YATTA Guide that makes since

[Soundfx4]

Does anyone know of a guide for YATTA that actually makes since? I was following along with the ZX Encoding manual and when it got to the YATTA part it gave a link to the yatta manual which proved completely useless for that guide. Here you are following a guide and then it gives you reference material to read that is supposed to get you ready for the next step in the ZX Encoding manual, but fails to do so because you are no longer following a guide, but instead an manual that is meant for people that already have an idea of what they are doing. I've been reading a lot and I understand more or less a lot of things, and I think all I really need now is a well written guide to YATTA.

Just for reference I had been posting at the kick ass anime forums under their encoding section in regards to all of this. If anyone needs to see the history of my learning on this matter here is the link:

http://www.kickassanime.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3587&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Thanks much!

[gameplaya15143]

The last time I looked at YATTA, I couln't even figure out how to use it.

I found doing IVTC manually with decomb (for avisynth) and virtualdub much easier to grasp.

my $.02

It would be nice to have a good step-by-step beginners guide to YATTA though.

[TheFluff]

Uh, you kinda miss the point of YATTA. If you already do know what you're doing and is frustrated by how annoying it is to edit TFM/Telecide override files in Notepad, or how annoying it is to find 30fps ranges on a 24fps DVD and writing out timecodes files for them, then YATTA is for you.

If you are trying to figure out which parameters do what in TFM, or are just generally new at Avisynth in general, don't even think about using YATTA. Seriously. It's called "a program only masochists would use" for a reason.

[Soundfx4]

hmmm....I'm not sure how to respond to to the second post :confused:


I can, however, respond to the first one:

I thought YATTA was a front for avisynth and made it easier by giving the scripts a GUI?

[Nicholi]

Yatta is firstly for aiding in manual IVTC. It gathers the metrics from the filters you would normally use for IVTC, such as Decomb and TIVTC, and then gives you a "mostly simple" GUI interface to change matches, mark frames to be decimated, do not decimate certain ranges, as well as a few extra features in AviSynth like FreezeFrames. It has some other advanced features like processing selected ranges of frames with specific filters.

However if you aren't going to perform a manual IVTC or even make specific changes on only a select range of frames, you don't need to be using Yatta at all. Also the fact that Yatta can give you your complete script with filters I see only as a fluffy side benefit, I don't really use it myself much. I always find myself tweaking settings with filters after I've finished with IVTC, and its far too much work to change the script first in Yatta, then Save the AVS, and finally view my changes. Much simpler to just edit the AVS itself.

I think most people are confused as to why they might want to use Yatta, and expect it to do something for them. So you may be using it for the wrong reasons. What is it you want to do in Yatta exactly? Unfortunately the majority of Yatta users I think have been using it since its inception, or have had a strong background in understanding how Decomb works (Yatta was invented before the days of our good friend tritical :)) so all of the buttons and features inherently made sense.

[foxyshadis]

I thought YATTA was a front for avisynth and made it easier by giving the scripts a GUI?
No, vdmod's script editor, avsedit, and AVSp do that. YATTA is a GUI for Telecide override files, with a few extras. When mpeg2dec/mpegdecoder/mpeg2dec3 were all there were, YATTA was needed to compensate for their bugs, but mpeg2source is much more robust, and now it's only really necessary for those truly broken streams that TFM's extra bad-match handling can't compensate for.

Edit: Nicholi has a good explanation of how to use it now :p

[Harukalover]

and now it's only really necessary for those truly broken streams that TFM's extra bad-match handling can't compensate for.

And for some of us masochists who must assure ourself of a perfect IVTC.

[Soundfx4]

Yatta is firstly for aiding in manual IVTC. It gathers the metrics from the filters you would normally use for IVTC, such as Decomb and TIVTC, and then gives you a "mostly simple" GUI interface to change matches, mark frames to be decimated, do not decimate certain ranges, as well as a few extra features in AviSynth like FreezeFrames. It has some other advanced features like processing selected ranges of frames with specific filters.

However if you aren't going to perform a manual IVTC or even make specific changes on only a select range of frames, you don't need to be using Yatta at all. Also the fact that Yatta can give you your complete script with filters I see only as a fluffy side benefit, I don't really use it myself much. I always find myself tweaking settings with filters after I've finished with IVTC, and its far too much work to change the script first in Yatta, then Save the AVS, and finally view my changes. Much simpler to just edit the AVS itself.

I think most people are confused as to why they might want to use Yatta, and expect it to do something for them. So you may be using it for the wrong reasons. What is it you want to do in Yatta exactly? Unfortunately the majority of Yatta users I think have been using it since its inception, or have had a strong background in understanding how Decomb works (Yatta was invented before the days of our good friend tritical :)) so all of the buttons and features inherently made sense.


sorry about that, I wasn't very clear, I meant to ask if YATTA uses avisynth for everything that YATTA does. In other words, could you do without yatta for IVTC? From what I understand YATTA just gives you a nice GUI that may or may not make it easier to do IVTC (depending on who you are I guess :P )

But actually what I do need to do is IVTC specifically for the region 2 bleach DVDs. I bought them and they're great, but de-interlacing sucks big time, so I'm trying to put them back to 24 FPS and encode them to keep on my hard drive. I loved the KAA release of Bleach so I was trying to get their advice on how they came up with such great results, but this whole thing is turning into a much bigger project then I had orginally thought :) I still want to go through with it though, I just need to figure things out a little at a time. I don't know what any of the other things do yet as nothing I've read has mentioned the use of a decomb filter, or TIVTC. I'm mostly confused about all of that stuff, but I figured I'd just hack away at it with YATTA and any guides I find learning as I go along. I've read a lot already, but I've gotten to the point where anything else I read either doesn't make since (a lot of these guides are poorly worded, but I can't give full credit to that, my own ignorance helps out there as well) or is covering what I've already read.

[Soundfx4]

And for some of us masochists who must assure ourself of a perfect IVTC.

that would be me :) I'm a perfectionist, and everything must be perfect for me...well assuming I knew how to use YATTA that would be me anyway.