HD DVD vs Seesaw + Limitedsharpenfaster. Comparison Pictures.

[Jeremy Duncan]

Basic
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433150_BasicResize.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433150_BasicResize.jpg)

HD DVD
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433192_HDDVD.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433192_HDDVD.jpg)

Terranigma Seesaw
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433423_TerranigmaSeesaw.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433423_TerranigmaSeesaw.jpg)

Seesaw
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433159_SeesawAvisynth.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433159_SeesawAvisynth.jpg)

Limitedsharpenfaster
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433172_LSF.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433172_LSF.jpg)

Basic
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433130_BasicResize.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433130_BasicResize.jpg)

HD DVD
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433194_HDDVD.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433194_HDDVD.jpg)

Terranigma Seesaw
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433418_TerranigmaSeesaw.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433418_TerranigmaSeesaw.jpg)

Seesaw
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433161_SeesawAvisynth.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433161_SeesawAvisynth.jpg)

Limitedsharpenfaster
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433175_LSF.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433175_LSF.jpg)

Basic
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433154_BasicResizing.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433154_BasicResizing.jpg)

HD DVD
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433197_HDDVD.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433197_HDDVD.jpg)

Seesaw
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433162_SeesawAvisynth.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433162_SeesawAvisynth.jpg)

Terranigma Seesaw
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433358_TerranigmaSeesaw.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433358_TerranigmaSeesaw.jpg)

Limitedsharpenfaster
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433178_LimitedSharpenFaster.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433178_LimitedSharpenFaster.jpg)

Basic
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433157_BasicResize.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433157_BasicResize.jpg)

HD DVD
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433198_HDDVD.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433198_HDDVD.jpg)

Seesaw
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433166_SeesawAvisynth.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433166_SeesawAvisynth.jpg)

Terranigma Seesaw 2
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433361_TerranigmaSeesaw2.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433361_TerranigmaSeesaw2.jpg)

Limitedsharpenfaster
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t433181_LSF.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i433181_LSF.jpg)

Link to folder with all the pictures.
Link (http://files.filefront.com//;7148103;;/)

I got the HD DVD Aeon Flux pictures from this link: Link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=814543&highlight=blind)
They were jpeg's, so to compare fairly I had to use jpeg's too.
I got the Kong HD DVD Picture from this link: Link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=827529)

Here's the settings I used in FFDShow

________ LimitedSharpenFaster ________

Codecs: All supported
Blur & NR: denoise3d: Luma: 0.00, Chroma: 2.00, Time: 5.00, HQ Checked
Avisynth: YV12 checked, Add FFdshow Video source checked

SetMemoryMax(1024)
ColorMatrix(Mode="Rec.601->Rec.709",scaling=2,threads=2)
Lanczosresize(1824, 1028)
MT("LimitedSharpenFaster(ss_x=1.0, ss_y=1.0, Smode=3, strength=250, overshoot=1)",3)

Queue & Output: Queue output samples checked
Output: YV12 checked

________ SeeSaw Avisynth ________

Codecs: All supported
Avisynth: YV12 checked, Add FFdshow Video source checked

SetMemoryMax(1024)
FluxSmoothT(8)
dull = ColorMatrix(Mode="Rec.601->Rec.709",scaling=2,threads=2)
sharp = dull.MT("SeeSaw(NRlimit=0, NRlimit2=5, Sstr=1.70, Szp=1, Slimit=50, Sdamplo=29, Spower=1, sootheT=0, SdampHi=35)",3)
Soothe(sharp, dull, 5)
Lanczosresize(1824, 1028)

Queue & Output: Queue output samples checked
Output: YV12 checked

________ Terranigma SeeSaw Avisynth ________

Codecs: All supported
Avisynth: YV12 checked, Add FFdshow Video source checked

SetMemoryMax(1024)
FluxSmoothT(8)
dull = ColorMatrix(Mode="Rec.601->Rec.709",scaling=2,threads=2)
sharp = dull.MT("SeeSaw(NRlimit=0, NRlimit2=5, Sstr=1.70, Szp=1, Slimit=20, Sdamplo=29, Spower=1, sootheT=0, SdampHi=35, bias=90)",3)
Soothe(sharp, dull, 5)
Lanczosresize(1920, 1080)

Queue & Output: Queue output samples checked
Output: YV12 checked

Terrnigma Seesaw used FFDshow 1076, Leak Version set to 10 10 10

[Terranigma]

It'd of been better if you've posted the links to the pictures instead of having them stretched this thread like this. Slimit 50 is a bit too strong imo, around 15-20 is enough. Also, seesaw would benefit better if you've increased the bias to around 90.

[superuser]

can u please post thumbnails, tht way it will help. Currently SS get overstretched over screen.

Query: I am not sure if LSF or Seesaw would work on MT?

[Jeremy Duncan]

Ok. I added thumbnails as per request. :helpful:

[Jeremy Duncan]

I've added some pictures that used Terranigma's suggestions, and Leak's version of FFDshow.

[Jeremy Duncan]

Link to png's (http://files.filefront.com//;7151006;;/)

[Blue_MiSfit]

Well, I'm impressed (but not blown away) by the HD-DVD samples.

I personally don't like your LSF / SeeSaw settings (too posterized for my eyes), and find Terranigma's settings to be more pleasing.

Still, not too shabby for a massive upconversion!

I wonder what the HD-DVD sources would look like when ran through LSF / SeeSaw at gentler settings :D

~MiSfit

[*.mp4 guy]

Could you post the un-resized pngs of the dvd screenshots?

[Jeremy Duncan]

Could you post the un-resized pngs of the dvd screenshots?

Nvidia Sharpening at 100
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t491642_2Nvidiasharpen100.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i491642_2Nvidiasharpen100.jpg)

Seesaw Avisynth
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t491644_2SeesawAvisynth.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i491644_2SeesawAvisynth.jpg)

Limitedsharpenfaster
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t491647_2LSF.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i491647_2LSF.jpg)

Basic
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t491651_2Basic.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i491651_2Basic.jpg)

Nvidia Denoising at 100
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t491652_1NvidiaDenoise100.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i491652_1NvidiaDenoise100.jpg)

Seesaw Avisynth
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t491655_1SeesawAvisynth.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i491655_1SeesawAvisynth.jpg)

Limitedsharpenfaster
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t491656_1LSF.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i491656_1LSF.jpg)

Basic
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t491663_1Basic.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i491663_1Basic.jpg)

________ Basic ________
I added the Queue output samples part
This version is using the newest FFdshow.

Codecs: All Supported
Blur & NR: denoise3d: Luma: 0.00, Chroma: 2.00, Time: 3.00, HQ Checked
Avisynth: YV12 checked, Add FFdshow Video source checked

ColorMatrix(Mode="Rec.601->Rec.709",scaling=2,threads=2)

Resize & aspect:
Specify resize 640x480
No aspect ratio correction checked
Lanczos
Taps: 2
Luma Sharpen: 0.90
Queue & Output: Queue output samples checked
Output: YV12 checked

________ LimitedSharpenFaster ________

Codecs: All supported
Blur & NR: denoise3d: Luma: 0.00, Chroma: 2.00, Time: 5.00, HQ Checked
Avisynth: YV12 checked, Add FFdshow Video source checked

SetMemoryMax(1024)
ColorMatrix(Mode="Rec.601->Rec.709",scaling=2,threads=2)
Lanczosresize(640, 480)
MT("LimitedSharpenFaster(ss_x=1.0, ss_y=1.0, Smode=3, strength=250, overshoot=1)",3)

Queue & Output: Queue output samples checked
Output: YV12 checked

________ SeeSaw Avisynth ________

Codecs: All supported
Avisynth: YV12 checked, Add FFdshow Video source checked

SetMemoryMax(1024)
FluxSmoothT(8)
dull = ColorMatrix(Mode="Rec.601->Rec.709",scaling=2,threads=2)
sharp = dull.MT("SeeSaw(NRlimit=0, NRlimit2=5, Sstr=1.70, Szp=1, Slimit=50, Sdamplo=29, Spower=1, sootheT=0, SdampHi=35)",3)
Soothe(sharp, dull, 5)
Lanczosresize(640, 480)

Queue & Output: Queue output samples checked
Output: YV12 checked

Nvidia Geforce 7900GTX with ForceWare 91.33 drivers

"ATI_and_nVidia_crush_highend_DVD_players"
Look at page 10, test 5.
Link (http://www.hardware.info/en-UK/articles/am9nY2pqZA/ATI_and_nVidia_crush__2000_DVD_players/)

I own a ATI x1300 so the pictures and the settings that used FFDshow used this card.
I got the pictures from the link above.

What's my opinion ?
I calibrated the FFDshow settings using the crossbar pattern.
I think the Nvidia detail picture is the sharpest.
I think the Seesaw Avisynth configuration denoises as well as the Nvidia card.
If the FFDshow settings were sharper it would compare equally to the nvidia detail picture, I've done this before in previous tests but in previous tests I didn't use the crossbar pattern to calibrate the sharpness.
If I make it as sharp as the Nvidia picture I get strong haloing on the Crossbar test pattern.

I posted jpg's because the link only provides a jpg of the nvidia.
So I had to use jpg to compare.