Need help with American animation AutoGK conversion -- log posted inside

[Bosko]

Hi -- I'm trying to convert my Ben 10 episodes rips to .avi with AutoGK to fit them all on one disc. Normally I've been making 22min. cartoon episodes at about 180mb, but since I'm only putting 13 shows on a disc, I increased the size to 300mb. I used cartoon mode with my first attempt.

With playback on my computer, I notice that any camera pans are stuttery looking, but everything else looked pretty good/clear. But I think there's a better way to do this. Here is the log, and my questions are further below:

[3/9/2007 12:29:54 AM] AutoGK 2.40
[3/9/2007 12:29:54 AM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[3/9/2007 12:29:54 AM] Job started.
[3/9/2007 12:29:54 AM] Input file: C:\DVD Rips\BEN10_S1_01\VTS_01_0.IFO
[3/9/2007 12:29:54 AM] Output file: C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\BEN10_S1_01.avi
[3/9/2007 12:29:54 AM] Output codec: XviD
[3/9/2007 12:29:54 AM] Audio 1: English AC3 2ch
[3/9/2007 12:29:54 AM] Subtitles: none
[3/9/2007 12:29:54 AM] Format: AVI
[3/9/2007 12:29:54 AM] Target size: 300Mb
[3/9/2007 12:29:54 AM] Audio 1 settings: Auto
[3/9/2007 12:29:54 AM] Standalone support enabled: ESS
[3/9/2007 12:29:54 AM] Started encoding.
[3/9/2007 12:29:54 AM] Demuxing and indexing.
[3/9/2007 12:31:10 AM] Processing file: C:\DVD Rips\BEN10_S1_01\VTS_01_1.VOB
[3/9/2007 12:31:10 AM] Processing file: C:\DVD Rips\BEN10_S1_01\VTS_01_2.VOB
[3/9/2007 12:31:10 AM] Source resolution: 720x480
[3/9/2007 12:31:10 AM] Found NTSC source.
[3/9/2007 12:31:10 AM] Source aspect ratio: 4:3
[3/9/2007 12:31:10 AM] Analyzing source.
[3/9/2007 12:32:14 AM] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 40.98
[3/9/2007 12:32:14 AM] Source has percentage of telecined patterns: 92.23
[3/9/2007 12:32:14 AM] Source has percentage of progressive patterns: 3.11
[3/9/2007 12:32:14 AM] Source has percentage of interlaced patterns: 4.66
[3/9/2007 12:32:14 AM] Source is considered to be hybrid (mostly FILM).
[3/9/2007 12:32:14 AM] Looking for optimal hybrid thresholds.
[3/9/2007 12:32:28 AM] Found threshold of: 1.41
[3/9/2007 12:32:28 AM] Output will contain 32991 frames
[3/9/2007 12:32:28 AM] Decoding audio.
[3/9/2007 12:32:58 AM] Normalizing audio.
[3/9/2007 12:33:34 AM] Encoding audio.
[3/9/2007 12:36:28 AM] Using cartoon mode.
[3/9/2007 12:36:28 AM] Audio1 size: 19,445,760 bytes (18.54 Mb)
[3/9/2007 12:36:28 AM] Overhead: 1,319,680 bytes (1.26 Mb)
[3/9/2007 12:36:28 AM] Video size: 293,807,360 bytes (280.20 Mb)
[3/9/2007 12:36:28 AM] Running compressibility test.
[3/9/2007 12:36:28 AM] Writing the following script to C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\BEN10_S1_01_comptest.avs
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LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\BEN10_S1_01.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 640
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=3,threshold=1.41)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
SelectRangeEvery(214,15)
===========================================================
[3/9/2007 12:38:49 AM] Duration was: 2 minutes 20 seconds
[3/9/2007 12:38:49 AM] Speed was: 16.38 fps.
[3/9/2007 12:38:49 AM] Compressibility percentage is: 101.98
[3/9/2007 12:38:49 AM] Using sharper matrix
[3/9/2007 12:38:49 AM] Chosen resolution is: 720x544 ( AR: 1.32 )
[3/9/2007 12:38:49 AM] Predicted comptest value is: 72.23%
[3/9/2007 12:38:49 AM] Running first pass.
[3/9/2007 12:38:49 AM] Writing the following script to C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\BEN10_S1_01_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\BEN10_S1_01.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 720
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=3,threshold=1.41)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
===========================================================
[3/9/2007 1:02:22 AM] Duration was: 23 minutes 32 seconds
[3/9/2007 1:02:22 AM] Speed was: 23.36 fps.
[3/9/2007 1:02:22 AM] Expected quality of first pass size: 82.70%
[3/9/2007 1:02:22 AM] Running second pass.
[3/9/2007 1:35:38 AM] Duration was: 33 minutes 16 seconds
[3/9/2007 1:35:38 AM] Speed was: 16.53 fps.
[3/9/2007 1:35:38 AM] Job finished. Total time: 1 hour, 5 minutes 44 seconds

Questions:

1. Will I get a better picture quality by making the final files 300mb instead of 180mb as I did above? Or would it be better quality-wise to actually make them smaller?

1a. If the original resolution is 720x480 and the original aspect ratio is 4:3, then why is the generated aspect ratio 720x544? I'm guessing it has something to do with choosing a target size of 300mb, but why would the 720 be the same, but the 480 be 544? Does this mean the picture is getting cut off in my final file when it's forced to 4:3?

2. Should I continue to use cartoon mode to do this show? It's not as simple as The Simpsons, but it's not as complex as anime. It's kind of like Justice League Unlimited or Batman: The Animated Series as far was complexity of the animation.

3. Should I be using "Force normal IVTC method"? I see that the content is "considered to be hybrid (mostly FILM)" -- and when I did my Animaniacs discs, that was also the case (though not always "FILM"), and it was suggested I use the IVTC thing with that. Or maybe I don't need that here? Does my log tell you if I do?

3a. Would it help with the stuttering on the pans? I think I got that anyways on Animaniacs even using the IVTC thing. The rest of the motion in the animation on the Ben 10 conversion looks pretty good (no stuttering -- just on the pans).

Any help is appreciated -- thanks!

[unskinnyboy]

1. Will I get a better picture quality by making the final files 300mb instead of 180mb as I did above? Or would it be better quality-wise to actually make them smaller?Unless you screw it up in some other way, more file size = more quality.

1a. If the original resolution is 720x480 and the original aspect ratio is 4:3, then why is the generated aspect ratio 720x544? I'm guessing it has something to do with choosing a target size of 300mb, but why would the 720 be the same, but the 480 be 544? Does this mean the picture is getting cut off in my final file when it's forced to 4:3?You set the width to 'Auto' maybe and set it initially to 640. At that resolution, the compressibility percentage was too high, so AutoGK decides to use a higher resolution and switches to 720. It also tries to keep the 4:3 AR, so that's why it is 720x544. Do some reading up on Aspect Ratios to know more.

2. Should I continue to use cartoon mode to do this show? It's not as simple as The Simpsons, but it's not as complex as anime. It's kind of like Justice League Unlimited or Batman: The Animated Series as far was complexity of the animation. No straight answer for this. Cartoon mode usually works best when there are a lot of "flat" surfaces and fewer textures. If that's how this is, then CM would work. Testing this both ways and seeing for yourself is a no-brainer anyway. Actually we frown upon questions which can be easily tested by the user himself (like this).

3. Should I be using "Force normal IVTC method"? I see that the content is "considered to be hybrid (mostly FILM)" -- and when I did my Animaniacs discs, that was also the case (though not always "FILM"), and it was suggested I use the IVTC thing with that. Or maybe I don't need that here? Does my log tell you if I do? You shouldn't have to force IVTC. Your log shows that AutoGK is already IVTC'ing the video. Look at Telecide()/Decimate() part of the log.

3a. Would it help with the stuttering on the pans? I think I got that anyways on Animaniacs even using the IVTC thing. The rest of the motion in the animation on the Ben 10 conversion looks pretty good (no stuttering -- just on the pans). Is the stuttering there in the source too during panning? You may want to post a VOB sample from that scene so that someone can take a look.

[sujit]

hi
1> yes larger file = better picture quality.
2> All NTSC dvds are 720x480 even though some are 4:3 and some are 16:9. thats because mpeg2 have a flag that tells how the image is to be displayed. avi dont have that. the actual resolution determines the aspect ratio.
4/3 = 1.33
720/480 = 1.5, so this cant be your resolution for avi.
720/544 = 1.32, thats pretty close to 1.33.
hence, the resolution is being changed so as to maintain the aspect ratio.
autogk is automatic, so its not always correct. use dgindex to see what kind so source you are dealing with (video type, frame type).

i dont kw answers to rest of your questions. some expert here can advice you on that.

[Bosko]

You set the width to 'Auto' maybe and set it initially to 640. At that resolution, the compressibility percentage was too high, so AutoGK decides to use a higher resolution and switches to 720. It also tries to keep the 4:3 AR, so that's why it is 720x544.

I used Auto width. I'm not sure what it was set to in the number (manual width?) in that same window. It migth have been 640, but that's shouldn't matter if "Auto Width" was checked, right? I only ran the conversion once -- and that was with Auto Width.


Is the stuttering there in the source too during panning? You may want to post a VOB sample from that scene so that someone can take a look.

I will check this when I get home. How do I make a VOB sample to post?

I will also run one without cartoon mode and compare for myself. Just wanted expert opinions on that too...

Thanks.

[unskinnyboy]

I used Auto width. I'm not sure what it was set to in the number (manual width?) in that same window. It migth have been 640, but that's shouldn't matter if "Auto Width" was checked, right? I only ran the conversion once -- and that was with Auto Width.It does matter, depending on the source. Read the AutoGK guide.How do I make a VOB sample to post?ChopperXP.

[Bosko]

It does matter, depending on the source. Read the AutoGK guide.

I don't remember seeing that in there (or maybe I wasn't reading the same guide), because I thought Auto Width was separate from the number put in for manually setting it. Could you point me in the right direction with a link to the information you're talking about?

So should I set the width in that window to 720, but still choose Auto Width? (I'm kind of confused by this...)

Thanks for the help! :)

[unskinnyboy]

If you say Auto Width, then AutoGK will start at X (X = number in the box) and then lower or raise the width depending on the compressibility value after the compressibility test. If the compressibility value is low, then the resolution will be lowered and if the compressibility value is high, then the resolution will be increased.


If you say Minimum Width, you are saying that regardless of the compressibility, you need a minimum of X. This can result in artifacts on sources which have low compressibility, but you don't allow AutoGK to scale down the resolution.


If you say Fixed Width, you are saying that regardless of the compressibility, you need a fixed width of X. This can result in undersized files if the compressibility is very high.


If you say Maximum Width, you are saying that regardless of the compressibility, you don't want the width to go above X. This can also result in undersized files for a high compressibility value.


Clear?

[Bosko]

If you say Auto Width, then AutoGK will start at X (X = number in the box) and then lower or raise the width depending on the compressibility value after the compressibility test. If the compressibility value is low, then the resolution will be lowered and if the compressibility value is high, then the resolution will be increased.


If you say Minimum Width, you are saying that regardless of the compressibility, you need a minimum of X. This can result in artifacts on sources which have low compressibility, but you don't allow AutoGK to scale down the resolution.


If you say Fixed Width, you are saying that regardless of the compressibility, you need a fixed width of X. This can result in undersized files if the compressibility is very high.


If you say Maximum Width, you are saying that regardless of the compressibility, you don't want the width to go above X. This can also result in undersized files for a high compressibility value.


Clear?


I think so... Or, at least, more clear than before...

The guide for Auto Width says this:
First we have the Resolution settings. Auto width will leave it up to AutoGK to select the resolution that looks best given your selected size (number of CDs).

...so it doesn't really mention that the number in the box has any bearing. Maybe they should change that?

Okay, so follow-up questions:

1. What exactly does compressibility mean? I'm guessing the higher the %, the better? Mine said this:

Compressibility percentage is: 101.98
Predicted comptest value is: 72.23%
Expected quality of first pass size: 82.70%

...and my target size was 300mb.

2a. So would I be better of Using Auto, but setting the number in the box to 720, since that's the original width of the source?

2b. Or would I be better of Using Max Width and setting the number in the box to 720 (the original width of the source)?

2c. What's the difference between the two?

Thanks for fielding these newbie questions! I'm (slowly) learning and appreciate your help. I did read the guides, but this stuff is beyond what they had to say...

[Bosko]

Okay, so I did three different conversions:

Custom Size 300mb - Fixed width 640 FINAL SIZE: 286,594MB
Video size: 293,807,360 bytes (280.20 Mb)
Compressibility percentage is: 101.98
Predicted comptest value is: 92.09%
Expected quality of first pass size: 96.73%
Custom Size 250mb - Fixed width 640 FINAL SIZE: 256,054MB
Video size: 241,378,560 bytes (230.20 Mb)
Compressibility percentage is: 83.78
Predicted comptest value is: 75.66%
Expected quality of first pass size: 79.47%
Custom Size 220mb - Auto width FINAL SIZE: 225,342MB
(w/640 still in the window; this is the one I figured out what size would generate 640 on its own)
Video size: 209,921,280 bytes (200.20 Mb)
Compressibility percentage is: 72.86
Predicted comptest value is: 72.86%
Expected quality of first pass size: 69.11%
So what is the difference between the three of these, result-wise? And which is technically "better"? (I need to pick one of these so I can then do the visual tests for the one I choose to determine if I'll use cartoon mode or force normal IVTC method, etc. Trying to do that for each of these options is just too much...)

Plus, I want to understand what the difference is and why here, you know? Thanks!

Full logs in next post...

[Bosko]

Full logs are below:

Custom Size 300mb - Fixed width 640
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] AutoGK 2.40
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] Job started.
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] Input file: C:\DVD Rips\BEN10_S1_01\VTS_01_0.IFO
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] Output file: C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\640_c_ni(300).avi
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] Output codec: XviD
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] Audio 1: English AC3 2ch
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] Subtitles: none
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] Format: AVI
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] Target size: 300Mb
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] Custom resolution settings: fixed width of 640 pixels
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] Audio 1 settings: Auto
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] Standalone support enabled: ESS
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] Started encoding.
[3/9/2007 10:49:16 PM] Demuxing and indexing.
[3/9/2007 10:50:08 PM] Processing file: C:\DVD Rips\BEN10_S1_01\VTS_01_1.VOB
[3/9/2007 10:50:08 PM] Processing file: C:\DVD Rips\BEN10_S1_01\VTS_01_2.VOB
[3/9/2007 10:50:08 PM] Source resolution: 720x480
[3/9/2007 10:50:08 PM] Found NTSC source.
[3/9/2007 10:50:08 PM] Source aspect ratio: 4:3
[3/9/2007 10:50:08 PM] Analyzing source.
[3/9/2007 10:51:09 PM] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 40.98
[3/9/2007 10:51:09 PM] Source has percentage of telecined patterns: 92.23
[3/9/2007 10:51:09 PM] Source has percentage of progressive patterns: 3.11
[3/9/2007 10:51:09 PM] Source has percentage of interlaced patterns: 4.66
[3/9/2007 10:51:09 PM] Source is considered to be hybrid (mostly FILM).
[3/9/2007 10:51:09 PM] Looking for optimal hybrid thresholds.
[3/9/2007 10:51:20 PM] Found threshold of: 1.41
[3/9/2007 10:51:20 PM] Output will contain 32991 frames
[3/9/2007 10:51:20 PM] Decoding audio.
[3/9/2007 10:51:51 PM] Normalizing audio.
[3/9/2007 10:52:09 PM] Encoding audio.
[3/9/2007 10:55:02 PM] Using cartoon mode.
[3/9/2007 10:55:02 PM] Audio1 size: 19,445,760 bytes (18.54 Mb)
[3/9/2007 10:55:02 PM] Overhead: 1,319,680 bytes (1.26 Mb)
[3/9/2007 10:55:02 PM] Video size: 293,807,360 bytes (280.20 Mb)
[3/9/2007 10:55:02 PM] Running compressibility test.
[3/9/2007 10:55:02 PM] Writing the following script to C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\640_c_ni(300)_comptest.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\640_c_ni(300).d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 640
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=3,threshold=1.41)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
SelectRangeEvery(214,15)
===========================================================
[3/9/2007 10:57:22 PM] Duration was: 2 minutes 19 seconds
[3/9/2007 10:57:22 PM] Speed was: 16.58 fps.
[3/9/2007 10:57:22 PM] Compressibility percentage is: 101.98
[3/9/2007 10:57:22 PM] Using sharper matrix
[3/9/2007 10:57:22 PM] Chosen resolution is: 640x480 ( AR: 1.33 )
[3/9/2007 10:57:22 PM] Predicted comptest value is: 92.09%
[3/9/2007 10:57:22 PM] Running first pass.
[3/9/2007 10:57:22 PM] Writing the following script to C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\640_c_ni(300)_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\640_c_ni(300).d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 640
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=3,threshold=1.41)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
===========================================================
[3/9/2007 11:14:43 PM] Duration was: 17 minutes 20 seconds
[3/9/2007 11:14:43 PM] Speed was: 31.70 fps.
[3/9/2007 11:14:43 PM] Expected quality of first pass size: 96.73%
[3/9/2007 11:14:43 PM] Running second pass.
[3/9/2007 11:39:03 PM] Duration was: 24 minutes 19 seconds
[3/9/2007 11:39:03 PM] Speed was: 22.60 fps.
[3/9/2007 11:39:03 PM] Job finished. Total time: 49 minutes 46 seconds

Custom Size 250mb - Fixed width 640
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] AutoGK 2.40
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] Job started.
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] Input file: C:\DVD Rips\BEN10_S1_01\VTS_01_0.IFO
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] Output file: C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\640_c_ni.avi
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] Output codec: XviD
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] Audio 1: English AC3 2ch
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] Subtitles: none
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] Format: AVI
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] Target size: 250Mb
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] Custom resolution settings: fixed width of 640 pixels
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] Audio 1 settings: Auto
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] Standalone support enabled: ESS
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] Started encoding.
[3/9/2007 9:30:53 PM] Demuxing and indexing.
[3/9/2007 9:31:43 PM] Processing file: C:\DVD Rips\BEN10_S1_01\VTS_01_1.VOB
[3/9/2007 9:31:43 PM] Processing file: C:\DVD Rips\BEN10_S1_01\VTS_01_2.VOB
[3/9/2007 9:31:43 PM] Source resolution: 720x480
[3/9/2007 9:31:43 PM] Found NTSC source.
[3/9/2007 9:31:43 PM] Source aspect ratio: 4:3
[3/9/2007 9:31:43 PM] Analyzing source.
[3/9/2007 9:32:40 PM] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 40.98
[3/9/2007 9:32:40 PM] Source has percentage of telecined patterns: 92.23
[3/9/2007 9:32:40 PM] Source has percentage of progressive patterns: 3.11
[3/9/2007 9:32:40 PM] Source has percentage of interlaced patterns: 4.66
[3/9/2007 9:32:40 PM] Source is considered to be hybrid (mostly FILM).
[3/9/2007 9:32:40 PM] Looking for optimal hybrid thresholds.
[3/9/2007 9:32:55 PM] Found threshold of: 1.41
[3/9/2007 9:32:55 PM] Output will contain 32991 frames
[3/9/2007 9:32:55 PM] Decoding audio.
[3/9/2007 9:33:28 PM] Normalizing audio.
[3/9/2007 9:33:49 PM] Encoding audio.
[3/9/2007 9:36:33 PM] Using cartoon mode.
[3/9/2007 9:36:33 PM] Audio1 size: 19,445,760 bytes (18.54 Mb)
[3/9/2007 9:36:33 PM] Overhead: 1,319,680 bytes (1.26 Mb)
[3/9/2007 9:36:33 PM] Video size: 241,378,560 bytes (230.20 Mb)
[3/9/2007 9:36:33 PM] Running compressibility test.
[3/9/2007 9:36:33 PM] Writing the following script to C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\640_c_ni_comptest.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\640_c_ni.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 640
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=3,threshold=1.41)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
SelectRangeEvery(214,15)
===========================================================
[3/9/2007 9:38:44 PM] Duration was: 2 minutes 10 seconds
[3/9/2007 9:38:44 PM] Speed was: 17.70 fps.
[3/9/2007 9:38:44 PM] Compressibility percentage is: 83.78
[3/9/2007 9:38:44 PM] Using sharper matrix
[3/9/2007 9:38:44 PM] Chosen resolution is: 640x480 ( AR: 1.33 )
[3/9/2007 9:38:44 PM] Predicted comptest value is: 75.66%
[3/9/2007 9:38:44 PM] Running first pass.
[3/9/2007 9:38:44 PM] Writing the following script to C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\640_c_ni_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\640_c_ni.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 640
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=3,threshold=1.41)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
===========================================================
[3/9/2007 9:54:51 PM] Duration was: 16 minutes 6 seconds
[3/9/2007 9:54:51 PM] Speed was: 34.13 fps.
[3/9/2007 9:54:51 PM] Expected quality of first pass size: 79.47%
[3/9/2007 9:54:51 PM] Running second pass.
[3/9/2007 10:17:21 PM] Duration was: 22 minutes 30 seconds
[3/9/2007 10:17:21 PM] Speed was: 24.44 fps.
[3/9/2007 10:17:21 PM] Job finished. Total time: 46 minutes 27 seconds

[Bosko]

Custom Size 220mb - Auto width
[3/9/2007 11:44:01 PM] AutoGK 2.40
[3/9/2007 11:44:01 PM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[3/9/2007 11:44:01 PM] Job started.
[3/9/2007 11:44:01 PM] Input file: C:\DVD Rips\BEN10_S1_01\VTS_01_0.IFO
[3/9/2007 11:44:01 PM] Output file: C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\640_c_ni(220).avi
[3/9/2007 11:44:01 PM] Output codec: XviD
[3/9/2007 11:44:01 PM] Audio 1: English AC3 2ch
[3/9/2007 11:44:01 PM] Subtitles: none
[3/9/2007 11:44:01 PM] Format: AVI
[3/9/2007 11:44:01 PM] Target size: 220Mb
[3/9/2007 11:44:01 PM] Audio 1 settings: Auto
[3/9/2007 11:44:01 PM] Standalone support enabled: ESS
[3/9/2007 11:44:01 PM] Started encoding.
[3/9/2007 11:44:01 PM] Demuxing and indexing.
[3/9/2007 11:44:55 PM] Processing file: C:\DVD Rips\BEN10_S1_01\VTS_01_1.VOB
[3/9/2007 11:44:55 PM] Processing file: C:\DVD Rips\BEN10_S1_01\VTS_01_2.VOB
[3/9/2007 11:44:55 PM] Source resolution: 720x480
[3/9/2007 11:44:55 PM] Found NTSC source.
[3/9/2007 11:44:55 PM] Source aspect ratio: 4:3
[3/9/2007 11:44:55 PM] Analyzing source.
[3/9/2007 11:45:51 PM] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 40.98
[3/9/2007 11:45:51 PM] Source has percentage of telecined patterns: 92.23
[3/9/2007 11:45:51 PM] Source has percentage of progressive patterns: 3.11
[3/9/2007 11:45:51 PM] Source has percentage of interlaced patterns: 4.66
[3/9/2007 11:45:51 PM] Source is considered to be hybrid (mostly FILM).
[3/9/2007 11:45:51 PM] Looking for optimal hybrid thresholds.
[3/9/2007 11:46:01 PM] Found threshold of: 1.41
[3/9/2007 11:46:01 PM] Output will contain 32991 frames
[3/9/2007 11:46:01 PM] Decoding audio.
[3/9/2007 11:46:30 PM] Normalizing audio.
[3/9/2007 11:46:45 PM] Encoding audio.
[3/9/2007 11:49:28 PM] Using cartoon mode.
[3/9/2007 11:49:28 PM] Audio1 size: 19,445,760 bytes (18.54 Mb)
[3/9/2007 11:49:28 PM] Overhead: 1,319,680 bytes (1.26 Mb)
[3/9/2007 11:49:28 PM] Video size: 209,921,280 bytes (200.20 Mb)
[3/9/2007 11:49:28 PM] Running compressibility test.
[3/9/2007 11:49:28 PM] Writing the following script to C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\640_c_ni(220)_comptest.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\640_c_ni(220).d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 640
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=3,threshold=1.41)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
SelectRangeEvery(214,15)
===========================================================
[3/9/2007 11:51:38 PM] Duration was: 2 minutes 9 seconds
[3/9/2007 11:51:38 PM] Speed was: 17.79 fps.
[3/9/2007 11:51:38 PM] Compressibility percentage is: 72.86
[3/9/2007 11:51:38 PM] Chosen resolution is: 640x480 ( AR: 1.33 )
[3/9/2007 11:51:38 PM] Predicted comptest value is: 72.86%
[3/9/2007 11:51:38 PM] Running first pass.
[3/9/2007 11:51:38 PM] Writing the following script to C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\640_c_ni(220)_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\DVD Rips\Ben 10 (Season 1)\agk_tmp\640_c_ni(220).d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 640
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=3,threshold=1.41)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
===========================================================
[3/10/2007 12:07:48 AM] Duration was: 16 minutes 9 seconds
[3/10/2007 12:07:50 AM] Speed was: 34.01 fps.
[3/10/2007 12:07:53 AM] Expected quality of first pass size: 69.11%
[3/10/2007 12:07:53 AM] Running second pass.
[3/10/2007 12:30:25 AM] Duration was: 22 minutes 29 seconds
[3/10/2007 12:30:25 AM] Speed was: 24.44 fps.
[3/10/2007 12:30:25 AM] Job finished. Total time: 46 minutes 24 seconds

[unskinnyboy]

The 300 MB one is better because of it's bigger size and minimal compression. I thought this basic rule of thumb was clear already? Quoting myself:Unless you screw it up in some other way, more file size = more quality.But even the 220 MB one would look just fine because that isn't that horribly compressed either. If you do want to keep the target size of 300 MB, use a higher resolution because you can easily afford it.

I recommend you do some further reading to get the basics clear.

[Bosko]

The 300 MB one is better because of it's bigger size and minimal compression. I thought this basic rule of thumb was clear already? Quoting myself:But even the 220 MB one would look just fine because that isn't that horribly compressed either. If you do want to keep the target size of 300 MB, use a higher resolution because you can easily afford it.

I recommend you do some further reading to get the basics clear.

My research tell me that 4:3 720x480 DVD gets resized to 640x480 (480 x (4/3) = 640). The original pixels are non-square. Since it's a height of 480 rows of pixels, by converting that to 544 it's interpolating and *not* creating any new detail. And because of the interpolation - because of the resizing in 2 directions instead of one had it been made into 640x480 - it may actually look worse. But the chances are 720x544 will look much like 640x480.

So that seems to imply using a higher resolution is pointless...

But a 300mb 640x480 file would be better, I guess.

And I'm more than willing to read up on the basics, as you suggest, if you'd like to provide me a link to something that actually clearly and concisely explains them. The AutoGK guide here does not to a high enough degree, IMO.

[foxyshadis]

What's important is to remember that when you play it back, you're interpolating up to the screen size anyway, and unless you use Haali's renderer, or VMR9 in mpc with bicubic shader, it's always bilinear filtered. So sizing up with a more powerful resizer can preserve more detail if you have enough bitrate. On the other hand, you could just use ffdshow on playback for the same effect.

Mostly matters if you care about preserving every shred of detail, 640x isn't that different from 720x. For a 2.15:1 movie, where you end up with something like 720x224 or 640x192, you can see how you can lose a lot of detail if you only size down vertically.

[unskinnyboy]

My research tell me that 4:3 720x480 DVD gets resized to 640x480 (480 x (4/3) = 640). The original pixels are non-square. Since it's a height of 480 rows of pixels, by converting that to 544 it's interpolating and *not* creating any new detail. And because of the interpolation - because of the resizing in 2 directions instead of one had it been made into 640x480 - it may actually look worse. But the chances are 720x544 will look much like 640x480.

So that seems to imply using a higher resolution is pointless...

But a 300mb 640x480 file would be better, I guess.

And I'm more than willing to read up on the basics, as you suggest, if you'd like to provide me a link to something that actually clearly and concisely explains them. The AutoGK guide here does not to a high enough degree, IMO.Like foxyshadis said, you are going to be interpolating anyway when you watch this full screen on your TV or PC. And at this bitrate and low compressibility, you can afford to use a higher resolution if you *want* to. Yes, a 300 MB 640x480 would have been dandy, but as you can see for yourself, the target size wasn't achieved due to codec saturation. Now, AutoGK being "auto", there is little you can do (AutoGK even exhausted its last arrow - the sharp matrix) to hit the target size and still be 640x480. Outside of AutoGK though, you could use a higher bitrate matrix, apply a sharpener if needed and all that. I am surprised that the log doesn't mention that b-frames were disabled (usually AutoGK does that to be able to hit the target size).

And when I suggested reading, it wasn't about reading yet another AutoGK guide. It was about reading about compression basics - how resolution affects compressibility, why encodes undersize, how comptests work etc. No single link to point to, but you will get plenty of threads if you search.

[prOnorama]

Hi -- I'm trying to convert my Ben 10 episodes rips to .avi with AutoGK to fit them all on one disc. Normally I've been making 22min. cartoon episodes at about 180mb, but since I'm only putting 13 shows on a disc, I increased the size to 300mb.

As a sidenote: if your objective is to fill a single layer DVD you have more space: around 343 Mb per episode.

You could for instance choose to spend the extra Mb's to keep original audio (commonly AC3) especially if the extra Mb's aren't really needed to increase video quality :)