The AACS hammer gets dropped on releases starting Apr 23rd and Doom9 is mentioned!

[Galileo2000]

Ehm. I guess we first need a new disc for that ;).

i repeat: is there a list of the "after April23" discs anywhere?

I am going to buy it.

I am going to do all the testing I can do.

Point me.

[3r1c]

I just figured there was going to be some new releases today because they said "after april 23".

I think we can be 100% certain that these new discs will not play in the old software versions since they already said those keys would be revoked.

So is it possible to get decryption keys from (old) discs with the latest software versions, or is all the cracking methods based on the now revoked old versions?

[Fahzuu]

You are talking about the Host Revocation List (to prevent a software player from playing old discs) It is true the AACS LA might use the HRL process to revoke software players, but it would make lots of innocent users unhappy and do little to stop fair use backups, so I have my doubts they'll do it.

Well, at least PowerDVD is using a new host ID, so I'd figure: yes, they are going to use the HRL.
I don't have WinDVD, but my bet is, that they changed the host ID as well.

[FoxDisc]

Well, at least PowerDVD is using a new host ID, so I'd figure: yes, they are going to use the HRL.
I don't have WinDVD, but my bet is, that they changed the host ID as well.
I would have been very very surprised if they didn't change the host ID. I'm sure they want to retain the power to use the HRL. I'm just not certain they're going to use that power immediately. We'll know when the new discs arrive.

[SamuriHL]

As I said in one of my posts, Failure To Launch is coming out today. I really don't want to be picking that title up on HD-DVD...I see absolutely no point in buying a movie like that on an HD format. But, if you want a disc to play with, it's a good bet it has the new keys.

[zeroprobe]

What about planet earth??

[Eeknay]

I have three 24th April titles so far and they all display the correct keys with aacskeys and decrypt fine with AnyDVD HD. I've heard Planet Earth works fine also. They also play fine in PDVD 7.3 without updating it (since Cyberlink sent a nag to the players to do that recently).

[SvT]

Hello Eaknay,

Sorry to doubt you but are you sure you got the right keys ?

I have three 24th April titles so far and they all display the correct keys with aacskeys and decrypt fine with AnyDVD HD.

Did you try another program to backup and play besides AnyDVD HD ?
The way I understand it, the player keys aacskeys uses would no longer be valid !

If you're right this is good news ! :)

[Eeknay]

aacskeys + DumpHD = success. That's what I usually use, just throwing AnyDVD into the list to say it works too.

[SvT]

aacskeys + DumpHD = success. That's what I usually use, just throwing AnyDVD into the list to say it works too.

This is the last thing I had expect !!!!! :confused:

:confused: :confused: :confused: What is changed on new HDDVD's ??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

This is great news by the way ! Sorry I doubted you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[talon95]

Maybe the change didn't get in for this weeks releases? Are we certain they did?

[talon95]

And yes, Planet Earth works fine, at least with AnyDVD, which is all I've tried so far.

[arnezami]

Hmmm. This is silly.

[Galileo2000]

Someone else reported in another thread Planet Earth works fine for them.

I think those discs were released w/o new scheme.

[3dhunter]

What about Deja Vu?

[Eeknay]

Deja Vu decrypts fine.

[davinleeds]

FYI Got C of Men With note about might needing update of Player. 6.5 Played like KK, but got captions and PiP off and rest of show just fine. No AnyHDDVD or compliant monitor. Card is compliant. Contact MS came up once cause it took a few times to get it started and of course, clicked don't contact. Took 10 minutes to get window and captions off--same as Kong. Figure the note included is just that.

[Galileo2000]

so..did they just backed off after all?

This is my impression.

If so, they are way smarter than we thought.

Unless they have a poison pill somewhere under their sleeve.

to elaborte a bit:

HD / BD DVD PQ is stunning.

However, it is a new format.

Early adopters, people who have $$$ jump in.

There is also a small group of the people ( about 99% are the members of this board ) who KNOW how to make things happen w/o HDCP and AACS issues.

And there is SlySoft w/ AnyDVD HD as well.

Now, studios are selling us the stuff we paid over and over again already.

Start to f$$k with the players. Start to f$$k with the discs.

Kill the formats, thank you.

Downloading 20+GB files is not a smart idea IMO.

So the piracy over the inet is basically not going to happen.

I hope the studios and AACS are listening.

[bass4040]

I found it surprising a day and date was posted for new security on anything.

[3r1c]

has anyone tried the movie Planet Earth released today?
I seen someone at slysoft forum couldnt decrypt it.

[Doom9]

What does "released after April 23rd" really mean? Keep in mind that it's a whole process that can take a while. You don't get a DLT (or whatever is used in the HD age) delivered to a replication plant, and they have the disc out within 24h. If you recall the story I had about the additional cost of AACS on a HD disc due to the amount of test discs required.. that process generally takes weeks - meaning if keys are out now, don't expect releases within the next couple weeks to contain the new keys - they've been mastered before the new keys were issues (it also always takes time to get the required amount of discs pressed, tested, packaged and shipped out to make the release date).

[zeroprobe]

Downloading 20+GB files is not a smart idea IMO.

So the piracy over the inet is basically not going to happen.

I hope the studios and AACS are listening.


I have a 10mb connection and downloading 25gb ( not movies of course ) is easily possible.

The other stuff is happening as well and easily too.

[greath]

What does "released after April 23rd" really mean? Keep in mind that it's a whole process that can take a while. You don't get a DLT (or whatever is used in the HD age) delivered to a replication plant, and they have the disc out within 24h. If you recall the story I had about the additional cost of AACS on a HD disc due to the amount of test discs required.. that process generally takes weeks - meaning if keys are out now, don't expect releases within the next couple weeks to contain the new keys - they've been mastered before the new keys were issues (it also always takes time to get the required amount of discs pressed, tested, packaged and shipped out to make the release date).

I agree. Maybe the AACS has done internal testing with it's new MKB, decided that all is working and released it to the replicators to start using from the 23rd April. However, from the time they start using it to author and produce the new discs and to get them into stores can be weeks if not months. So you will probably find a drip-drip of discs with the new MKB over the next few weeks.

[Galileo2000]

I have a 10mb connection and downloading 25gb ( not movies of course ) is easily possible.

The other stuff is happening as well and easily too.

I did not say it was not possible.

I said it was not a smart idea.

[Galileo2000]

What does "released after April 23rd" really mean? Keep in mind that it's a whole process that can take a while. You don't get a DLT (or whatever is used in the HD age) delivered to a replication plant, and they have the disc out within 24h. If you recall the story I had about the additional cost of AACS on a HD disc due to the amount of test discs required.. that process generally takes weeks - meaning if keys are out now, don't expect releases within the next couple weeks to contain the new keys - they've been mastered before the new keys were issues (it also always takes time to get the required amount of discs pressed, tested, packaged and shipped out to make the release date).

Doom9 is correct.

I jumped to the conclusion.

[stars]

Hi I have read a lot about the " cat and mouse game "
concerning hacking copy protections and came across
this discussion about DRM at Microsoft.
Its fun and informative to read and it summes up the
meaninless with copy protection...

Maybe you already have read this document, if not DO IT

http://www.craphound.com/msftdrm.txt

regards stars....

[k-c-ksum]

I expect Planet Earth was pressed before the updated keys were announced. I think it the 23rd refares to all discs pressed from here on in will be using the new keys so im expecting it to be around mid/end of may before we see these discs being released. Will be interesting to see if the Matrix collection uses new or old keys as its been rumored to have been pressed and gathering dust for a while now......

[legoman666]

I did not say it was not possible.

I said it was not a smart idea.

why not? even with a 3mb connection you can download ~1gb/hour. Not too hard to leave a download running while at school/work/sleeping...