Stereo to 6.1 with Sony Sound Forge 9 (VST-SRS Circle)

[Elektra999]

- Surcode DVD DTS, work to 16/44100 and 16/48 - Files Padded or DTS WAV in DTS 5.1
- DTS Nuendo, work to 16/44100, 16/48 and 24/48 - Files Padded or DTS WAV in DTS 5.1
- DTS Pro Series, work to 16bits/44100/48000, 20bits 44.1, 88.2 (I believe) for HDCD?, 24bits/48000/96000
DTS 2.0, 2.1, 4.0, 4.1, 5.0, 5.1, 6.0 or 6.1 - Files Padded or DTS WAV.

- DTS-HD Encoder™: (http://www.dts.com/pro-audio/mas_prodspec.php)

DTS Stream Types:

DTS-HD Master Audio™, "bit for bit" variable bitrate with embedded core of DTS Digital Surround® constant bitrate up to 1,509 kbps.
DTS-HD High Resolution Audio™ constant bitrate from 2046 kbps up to 5,760 (Blu-ray Disc) or 3,018 (HD DVD) kbps.
DTS Digital Surround constant bitrate up to 1509 kbps for DVD-V and DVD-A, 1,234 kbps for Music CDs, Sub / Secondary Audio low bitrate streams.


Channel Layout Support:
Up to 6.1 ch. for DTS 5.1 Music Disc
Up to 6.1 ch. for DVD-V & DVD-A
Up to 7.1 ch. for Primary/ Main stream for Blu-ray Disc / HD DVD


Downmixes:
7.1 to 5.1
5.1 to 2.0 channels (Stereo)


Sample rates:
44.1, 88.2** kHz for DTS Surround Music CD*
48 and 96 kHz for DVD-V and DVD-A
48, 96 and 192 kHz for HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc
12, 24, and 48 kHz for Secondary / Sub Audio on HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc.

[Elektra999]

Dolby TrueHD (http://www.dolby.com/professional/pro_audio_engineering/solutions_dvd3.html#tech)

is a lossless audio technology designed for the new high-definition packaged media. Only Dolby TrueHD guarantees lossless HD audio playback from every HD DVD player and from supporting Blu-ray Disc players, and Dolby TrueHD also offers the most efficient lossless coding available. It supports up to eight channels (7.1-channel surround) of 24-bit/96 kHz audio, with expandability to accommodate more channels in the future while retaining compatibility with all Dolby TrueHD decoders. (For fewer than eight channels, Dolby TrueHD allows sampling frequencies as high as 192 kHz.) Dolby TrueHD gives content creators new capabilities to position sounds for the most realistic effects. And with audio playback that is bit-for-bit identical to the highest-resolution studio masters, listeners experience sound as stunning as the high-definition picture.

Demo for Mac (http://www.dolby.com/professional/pro_audio_engineering/download_DMP_demos.html)

[guada2]

Hello Elektra999,

Lucky guy....wish i could work with dts pro Series or better DTS HD Master Suite too Would be a Dream, i can only work with Surcode ACrowley

A little question:
Have you tried to encode a true DTS HD MA? and perhaps listen a track..

:thanks:

[Elektra999]

Hello Elektra999,

ACrowley

A little question:
Have you tried to encode a true DTS HD MA? and perhaps listen a track..

:thanks:

Not, I am waiting for " DTS SAS Upgrade from DTS Pro Series Encoder ", until the year 2008, I will not have, DTS HD Master Audio.

DTS Pro Series, Maximum resolution 24/96 DTS 5.1 y 6.1 ES.
DTS HD Master Audio, Maximum resolution 24/192 7.1

[Rck60s]

Will the V.I. plug ins work with Sound Forge 9.0?, also can you create surround files like with Adobe audition? I tried to find the multitrack option like in audition but got lost...Is there a walkthru or guide anywhere on this or Vegas?

[Zaim7890]

hi can sum1 help?

after i create track, it's playing a bit faster than it should. i tryed pwerdvd/nero showtime both the same, only plays faster after encoding.

also after i create these tracks how i can burn them (keeping the audio untoched) so that it will play back on my dvd recoder/player

thanks

[Zaim7890]

ah i have found out what app can burn the ac3 files to dvd with untouched audio!

use AudioDVDCreator, this keeps the RC channel, on my amp when i used nerovision only 6 channels showed up, and when i tryed AudioDVDcreator it showed 7 channels.

[Elektra999]

Hello
Track AC3 5.1 is 16/48000 for DVD-Audio, not for CD-Audio.
CD-Audio 16/44100, The AC3 of Aften and the AC3 pro of SF9, do not work well in AC3 44100.
For CD-Audio, It would have to be an AC3 wav, Aften and Sony Forge 9 not work in AC3 WAV.

[Zaim7890]

do u have the DTS Pro Series Encoder

[Terranigma]

if u have the DTS Pro Series Encoder it would be appreciated alot if u could host it rapidshare etc:)

That's against the rules. Obviously you haven't looked at it before you made your post. :scared:

[Elektra999]

if u have the DTS Pro Series Encoder it would be appreciated alot if u could host it rapidshare etc:)

Je je je

[ACrowley]

if u have the DTS Pro Series Encoder it would be appreciated alot if u could host it rapidshare etc:)




But i can tell you he will not upload anything to rapidshare etc.
Also the dts Software is Dongle Protected..so without a Donge and valid License you cant use it

Theres no cracked Version from dts pro Series and dts hd master suite out there..surely

[Elektra999]

Yes,
DTS Pro Series KEY USB - WIBU USB (http://wibu.com/wibukey_02.php?lang=en)

DTS HD Mater Audio KEY USB - ILOK USB (https://www.ilok.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/iLokManager)

:)

[Zaim7890]

Yes,
DTS Pro Series KEY USB - WIBU USB (http://wibu.com/wibukey_02.php?lang=en)

DTS HD Mater Audio KEY USB - ILOK USB (https://www.ilok.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/iLokManager)

:)

ok sry, what are those links for...

[Zaim7890]

Hello
Yes,
- Dolby Surround EX, channels SL, SR, CS Matrix
- DTS ES Matrix, channel SC Matrix
- DTS ES Diiscrete, channel SC Discrete.

- Plug-in SRS Circle Surround, channels Discrete, Dolby Surround EX channels Matrix, this is the reason of the error in Sony Sound Forge 9.

- Plug-in VI.I, channels Matrix, authoring in Sony Sound Forge 9, to export one WAV 8 channels a Sony Vegas 7e.
- Delete track 8
- Encoded Dolby Surround EX in Sony Vegas 7e, very good results, yes Dolby Surround EX with VI.I perfect ¡¡WOOWWW!!
Proyect 6.1 Sony Vegas
http://rapidshare.com/files/30696328/VI.I_6.1.rar
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3176/guia05at7.jpg

hi, could u re-upload that V.i.i 6.1 plz, cant find the 6.1 onthe net.

curruped file, so wont extract plus its ony 1kb

[Elektra999]

Sorry for el time
Proyects Surround for Vegas (http://rapidshare.com/files/66335950/Surround_Proyects_Vegas.rar)

Of you interest, it is 6.1 Surround

[Zaim7890]

thanks Elektra999 :)

umm when i create the 6 wav files with SRS VST,and save em usin dolby pro encoder, and when played back Dolby digital EX 6.1, the rear centre spkr works normally but the rear left/right cant here anythin frm em, jus a lil bit very very low, its not my settings on AMP, cuz when i swtch to 5.1 rear left/right spkrs work properly, its only happening with this. any ideas. Not my amp cuz i play moves/dvd-audio disks and 6.1(dolby D ex/DTS 6.1 ES) works perfectly.

hope u can help

[Elektra999]

Hello

Dolby Digital 6.1 / Dolby Surround EX, the channel Surround Center, is a channel Matrix is not Discrete, ¿OK? :)

SRS Circle v1.0.1, the channel Surround Center is a channel Discrete, then, it can not work with the encoder Dolby Surround EX, which is why you have this problem.

This is my guide with Sony Vegas 7 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1059487#post1059487) and with the plug-ins V.I, that, in this guide if is a Doby Surround EX :), with SRS Circle and is not Dolby Digital 6.1.

Greetings :)

[ACrowley]

So, wait,the 6.1 record Project with 7 Channels will not work or what do you mean ?
The DD Pro Encoder ignores the SC Channel or what ?

I mean i have 7 mono waves and load them into each Channel.

Then encode the 6.1 record with Vegas8 Ac3 Encoder Pro to DD EX

The encoding works correct, Ex flag is encoded and i have SC in Playback..looks ok for me ?

[Elektra999]

The question is, that, the channels of SRS Circle, are channels discretes. A Dolby Digital 5.1 if it can be employed well with SRS Circle, but, in 5.1.

Dolby Surround EX (6.1), is a channel Matrix, not discrete, for this reason, the mistake exists commented for Zaim7890.

The Dolby Surround EX (6.1), has to be with a channel SC Matrix, never discrete.

[Zaim7890]

ah ok, i thought it would still work the SC bein discrete, but i understand. :)

and just to confirm, if i use Vii 6.1 and encode it will i still get the same prob.


thanks for ur help.

[ACrowley]

THX Elektra

i understand ..i thougt the DD EX Encoder encodes the 7 mono waves and the SC via matrix into 5.1
So the encoded DD EX is physc. 5.1. I know ,ofcourse not discrete.
And the decoder with EX Setting "unpacks" the SC out of SL SR to 6.1 Output

[Zaim7890]

i recently re-installed Soundforge 9.0C as it stopped working, i reinstalled it, rebooted loads forge and inported file (drag and drop) dont evything, click save as and it wont save using dolby pro or studio it jus says : theres no template available for this format. plz could u help.

here is a screenshot:

http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=problemwithforgefa6.jpg

[faiqj]

I am using sound forge 9 as per guide I am ok till 6 mono files after using srs circle sound but when I do save as in dolby digital pro it does not give me the format option and I cannot make the file exactly according to the guide in dolby digital surround. By the way it does show in plug in chainer sony ac3 decode but does not work I also have sony vegas 8 pro but I cannot find the ac3 encoder. Can somebody help.

[Elektra999]

My version of Sony Sound Forge 9, is legal, for this reason (AC3 Pro) it me works and to you not ;)

You can use WavToAC3 v1.1 (http://www.thefrontend.net/EncWAVtoAC3/index.html) for the Dolby Digital 5.1 and 6.1 :)

[faiqj]

Thanks elektra I am using the 30 days trial version. Please confirm whether wavtoAC3 will work within soundforge program or separetly.

[Elektra999]

Thanks elektra I am using the 30 days trial version. Please confirm whether wavtoAC3 will work within soundforge program or separetly.

Separately

[ACrowley]

Thanks elektra I am using the 30 days trial version. Please confirm whether wavtoAC3 will work within soundforge program or separetly.

WavtoAC3 is a GUI for Aften !
It has Nothing to do with Sonys AC3 Encoder in Soundforge/Vegas

When you want to use the Sony AC3 PRO Encoder, you have to buy Soundforge or Vegas. PLUS the AC3 PRO Encoder ( seperate online purchase via Plugin)
Soundforge/Vegas is bundled only with the Consumer AC3 Encoder

You can use Aften with WavtoAC3 Gui..its free and delivers superb Quality :)

[Elektra999]

To use WAvtoAC3 v1.1, it is not necessary to use Aften GUI.
I have installed the installer of WavtoAC3 v1.1 Win32.

[faiqj]

You people have been very helpful. Kindly also advise which other dolby digital encoders or DTS encoders works within the sound forge program and how.

[Zaim7890]

elektra it used to work b4, i uninstalled it cuz the app stopped workin, now reinstalled it now pro encoder wont show?

[Zaim7890]

anyone used (VST-SRS Circle) with Sony Acid pro 6?

[Elektra999]

anyone used (VST-SRS Circle) with Sony Acid pro 6?

I don´t know...
I do not use ACID Pro v6

[Zaim7890]

I don´t know...
I do not use ACID Pro v6

hmm, ok thanks :(

[Zaim7890]

what abt Sony Vegas pro 8. how can u use the VST SRS Circle pro Decoder. could u make a guide oh how to use ^^ ^^ ^^

thanks

[faiqj]

Can anybody guide how to further enhance the 5.1 channel files made with sound forge by adding some additional effects on the different speakers may be at rear channels or front.

[Elektra999]

what abt Sony Vegas pro 8. how can u use the VST SRS Circle pro Decoder. could u make a guide oh how to use ^^ ^^ ^^

thanks

Yea
I believe that yes

- Chosse File / Proyect 5.1 Surround, Best, 16bits, 48.000

- Import track audio stereo

- Click Green icon, Remove 3 the plug-ins; Track Noise Gate, Track EQ and Track Compressor.

Note; Not to touch the Surround Panner, for default it is to 0dB.

- To Add, SRS Circle Surround, and in the button Center BacK, presss in Off.

- Chosse File / Render As... export audio...AC3 Pro, WAV's, etc...

[Zaim7890]

Yea
I believe that yes

- Chosse File / Proyect 5.1 Surround, Best, 16bits, 48.000

- Import track audio stereo

- Click Green icon, Remove 3 the plug-ins; Track Noise Gate, Track EQ and Track Compressor.

Note; Not to touch the Surround Panner, for default it is to 0dB.

- To Add, SRS Circle Surround, and in the button Center BacK, presss in Off.

- Chosse File / Render As... export audio...AC3 Pro, WAV's, etc...


ah, kwl, thanks, i tryed the above but when i play back i can here the voice in all 5 spkrs?
but then i left the 3 plugins that were already there, could they be causing that ^^. (Track Noise Gate, Track EQ and Track Compressor.)

- To Add, SRS Circle Surround, and in the button Center BacK, presss in Off. u mean turn rear centre off right?

thanks alot for ur help:)

[faiqj]

Hi,
Lot of people discussed and shared for making stereo to dolby digital surround but I am unable to find any topic that how to burn ac3 dolby digital pro files to cd or dvd audio which software to use which can burn the original files without converting them to any other format. Pls help

[Zaim7890]

Hi,
Lot of people discussed and shared for making stereo to dolby digital surround but I am unable to find any topic that how to burn ac3 dolby digital pro files to cd or dvd audio which software to use which can burn the original files without converting them to any other format. Pls help

use DVDAudioCreator. for AC3 files

[faiqj]

Thanks Zaim. One more thing I observed that surround files made with sound forge, that the most of the sound coming from center channel with the medium level in the front channels but you hardly notice if rear channels have some sound. Did anybody notice that or if there is any solution that you could raise the volume at rears to listen some sound from the rear channels.

[Zaim7890]

hi Elektra999, in soundforge using SRS Circle sur VST, can you do just 5.1 insead of 6.1?

i tryed Vii but the seperation of the sound isnt as good as the SRS is.

[7saigon5]

Hello
Sony Sound Forge 9a, with AC3 Encoder Dolby Surround EX 6.1

00. Menu / Options / Preferences / Audio, Select ASIO4ALL (http://www.asio4all.com/) / Apply / OK.

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/47/image00vl5.jpg

01. Menu / File / Open track stereo.
02. Menu / Process / 32bits float / OK.
03. Menu / Process / DC Offset / Preset (Remove DC offset scan entire sound file) / OK.
04. Menu / File / Properties.

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Apply / OK.

05. Click (green - arrow)

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to look for plug-in appropriate: Circle Surround / VI.I,… Add / OK.

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06. ClicK (arrow - Image) Processing selecction.

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/2520/image04zl1.jpg

It will begin to process, in minutes, we will have 6 wav mono.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/381/image05yh1.jpg

Track 1 = FL
Track 2 = FR
Track 3 = Center
Track 4 = Surround Center
Track 5 = SL
Track 6 = SR
Track 7 = LFE, but we did not create it, since, in Audio Service we will mark Enable LFE

07. Menu / File / Save Ass...

- Dolby Digital AC3 Pro
- Click Custom

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http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8827/image07nb2.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7639/image08mh6.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8524/image09kg2.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4628/image10fs7.jpg

OK and Save

DOLBY SURROUND EX 6.1 :)

I have tried SF 9 with SRS CS pro VST to create 6 mono Wav to encode in LtRt in stereo and I wanna know how can I save the discreate mone multiple of there 6 channels in SF 9?
Regards,

[7saigon5]

This is cool!But how did u separate the SC(surround center) to be encoded in the DTS Pro series for 6.1 channels?Please give instruction how to.Thanx!

[tebasuna51]

Save as multichannel wav file, instead ac3, and use WaveWizard to split in monowavs.

[7saigon5]

Thanks brother!

[Elektra999]

This is cool!But how did u separate the SC(surround center) to be encoded in the DTS Pro series for 6.1 channels?Please give instruction how to.Thanx!

- Chosse File / Properties / Proyect in mono,...
- Select channel (SC) number 4 (SRS Circle Surround, proyect) / Edit and press Copy.
- Paste in proyect mono.
- Chosse File / Save Ass... mono / 16 bit,....

[7saigon5]

Thanx!But when u wanna encode these monos channels in Lt Rt then you just bring the SRS encoder up and press the process button right?

[raquete]

i have seen people posting against the rules calling for cracks.
advice: read the rules.

@ moderators:
edit, delete posts(include this here) but please, don't close this important guide.
:thanks: