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jfcarbel
30th March 2007, 06:48
I believe there is no HD burner yet on the market, but their is a Blu-ray burner, so here is my question. Can Blu-ray backups be burnt to a Blu-ray recordable and playable on a standalone Blu-ray player?

Here is some information below I grabbed from other posts in the Decrypting forum, but it seems the real problem is the layer break. Can Nero, Sonic, of Ulead remove and replace it with a correct one?

From other posts:

The problem is that some devices only play BDAV and not BDMV if the support is a BD-RE or a BD-R.

BDAV= format for home made HD videos
BDMV= format for pre-recorded HD film

The Samsung BD-P1000 & the Panasonic BD-10 CAN play BDMV (so the ripped film) with menu & everything, I do all the test and I can confirm it.
The PS3 can't player BDMV, and is not for incompatibility but it's a Sony decision. They can unlock this when the want, like Samsung.

Samsung BD-P1000: first firmware plays BDMV. 1.1 & 1.2 don't play BDMV. And now the latest play BDMV

if the player look only @ file structure, it plays everything without any problem. But it checks for disk type, so plays only format that are authorized. And BDMV is not authorized for some players like PS3.

Disc volume is not important when you burn: every blu ray has the same disc volume name but i change it in my backups without any problem.

Don't burn AACS directory: if you burn AACS dir the player look for encrypted M2TS, your disc is not encrypted and the player eject it. So burn only BDMV directory.


There is only a problem now: if you burn a dual layer BD you can't replicate the layer change info & the disc doesn't work fine, when you arrive @ latyer change the playback stops.

BDAV and BDMV are totally diferent format.

BDAV= only video, lower bitrate, no menu, no interactivity. And also a different file structure.

Roxio DVDit HD is a professional authoring tools and with it you can produce BDMV. BDAV is the format for Cyberlink PowerProducer or Ulead, mass market software.

jfcarbel
30th March 2007, 06:57
Also I should mention we can probably assume that eventually all Blu-ray players will remove the ability to play BDMV content when found on recordable media.

But I wonder if this will not fly due to homemade Blu-ray authoring like Wedding Videos, etc since videographers are certainly not going to be able to replicate to BD-ROM.

I mean what use are HD authoring software, HD video cameras, and recorders when the final product can't play in a standalone player. That is one with menus and interactivity.

jfcarbel
20th November 2007, 20:25
Is this still an issue now that we have dual layer 50GB blu-ray recordable media?

That is, do the ripped files copy fine with layer change to BD-R and play just fine on standalones?

Also what is the lowest price for 50GB recordable blu-ray?

jfcarbel
24th November 2007, 02:26
Well I found this link:

How to burn your Blu-ray movie backup files to a BD-R or BD-RE disc:
http://stream-recorder.com/forum/showthread.php?t=959

It seems some players like Panasonic standalones do allow playback of blu-ray data discs with the BDMV structure. Whether that will change with firmware updates or not remains a question.

But I still have questions about dual-layer blu-ray backups not that we have the ability to burn a BD-R 50GB. That is, does the backup play fine thru the layer change?

Also, is there any software out there that will let you burn a true movie BDMV disc? I thought I heard that Roxio DVD-It HD Pro does. But I wonder if it can take the ripped files as input and create the BDMV video disc.

If anyone have dual-layer bou-ray backups playing on a standalone then please report back here and tell us the details and what brand/model standalone.

LIGHTNING UK!
24th November 2007, 16:55
I think they did away with the whole 'layer break' thing on the newer HD format discs.

The layers are just part of 'the disc' and should be treated as if it was 1 huge disc (single layer).

ie. see a dual layer BD-R not as a dual layer BD-R but as a 50gb BD-R.

As far as I can tell, there's not even any commands to get info about the different layers on BD media - i.e. start / end LBA's - or even the actual number of them.

jfcarbel
25th November 2007, 10:36
Wow, author of the great ImgBurn replies to my thread, I am honored. Love your tools - especially the banned ones ;)

This was a reply from a Slysoft person over in their AnyDVD HD forums hinting that the layer change and discs layout does play a role in Blu-ray discs, but not so in HD DVD:
Newest AnyDVD versions display the sector allocations in the dirlist.txt file -James

In that same thread a user has burned many BD-R dual layers (50 GB) using Nero 8 in UDF 2.5 and has had no problems playing these on his standalone (LG brand).

However, James the SlySoft mod their claims he may just be getting lucky.

Not sure if I can post a link back to that Slysoft forum thread here, but if mods say its okay, I will go ahead and do so.

In the meantime, this should guide you there:

SlySoft Forum > Software Talk (english) > AnyDVD HD >
Safest way of burning blu-ray discs for stand-alone playback?