But if you are joining discs, that really shouldn't be a limitation -- as the originals would have had to follow those limits as well and that naming mechanism can handle a source of up to 891GB.

A filename of VTS_xx_10.VOB is illegal -- that's why it isn't accepted. I'm a stickler about not deviating from the standards.

[Susana]

But if you are joining discs, that really shouldn't be a limitation -- as the originals would have had to follow those limits as well and that naming mechanism can handle a source of up to 891GB.

Yes and no. Well, you know, when reauthing the disk, you put all movie cells in the same VTS (same pgc), seamlessly, so usually the final result is a _10.vob, _11.vob, ... which dvdremake can handle.
Another possibility is put it in a different vts, recompress with dvdrebuilder and then reauthor again, but this is "double work".

A filename of VTS_xx_10.VOB is illegal -- that's why it isn't accepted. I'm a stickler about not deviating from the standards.
DVDRB output will be on stardard, and that's what matters

[jdobbs]

If you join two discs using DVD ReMake, it will put the information into separate VTSs by default. The only time it is desirable to put it all into one VTS would be if you had a single movie that spanned 2 discs.

Other than that, I can think of no real advantage to combining into a single VTS.

[blutach]

@susana

Since _10.VOB is illegal, what you can do is join VOBs with the DOS copy command.

eg. copy VTS_01_9.VOB + VTS_01_10.VOB + VTS_01_11.VOB XXX.VOB
then move VTS_01_9.VOB out of the project folder and rename XXX.VOB to VTS_01_9.VOB

For your project _9.VOB will end up as larger than 1Gb, but this is not illegal, AFAIK (and certainly won't matter after you have re-encoded since your VOBs will be 1Gb max).

Regards

[phatty033]

ok the highest that my reauthored DVD in shink goes to is..VTS_05_4.VOB and the output is oversized..would it help if i did not split the vob files into 1GB chunks?..oh and what was weird was that i tried running the output oversized dvd rebuilder DVD through rebuilder again and yet 24 hours the output size was STILL 5.41 GB..exactly the same..weird??

[jdobbs]

Make sure the audio doesn't add up to more than will fit. If it has LPCM or DTS it's very possible you may be asking the impossible. What encoder are you using?

[phatty033]

im using procoder 2..andd its just dolby 2.0 for all the titles..

[jdobbs]

I've gotten a couple of reports recently saying that ProCoder is oversizing (on regular discs). I haven't been able to put a finger on exactly when or why... and, of course, it seems to always work correctly for me.

[robot1]

I've gotten a couple of reports recently saying that ProCoder is oversizing (on regular discs). I haven't been able to put a finger on exactly when or why... and, of course, it seems to always work correctly for me.

It would be interesting to know the max, min and avg bitrate for the backup.

[phatty033]

damn hopefully there's a solution/fix for this soon..