HD-DVD (EVO files) to WMV HD

[olivierdb]

Can anyone tell me the easiest way to convert EVO files to WMV HD so I can stream movies from my PC to my HDTV.

Thanks.

P.S. I have Windows Vista!

[slow4mula]

ya i've been looking around for a few hours on the forum and i can't get a real answer on what to use or how to really do this...i think it's possible but a real pain to do right now...

wtf do you do after you demux the evo files into m2v and audio??? what conversion programs will do this?

[mvdzwaan]

If you use graphedit to make a graph (with the sonic demuxer and decoder but without the renderer) you can feed this grf file to Avisynth using DirectShowSource.

I've encoded a couple of HDDVD's this, but still looking to get the DD+ track into my encoder...

[olivierdb]

I've noticed many folks on this forum use Sonic Scenarist 4.1 demuxer and/or decoder, but it's difficult to find! I use Cyberlink PowerDVD Ultra to playback HD-DVDs and I've noticed there are many Cyberlink DirectShow filters available from within graphedit. I just don't know which ones to use and in what order!http://farm1.static.flickr.com/171/411325827_a3ed2c79c9.jpg?v=0

[mvdzwaan]

Graphedit does not allow me to add the relevant filt HD-DVD filters... But it should be anything like file source...demux...decode

[olivierdb]

Can anyone tell me if this filter graph is correct and what the next steps would be to encode and mux to WMV? I've been wondering if crypto's WMV muxer (available on this forum) may be used here?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/411500504_391ff137ae.jpg?v=0

[mvdzwaan]

Can anyone tell me if this filter graph is correct and what the next steps would be to encode and mux to WMV? I've been wondering if crypto's WMV muxer (available on this forum) may be used here?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/411500504_391ff137ae.jpg?v=0

You can feed this grf to avisynth by using directshowsource. Note Avisynth can only handle video or audio, not both at the same time

[sxt173]

I believe there is a long thread on this matter and it is an area of continued work:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120652&page=1

[olivierdb]

Thank you, sxt173. I went thru that thread, but I didn't find what I was looking for. So far, I've been successful demuxing an EVO file to VC-1 and DD+/DTS-HD using EVO demux (http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=EVOdemux). I've also been able to play a VC-1 video inside WMP11. I constructed the GRF file as follows:
File Source Async. (VC-1)>Intervideo Demultiplexer>Intervideo Video Decoder.
The AVS file is as follows:
Directshowsource("C:\Path to GRF file\ivTest.GRF",fps=23.976,audio=false,seekzero=false,seek=true).trim(0,3000).
Associate the file type AVS to WMP11 and there you have it!
Getting the audio seems to be the tricky part!!!

[olivierdb]

Anyhow, for those of you who have Sonic Scenarist 4.1 and VirtualDub running under Windows XP (there are some problems under Vista I understand!), you may use this guide (http://hdclips.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2411&pid=10317&mode=threaded&show=&st=&).

[sxt173]

@ olivierdb

Yeah, syncing the video and audio, or even getting each is the main problem right now. Keep an eye on the link I sent, I think that's where the main development work is going on.

My hopes: Being able to use something as easy as DVD Decrypter to rip HDDVD's to ISO.

[olivierdb]

For all ye lucky Dudes out there with an XBox 360, you may to check out the latest version of Nero (http://www.nero.com/nero7/eng/index.html)...

Xbox 360™ streaming

Now watch movies stored on your PC in any room in the house! With Nero MediaHome and the latest update of Nero 7 Premium Reloaded installed on your Windows XP operating system, you can use Nero MediaHome to stream content to an Xbox™ 360 and enjoy movies in the comfort of your living room!

[olivierdb]

So far, I have not managed to convert any HD-DVDs to WMV HD. I am having difficulties converting the AVS files to WMV HD under Vista. However, I have patially succeeded in converting HD-DVDs to xvid + mp3, albeit out of sync! Please see the following screenshot of graphedit. Should you have any idea how to get the audio and video in sync please post on this thread.

[slow4mula]

For all ye lucky Dudes out there with an XBox 360, you may to check out the latest version of Nero (http://www.nero.com/nero7/eng/index.html)...

i tried to use nero mediahome to stream a 720p wmv of the fifth element to my xbox 360. even after messing with all of the transcode settings in mediahome it would constantly stutter and pause while streaming. the movie plays fine if burned to a dvd-r in the xbox 360 itself...

[olivierdb]

There could be several reasons for that! I presume you're streaming over a wireless connection... in which case 802.11g may not be sufficient and you would instead need a wi-fi router that supports 802.11n. Otherwise, have you tried the "keep original format" for all the transcoding options?

FYI - If you have Windows Vista, you won't need Nero MediaHome to stream a WMV movie to your XBox, because the Windows Connect media server is integrated into the Windows Media Player 11 under Vista.

[mvdzwaan]

FYI - If you have Windows Vista, you won't need Nero MediaHome to stream a WMV movie to your XBox, because the Windows Connect media server is integrated into the Windows Media Player 11 under Vista.

Windows Media Connect is integrated in WMP11 on XP as well...

Only use for mediahome is if you don't have a wmv file and want to transcode

[slow4mula]

There could be several reasons for that! I presume you're streaming over a wireless connection... in which case 802.11g may not be sufficient and you would instead need a wi-fi router that supports 802.11n. Otherwise, have you tried the "keep original format" for all the transcoding options?

FYI - If you have Windows Vista, you won't need Nero MediaHome to stream a WMV movie to your XBox, because the Windows Connect media server is integrated into the Windows Media Player 11 under Vista.


ya i know that, but i'd rather use one application to stream all media types.

i was using a wired 100 mbit linksys switch, and i tried a direct cable connection as well, but neither worked very well.

i tried all the transcoding options in mediahome...didnt seem to have much effect.

all my low res divx, quicktime, etc movies streamed fine, but the 720p wmv didnt work for crap...

just fyi..

[olivierdb]

OK, here it is! A small guide explaining how to convert an HD-DVD to WMV HD file for streaming to a wireless media player or your XBox. Feel free to chose other parameter settings for your encoding process. The ones I have used are probably not optimal and please don't forget to share your findings with the rest of the community.

[k-c-ksum]

OK, here it is! A small guide explaining how to convert an HD-DVD to WMV HD file for streaming to a wireless media player or your XBox. Feel free to chose other parameter settings for your encoding process. The ones I have used are probably not optimal and please don't forget to share your findings with the rest of the community.


anychance of a html version. No images in wordpad :(

[olivierdb]

Guide to convert HD-DVDs to WMV HD with 2 audio channels

Please note that this solution is by no means the only solution possible nor is it necessarily the best! It's just proven to work for me!

If you are looking for 5.1 channel support, please refer to this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=996428#post996428) a little further in this thread!

Required software :

1) AnyDVD HD (http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvd.html)[Commercial] or BackupHDDVD (http://www.softpedia.com/get/CD-DVD-Tools/CD-DVD-Rip-Other-Tools/BackupHDDVD.shtml) [Free]
2) EVO Demux (http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=EVOdemux)[Free]
3) InterVideo WinDVD8 (http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/Downloads.jsp)[Commercial]
4) DTS/AC3/DD+ source filter (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=974218#post974218)[Free]
5) AviSynth (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=57023) [Free]
6) WM Encoder 9 Series (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/encoder/default.mspx)[Free]
7) Alex Zambelli’s Windows Media Encoder Command Line Script Utility (WMCmd.vbs (http://www.citizeninsomniac.com/WMV/)) [Free]

Install guide

Installations are quite straight forward with a few exceptions:

1) To install DTS/AC3/DD+ source filter, extract “dtsac3source-full.ax” to C:\Windows\System32 then register the filter using Start>Run and entering “regsvr32 C:\Windows\System32\dtsac3source-full.ax” (without the quotes!)

2) WM Encoder 9 Series should install in C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder. Rename the original WMCmd.vbs located there in and extract Zambelli’s WMCmd.vbs to this location.


Conversion Guide

STEP 1: Rip HD-DVD
Use AnyDVD HD or BackupHDDVD to rip the contents of your HD-DVD to your Hard Disk.

STEP 2: Demux main EVO files
In this step, you will demux the EVO files previously ripped into namely DTS HD audio and VC-1 video.
Open EVO Demux and select the “Options” tab. Specify the following extensions respectively for video, audio and subtitles: vc1, dts and sup. Then make sure “Count Frames” and “Continue with second EVO” are checked. Next, chose the “Status” tab, browse to and select your first main EVO file. Your file will first be analyzed and the total number of “calculated frames” will appear at the bottom. Write this number down.

STEP 3: Create GRF files for the audio and video

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/217/443851798_94954e17ab_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/254/443851802_ae00c3e176_b.jpg

STEP 4: Create the corresponding AVS files

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/201/443851808_43e7cb4dce_o.jpg

Erratum: "9999" should read "3000"!

STEP 5: Create the BAT file to encode the last AVS file to WMV HD

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/242/443851812_a716cf538c_o.jpg

Double click on the .bat file to start encoding…

[vitodeluca]

Oliverdb- Great guide! Really helpful and informative. I do have a couple questions:

Number 1: What about AVC encoded HD-DVD's? I would assume you could render the video using the intervideo demultiplexer as well, but I just wanted to ask

Number 2: I notice in your Avisynth script it looks like you are re-encoding the video using wm9, have you tried using VC1 encoding? (In which case you would have to cap the bitrate around 6500 kbit/sec for the media center extender). I just wondered if you played with both codecs or not. Anyhow, all your work is greatly appreciated by many, thanks again.

[olivierdb]

You're most welcome vitodeluca.

1) InterVideo demultiplexer should be able to demux AVC encoded HD-DVDs as well, but I haven't tested because I don't have an AVC encoded HD movie.

2) Actually, in my wmcmd.bat file, I used "-v_mode 2" which is constant quality one-pass, so the bitrate parameter would be ignored. I've also tested WVC1 encoding with jubilex's parameters (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=977632#post977632) (I just had to change the number of audio channels to 2 and reduced the bit rate to 192 because my ears can't make the difference!). The results were awesome! Here's how you should amend the wmcmd.bat file:

cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "C:\path to\sourec.avs" -output "C:\path to\ouput.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 192_44_2_24

[Evilution]

Wow totally learning all this read through all the pages of evo demuxers that took a couple of days now let me ask you when I try to run the batch file I creat I get error that says.

Microsoft VBScript runtime error: Subscript out of range: 'intIndex2'

Any clues as to why?

[NHRaider]

You're most welcome vitodeluca.

1) InterVideo demultiplexer should be able to demux AVC encoded HD-DVDs as well, but I haven't tested because I don't have an AVC encoded HD movie.

2) Actually, in my wmcmd.bat file, I used "-v_mode 2" which is constant quality one-pass, so the bitrate parameter would be ignored. I've also tested WVC1 encoding with jubilex's parameters (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=977632#post977632) (I just had to change the number of audio channels to 2 and reduced the bit rate to 192 because my ears can't make the difference!). The results were awesome! Here's how you should amend the wmcmd.bat file:

cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "C:\path to\sourec.avs" -output "C:\path to\ouput.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 192_44_2_24

I've followed the instructions and the video seems to be working...except I'm not getting audio for the movies. I did however get the short cartoon in front of March of the Penguins to work...

I'm using the same GRF file as you are...DD source+ along with the Intervideo audio decoder.

Any hints? Also, I've been pushing the AVS into DivX converter... Following the script for WMV HD I was getting gigantic files...

[olivierdb]

@Evilution: Sorry, I think you need an expert here! I'm not sure why you're getting that error or what it means! Verify your paths to the .avs files and try changing (downsizing) the wmcmd.bat parameters.

@NHRaider: Have you tried playing the Audio_Only.avs in WMP?

[zambelli]

Wow totally learning all this read through all the pages of evo demuxers that took a couple of days now let me ask you when I try to run the batch file I creat I get error that says.

Microsoft VBScript runtime error: Subscript out of range: 'intIndex2'

Any clues as to why?
Something must be wrong about the command-line - that error is coming from the command-line parser.

Can you copy here the part of the batch file that calls wmcmd.vbs?

[NHRaider]

@Evilution: Sorry, I think you need an expert here! I'm not sure why you're getting that error or what it means! Verify your paths to the .avs files and try changing (downsizing) the wmcmd.bat parameters.

@NHRaider: Have you tried playing the Audio_Only.avs in WMP?

I'm only having problems with the audio. I can watch the video loading .avs into WMP. I can load the audio .avs into WMP and I can see that it is running and that the time of 1:20 is correct. It's just not outputting any sound. I've tried this on both King Kong and March of the Penguins. I was able to get the audio working with the Bugs Bunny short that comes with March of the Penguins but that may be due to it being stereo and not DD (not sure). I have the same exact filters you are using. I also noticed that in the graphedit file that I have the 2 filters, I have an open XFORM out port on the Intervideo Audio Decoder. Does that need some termination like a encoder or renderer?? or is it ok having the open output on the filter

DirectShowFilters -> DTS/AC3/DD+ Source
DirectShowFilters -> Intervideo Audio Decoder

I also tried:

DirectShowFilters -> DTS/AC3/DD+ Source
DirectShowFilters -> AC3 Filter

Same result. Running the .avs file in WMP shows it playing with the correct time of 1:20 but no sound...!!!

Also, I have a quick question re: to the size of the outputs...The bugs bunny short was about 1GB EVO. The script created a 1.8GB WMV HD file. I used 96 quality. This seems large. When I put the .avs file into DivX converter, the file comes out 250MB... Is that just the difference between 1080p and 720p? Or is this a paramenter issue with the .vbs?

Thanks in advance!

BTW: I've had this in the background for 5 days trying to figure it out...It was killing me waiting for the 5 day registration waiting period!

[olivierdb]

@NHRaider: HAHAHA!!! Yeah, those 5 days waiting time were a real nuisance to me too!

Anyhow, I suggest you open the AudioAndVideo.avs file with VirtualDub and check the parameters under File>File Information. Check if the settings for wmcmd.vbs make sense with those under VirtualDub. Also check audio parameters in EVO Demux (when reading the EVO file). Sorry I'm not of a great help here, you need someone more knowledgeable than myself.

Mind you, if the Audio_Only.avs doesn't play, it seems that there is an issue in the GRF file! Either with the DD+ filter or the InterVideo audio decoder. Do you have the Sonic Audio Decoder? You could try that in the place of InterVideo.

[NHRaider]

@NHRaider: HAHAHA!!! Yeah, those 5 days waiting time were a real nuisance to me too!

Anyhow, I suggest you open the AudioAndVideo.avs file with VirtualDub and check the parameters under File>File Information. Check if the settings for wmcmd.vbs make sense with those under VirtualDub. Also check audio parameters in EVO Demux (when reading the EVO file). Sorry I'm not of a great help here, you need someone more knowledgeable than myself.

Mind you, if the Audio_Only.avs doesn't play, it seems that there is an issue in the GRF file! Either with the DD+ filter or the InterVideo audio decoder. Do you have the Sonic Audio Decoder? You could try that in the place of InterVideo.

Yeah..something is wrong with the GRF audio...just don't know what it is!! I've tried every Audio decoder there was in filter...Cyberlink, Intervideo, Sonic, AC3 etc...

I've demuxed to wma and wmp in addition to the dts and vc1... Same result...can view the video in WMP...but the audio shows playing but no sound!

I haven't bothered with the vbs script stuff yet since I can't get the audio to play in WMP with just the audio .avs...

Nothing...I hope I attached the File > File Information correctly...

Sampling Rate: 48000Hz
Channels: 2(Stereo)
Sample Precision: 16-bit
Compression: PCM (Uncompressed)
Layout: 115467 chunks (0.04s preload)
Length: 231164160 samples (1:20:15.92)
Min/avg/max/total frame size: 8008/8008/8008 902989K)
Data Rate: 1536 kpbs (0.30% overhead)

[olivierdb]

If you have Sonic, maybe this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=977085#post977085) might help!

[NHRaider]

If you have Sonic, maybe this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=977085#post977085) might help!

No Sonic Demuxer...all I have for filters for sonic is a Cinemaster decoder...

I'm not sure how I can have this DD issue with the only 2 videos I have...March of the Penguin and King Kong...

I also did the first back-up of king kong using DVDFab HD decryptor so AnyDVD wasn't even in the picture at that point.

I'm totally stumped...the only audio I was able to work was the Bugs Bunny cartoon included in the HD-DVD for penguin...

[NHRaider]

If you have Sonic, maybe this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=977085#post977085) might help!


On the March of the Penguin, there are several movies on it beyond the feature. Each of them are DD.

I can get audio to work for ALL of them except for the feature. Is there some sort of size limitation that I need some parameter changed? Or am I getting some permission/restriction that is stopping the audio?

Not sure but I can get smaller EVOs to work but not larger ones.

I have subsequently loaded the Sonic HD pack 4.2 and have been able to get audio with that filter...so at least that is accomplished...now need to see if I can create the WMV HD file and stream it... Next step would be to figure out how to get sound that is more than 2 channel and then tweak the vbs parameters...

[NHRaider]

Something must be wrong about the command-line - that error is coming from the command-line parser.

Can you copy here the part of the batch file that calls wmcmd.vbs?

I was having problems with audio and seemed to fix it with Sonic Cineplayer Decoder Pack 4.2. When I ran the batch file I got an warning repeated 6 times:

The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0
The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0
ContextExeption thrown by BaseCertificate:GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with Context
Field
Audio_Dolby_8ch
not found in certificate
C\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates0\DVDitProHD.rxc

This was the script:
cscript.exe "c:\program files\windows media components\encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "audioandvideo.avs" -output "output.wmv" -v_codec wmv9 -v_mode 0 -v_bitrate 8000000 -v_keydist 30 -v_buffer 600000 -v_quality 95

[olivierdb]

@NHRaider: I don't see any audio settings in your script! Try adding:

-a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_24

[NHRaider]

@NHRaider: I don't see any audio settings in your script! Try adding:

-a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_24

I've been testing the file I created...took about 12 hours to finish with the script above.

Source EVO = 11GB => WMV HD = 4.7GB.

I will try different parameters to get the results I'm looking for.

I'm streaming on a Helios X-5000. I tried a script that had the audio codec above and with a preset and a few other parameters. When I streamed, I got a "Broadcast Not Supported" message on my Helios. Not sure if it was the audio or one of the other parameters. I'll have to do a process of elimination to find out which one is the culprit.

Thanks again for all the help and the guide to do this...

Now all we need is for someone to package this all up in one App!!

[olivierdb]

Nice piece of equipment! Support for HD-DVD and/or BluRay would have made it a killer! Shame...

[NHRaider]

Nice piece of equipment! Support for HD-DVD and/or BluRay would have made it a killer! Shame...

I love the Helios x-5000...Nothing to not love...upscaling 1080p...streams the majority of stuff I have...no problems streaming very large files (>30GB)...only missing support for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray...it is firmware upgradable but I assume that the chip isn't capable...but for $350 it's worth it. When the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray is available on the Helios, I will be buying it...I hate screwing with disks..

Oh...btw, I used your -a_codec above and worked without issue. So at least I know that it wasn't the audio causing the broadcast warning...Now I just need to figure out .vbs settings to get great quality with minimal file size!!!

Cheers.

[NHRaider]

@NHRaider: I don't see any audio settings in your script! Try adding:

-a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_24

I'm looking at the documentation:

-a_setting Bitrate_SamplingRate_Channels_BitDepth.
For example, -a_setting 250_44_2_24 specifies 250 Kbps, 44 kHz, two channels, and 24-bit encoding. Use either 16- or 24-bit encoding. 24-bit is the default.

Where do I best find these parameteres? I will be running 6 or 8 channels and I believe virtualdub says it's 16bit encoding...

[olivierdb]

You'll find most of the parameters in EVO Demux under the "Status" tab after its analyzed your EVO files.

[zambelli]

Where do I best find these parameteres? I will be running 6 or 8 channels and I believe virtualdub says it's 16bit encoding...
Run "cscript wmcmd.vbs -a_formats" and you'll get the full listing for the codecs on your system.

[NHRaider]

Run "cscript wmcmd.vbs -a_formats" and you'll get the full listing for the codecs on your system.

How can i print that to a file? I can't scroll up to see the wmapro for WMV 9...

Thanks.

[zambelli]

Just like you print any output to a file:

cscript wmcmd.vbs -a_formats > output.txt

That works for any app that outputs to the command prompt.

[NHRaider]

Just like you print any output to a file:

cscript wmcmd.vbs -a_formats > output.txt

That works for any app that outputs to the command prompt.

I got that and was coming back to edit the message...This is a newbie thread...Thanks...

My media player will only stream wmv9...

I was looking through the formats and didn't see anything but 2 channel except for:
WMALSL : Windows Media Audio 9.2 Lossless (WMALSL):


Argument Quality Sampling rate Channel
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q100_44_2_16 Q100 44 2 16
Q100_44_2_24 Q100 44 2 24
Q100_48_2_24 Q100 48 2 24
Q100_48_6_24 Q100 48 6 24
Q100_88_2_24 Q100 88 2 24
Q100_88_6_24 Q100 88 6 24
Q100_96_2_24 Q100 96 2 24
Q100_96_6_24 Q100 96 6 24

Am I constrained to 2 channel? Is there 6 channel WMV9 that I need to load something?

[zambelli]

I was looking through the formats and didn't see anything but 2 channel except for:
WMALSL : Windows Media Audio 9.2 Lossless (WMALSL):
No, you ought to see 6-channel modes listed for WMAPRO too.

[NHRaider]

No, you ought to see 6-channel modes listed for WMAPRO too.

I guess I'm confused with Windows Media Audio 10 Professional re: WMV9. My media player can stream WMV9 but doesn't state any audio compatibility.

I may have 2 problems...It seems the only audio filter that works for me is Sonic Cinemaster Audio Decoder 4.2 which seems to be 2 channel. If I use AC3 after that filter, it sounds like LPs playing on 45's speed.

On the wmapro, I'm looking at the codecs on my machine and was trying to match a 6 channel with the bitsample(16 most of these movies I have) along with sampling (48K). When I look at the bitrate output for EVO demux, I don't seem to find a bitrate that matches...

Here is my script:
cscript.exe "wmcmd.vbs" -input "audioandvideo.avs" -output "test.wmv" -v_codec wmv9 -v_mode 0 -v_bitrate 8000000 -v_keydist 30 -v_buffer 600000 -v_quality 75 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 640_48_6_24

This is the log file generated from running the script:
Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.6
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation 1996-2001. All rights reserved.

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
Audio_Dolby_8ch
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\CertDVDitProHD.rxc


So I was able to set the a_setting and have it stream for 6 channels. That part of the problem is solved. Now I just need to find an Audio Decoder with more than 2 channels what works on my machine. I've been screwing with AC3 settings but it's speed is way off...

[zambelli]

I guess I'm confused with Windows Media Audio 10 Professional re: WMV9. My media player can stream WMV9 but doesn't state any audio compatibility.
Most standalone players supporting WMV playback only support WMA Standard, but I'd recommend you google around for information. I'm sure other people have run into the same question.

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
Audio_Dolby_8ch
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\CertDVDitProHD.rxc
Well I guess that's pretty clear: there's a crash occurring in one of the Roxio components. Also, note that it's apparently outputting 8 channels. You might want to encode to 8 channel WMA Pro then.

Now I just need to find an Audio Decoder with more than 2 channels what works on my machine. I've been screwing with AC3 settings but it's speed is way off...
What are you decoding? AC3? You should be able to use AC3Filter for that.

[NHRaider]

Most standalone players supporting WMV playback only support WMA Standard, but I'd recommend you google around for information. I'm sure other people have run into the same question.


Well I guess that's pretty clear: there's a crash occurring in one of the Roxio components. Also, note that it's apparently outputting 8 channels. You might want to encode to 8 channel WMA Pro then.


What are you decoding? AC3? You should be able to use AC3Filter for that.

I'm not sure if my player will play the wmapro. I output with 6 channel and it DID play. Unfortunately, it was playing wrong speed so I can't definately confirm it can stream yet, but at least it didn't give an "unsupported broadcast" message.

I tried using 8 channel output to see what is going on. It's weird that it's trying to use a component from DVDitPro HD. I used 768_48_8_24 (and every other 8 channel output) and got an error "Prepare to encode failed with error -1072886856 The input media format is invalid." I think this error comes from 2 channel Sonic 4.2 audio decoder trying to output to 8 channel.

On the AC3...I have DD+ as the source. I'm using the DD+/Dts/AC3 source filter in GraphEdit. So far, the only audio decoder that I can get to play audio is Sonic cinemaster audio decoder 4.2. Unfortunately it's only 2 channels. I'd like to output either 5.1 or 7.1. That's why I was trying AC3...it allows me to change channels to 6 or 8 and at least I'm getting sound playing the .avs using WMP. The only problem is that it's like listening to chipmumks.

BTW: earlier in this thread, someone got ""Microsoft VBScript runtime error: Subscript out of range: 'intIndex2'" running his script and you asked how he got that...I mistakenly got the same error by giving -a_setting without giving the parameter.

[deakorn]

Can someone help me with the avisynth script for putting 6 mono wavs in to procoder. I am having a hard time finding what im looking for. I tried using tranzcode and outputing a 5.1 wav but when i open it in procoder its only half the time its suppose to be. So this is y i went with the mono wavs.

[olivierdb]

@deakorn: I'm not sure what your post has to do with converting HD-DVDs to WMV HD. May I kindly suggest you create a new thread to make your issue more visible to everyone. Placing it here might cause some confusion!

Also, would you please clarify what it is you originally wanted to do? What is your source file and what is the target device or format? I think it would help if you would provide the .avs script and .grf files you're currently working with.

Thanks for your understanding.

[olivierdb]

I have been informed by CyberLink that "...you can use the CyberLink Media Deluxe (http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/products/main_114_ENU.html) software to stream your HD video files to your wireless device...", i.e. Media Deluxe may be used as a media server to stream HD content from your PC to your wireless media player. Unfortunately, since I hit the reset button on my wireless HD media player (DLink DSM-520) it would not switch back on! I personally don't recommend this device as it has proven quite unstable and doesn't do a very good job of detecting media servers IMHO. I have also been unsuccessful in obtaining a precise list of supported audio and video formats from DLink.

If anyone has the opportunity to test CyberLink's Media Deluxe ability to stream HD-DVD content to any wireless media player, I would be most grateful if you would share your findings.

The Media Deluxe trial version may be downloaded here (http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/download/trials_114_ENU.html). Please note that the file is quite large!

[NHRaider]

I have been informed by CyberLink that "...you can use the CyberLink Media Deluxe (http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/products/main_114_ENU.html) software to stream your HD video files to your wireless device...", i.e. Media Deluxe may be used as a media server to stream HD content from your PC to your wireless media player. Unfortunately, since I hit the reset button on my wireless HD media player (DLink DSM-520) it would not switch back on! I personally don't recommend this device as it has proven quite unstable and doesn't do a very good job of detecting media servers IMHO. I have also been unsuccessful in obtaining a precise list of supported audio and video formats from DLink.

If anyone has the opportunity to test CyberLink's Media Deluxe ability to stream HD-DVD content to any wireless media player, I would be most grateful if you would share your findings.

The Media Deluxe trial version may be downloaded here (http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/download/trials_114_ENU.html). Please note that the file is quite large!

I use Wizd for streaming HD to my Helios X-5000 and also to my Dlink DSM-520. I like Wizd since it can stream DVD .ISO files, as well as DivX HD and WMV HD...

I've had no issues with it...

[olivierdb]

Nice! You're very resourceful NHraider. Thank you for sharing.

Actually, I thought Media Deluxe would allow for the streaming of HD content (from HD-DVD drives connected to a PC) directly to a wireless media player, but that would still require the wireless media player to be able to play back the HD format being used. This is where Nero MediaHome sounded nice, because it had built-in transcoding. Unfortunately, Nero's HD-DVD plugin doesn't allow Nero MediaHome to read HD content! Currently, it is still not possible to use the HD-DVD plugin with Nero Recode either, so you can't easily recode the HD-DVD to say Nero Digital AVC video with Nero HE-AAC audio (which along with WMV HD video and WMA Pro audio are my prefered formats to encode to)!

[deakorn]

@olivierdb i have taken the DTS-HD ran it threw graphedit file (async)>SonicHD Demux>Dump then i took dts core and got a clean dts file like AJCrowley stated in another topic in this forum. I used Tranzcode to get 6 mono wavs from the clean dts core. now i want to creat a wma file to mux into a wmv. I would like to use procoder if its possible or i wouldnt mind using the command line wme but again i dont know how to create the avisynth script in order for these programs to use all 6 channels.

I hope this helps

[NHRaider]

Nice! You're very resourceful NHraider. Thank you for sharing.

Actually, I thought Media Deluxe would allow for the streaming of HD content (from HD-DVD drives connected to a PC) directly to a wireless media player, but that would still require the wireless media player to be able to play back the HD format being used. This is where Nero MediaHome sounded nice, because it had built-in transcoding. Unfortunately, Nero's HD-DVD plugin doesn't allow Nero MediaHome to read HD content! Currently, it is still not possible to use the HD-DVD plugin with Nero Recode either, so you can't easily recode the HD-DVD to say Nero Digital AVC video with Nero HE-AAC audio (which along with WMV HD video and WMA Pro audio are my prefered formats to encode to)!

I can stream VOB files and ISO files through Wizd and the Helios player. I've been screwing around with this thread so I can convert HD-DVD to WMV9 HD so I can stream with the same configuration. Until they upgrade to stream EVO files or some image backup of EVO then we will still be stuck doing the conversions.

BTW...I'm still stuck on the 2 channel output for DD+

I just got Discovery Brazil and used AC3 off the Dts/DD source filter and that was able to play 6 channels! but it isn't dd+ or the true HD

Sonic was the only one I got to work with DD+ but the 4.2 decoder for audio is ONLY 2 channels...

I've got zero hits on any suggestions beyond that so far...

wtf.

[aka DaMacFunkin]

I have been watching this thread with interest now for a while and i can't believe that no one has sussed it, them smeg / devils 360 guys seem to have got it down to tee, all i get is 17 gb movie files with no audio??? there must be something missing somewhere, any of the big boys got any ideas or want to write a tutorial?
Thanks.

[NHRaider]

I have been watching this thread with interest now for a while and i can't believe that no one has sussed it, them smeg / devils 360 guys seem to have got it down to tee, all i get is 17 gb movie files with no audio??? there must be something missing somewhere, any of the big boys got any ideas or want to write a tutorial?
Thanks.

Oliverdb started his thread and created the draft but it needs a lot more information to complete the cycle. Some of these "experts" should document this tutorial on how to convert HD-DVD to WMV9 so they don't get upset with people asking dumb questions or hijacking certain threads. :thanks:

I've gone through this process and still need a few pointers but at a minimum here are the topics which need to be discussed.

1) Filters. Understanding the type of movie converted and the various combination of filters to use on them...for example, for Video: use File Sources (asych) > Demux > video decoder. Audio is a WHOLE other ballgame. Now you don't use File Sources (asynch) but need a modified version of the DTS/AC3/DD+ source (which of course I can't seem to find googling). Then there is the audio decoder. If I use Intervideo you only get 2 channel. If you use AC3, I get sounds like chipmunks. I get sonic cinemaster 4.2 but that is only 2 channel as well (even though the muxer says 6).

2) AVS files...pretty straight forward

3) WMCmd.vbs... this has it's own thread with some presets. Of course the presets don't stream via my Helios media player since some setting can't be broadcast. The audio again seems to need clarification of applying EVO demux analysis for selecting which output -a_setting.
* BUT I was just recently told that 6 channel on 24 bitsPerSample is huge and I need 3 other thingys to output to 6 mono then put them back together again!!!

If someone could explain this tutorial a little better, we can all live happily ever after...but until that time, of course, I'll still be asking stupid questions! :)

I've managed to be able to take 20GB HD-DVD and create 8GB WMV9 files that are pretty good video quality...just want more than 2 channels! The search goes on...

[rancor187]

i tried to do this with my 2 hddvd's but having some problems creating "video_only.grf". When i add the EVO file, GraphEdit hangs.

I never used Graphedit before, so can anyone please explain me how to create this "video" GRF-File step by step?


thanks a lot.

[olivierdb]

@rancor187:

1. Open GraphEdit
2. Select Graph>Insert Filters... from the menu
3. Expand the DirectShow Filters list by clicking on the "+" sign
4. Click on the button "Insert Filetr"
5. In the dialog box that opens, select the VC-1 file that you will have created with EVO Demux (if you select an EVO file directly, you'll probably be missing the second EVO file corresponding to the second half of your HD movie)
6. Add the remaining filters and link the appropriate PINs.

Hope this helps!

[wolly6973]

I have been trying to get this working for a while(5 days). I believe that I have done all the steps of the tutorial correctly, and I added in the audio setting to my script, but when I try to encode it doesn't work. In my output text file it says that it "failed to retrieve source duration from plug-in" and in the wmv file created there is a message "Timeout waiting for graph to start" Any ideas? If you need some more info I will be happy to provide it as I would really like to get this working.

[rtyall]

I can stream VOB files and ISO files through Wizd and the Helios player. I've been screwing around with this thread so I can convert HD-DVD to WMV9 HD so I can stream with the same configuration. Until they upgrade to stream EVO files or some image backup of EVO then we will still be stuck doing the conversions.

BTW...I'm still stuck on the 2 channel output for DD+

I just got Discovery Brazil and used AC3 off the Dts/DD source filter and that was able to play 6 channels! but it isn't dd+ or the true HD

Sonic was the only one I got to work with DD+ but the 4.2 decoder for audio is ONLY 2 channels...

I've got zero hits on any suggestions beyond that so far...

wtf.

Just wondering, but have you checked in control panel and made sure that both your system settings are set to 5.1 speakers as well as the Sonic Cinemaster audio settings?
You would need both set to 5.1 before it'll work.

[olivierdb]

@wolly6973: In your Video_Only.avs file, please replace:

Directshowsource("C:\Path to Video GRF file\Video_Only.GRF", fps=23.976, audio=false, seekzero=false, seek=true).trim(0,3000)

with:

Directshowsource("C:\Path to Video GRF file\Video_Only.GRF", fps=23.976, audio=false, seekzero=false, seek=true, framecount=xxxx)

and replace "xxxx" with the amount of calculated frames obtained from EVO Demux.

If that doesn't work, please copy-paste the information pertaining to the audio stream you're using from EVO Demux. Also, please open a Dos window (Run>cmd), type the following:

cscript wmcmd.vbs -a_codecs

and copy-paste the results to this thread along with the wmcmd.bat script you're using.

[wolly6973]

I tried encoding the video separately.So right now the problem is that there is no length. I haven't gotten around to encoding the audio yet. I was planning on muxing them eventually.

I got my video to start encoding, but I got this...

Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.6
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation 1996-2001. All rights reserved.

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_FeatureValue
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_FeatureValueMask
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_FeatureDisplayName
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_PermissionToLaunch_Activation
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_TrialNagDelay
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_TrialNagFirstDelay
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_ActivationValidityOffset
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_ActivationValidityStartDate
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_HTMLFolderName
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_HTMLFolderName_Reg
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_DialogWidth
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_DialogHeight
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_ProductDisplayName
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_EnhancedProductDisplayName
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903] with context
Field
SAR_ActivationMode
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

Microsoft (R) Windows Media Encoder Command Line Script Utility
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


Warning: Encoder failed to retrieve duration attribute from source plug-in.
Trying alternate method now................................

Warning: Encoder failed to retrieve source duration again.
Encode process might not continue or progress report may be inaccurate.

It is encoding right now and I think it will work. I read in another thread that I just need to run it through WMStreameditor to get the length and seek to work. Here are my results from the codec search

Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.6
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation 1996-2001. All rights reserved.


Audio Codecs:
CBR Audio Mode :
[0] WMASTD : Windows Media Audio 9.2
[1] WMSP : Windows Media Audio Voice 9
[2] WMAPRO : Windows Media Audio 10 Professional
[3] PCM : None (PCM)


Peak Bit Rate-Based VBR Audio Mode :
[0] WMASTD : Windows Media Audio 9.2
[1] WMAPRO : Windows Media Audio 10 Professional


Quality-Based VBR Audio Mode :
[0] WMASTD : Windows Media Audio 9.2
[1] WMAPRO : Windows Media Audio 10 Professional
[2] WMALSL : Windows Media Audio 9.2 Lossless


Bit Rate-Based VBR Audio Mode :
[0] WMASTD : Windows Media Audio 9.2
[1] WMAPRO : Windows Media Audio 10 Professional

This is my video avs...
Directshowsource("C:\Video_Only.GRF", fps=23.976, audio=false, framecount = 160000, seekzero=false, seek=true)

Does it matter what order things are in?

My grf right now
filesource(async) -> Sonic hd demuxer -> Sonic Cinemaster Video Decoder 4.2 -> Null renderer(on cc out)

My wmcmd script(for video only)...
cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "C:\Video_Only.avs" -output "C:\OK.wmv" -v_codec WVC1 -videoonly -v_mode 0 -v_bitrate 8000000 -v_preset better -v_buffer 60000 -v_quality 100

Another quick question... How do I know if I am encoding to 1080p/i or 720p?

[olivierdb]

@wolly6973: I had those same error messages when using Sonic Video Decoder. I reported that problem but am still awaiting a response! I recommend you use InterVideo Video Decoder (which installs with WinDVD 8). Everything else you've done seems fine to me!

To know if you've encoded to 1080 or 720, you may use VirtualDub: Open your .avs file in VirtualDub and select File>Info.

[wolly6973]

I switched to intervideo's decoder and demuxer...At first it says it can't find duration..trying alternate method. Then it says that the duration is only 10 seconds!! It is wierd though because it continues to encode after the 10 seconds are done, but it no longer gives me the progress. Also, what kind of encoding speeds are normal? For those 10 seconds my speed was only around 0.1x. I have an athlon 64 3500+ and 1.5gb ram.

[olivierdb]

@wolly6973: Try using either framecount=3000 or .trim(0,3000) as shown above to encode just the first few minutes of your movie. It shouldn't take long too encode.

[wolly6973]

It doesn't matter what I put as a framecount, it still says that it can't find duration, tries the alternate method, and finds 10 seconds! Any ideas?

[olivierdb]

Does your video (.avs) play in WMP or VirtualDub? In VirtualDub, check the file length.

[wolly6973]

It will not play in WMP. It plays in virtualdub, but it is very slow and choppy. It reports the correct number of frames in virtualdub(I tried the original 160000 and 3000).

[vitodeluca]

hey there wally-
Are you using an h264 source? just wondering. Not cyber-eave's drop, but I had that same thing happen when I tried to encode (the 10 seconds length reported). This is not a problem as the program continues to run and the encode finishes. As far as the playback goes, it could just be that your computer is slow and choking on the VC1. I also notice you don't have any resize paramters in your command line, so you most likely encoded to 1080p, which can be hard for any but the fastest computers. Have you tried streaming it yet? You also might want to get rid of the v_buffer value in your command line, if you look in the thread about wmcmd in the new and alternative video codecs section it is discussed. Also, ditch the null renderer in your graph, all you need is the video decoder.

I would also like to share some of my experiences with everyone. I attempted to rip Equilibrium HDDVD and have discovered the following:

-When using a h264 encoded source, evodemuxer will give you files with the incorrect length. I tried a million different ways to handle the output demuxed video, and the length was always wrong. The way around this is to demux-> rebuild evo with single audio track-> open evo in graphedit and graph with evo-> sonic hd demultiplexer-> sonic video decoder (don't do anything with the audio) and use that as your avs source. When you check that avs in virtual dub for some reason it reports it correctly. There still seems to be a problem demuxing certain evobs, especially those in H264.

-DD+ sound to 6 channels: this is not very well documented in any one place, but as far as I can tell from reading through numerous threads on this board, graphedit and all available filters performance on rendering this to true 6 channel output as an input to the command line encoder is spotty at best. The best option I found was to simply demux the audio, use the tool called EAC3TOAC3 (check the evob muxer/demultiplexer thread) to create 6 mono wavs from the file, then input those into wmencoder to get the audio. When you use the command line, simply use the -video_only option to reencode the video, and then use wmmuxer to mux the video and audio. If you try and output 6 channels using graphedit in won't work, not really sure why. Something about the windows media .dll's not playing nice with sonic audio decoder or something.

I hope these things help, as this information is the result of hours of banging my head against a wall. :)

[wolly6973]

Just to let you know it is h264. I am letting the encode run it's course while I go to work to see what I get.
@ vitodeluca - Thanks for the info, I will see what I can do with it when I return this evening.

[wolly6973]

My 3000 frames encoded fine. So I have made progress. I am trying what you suggested vitodeluco and will let you know what happens.

[wolly6973]

@wolly6973:

To know if you've encoded to 1080 or 720, you may use VirtualDub: Open your .avs file in VirtualDub and select File>Info.

What parameters am I looking at in the info to know what format I'm in?

[vitodeluca]

If you put the file in "my videos" it will tell you the dimensions as well. Just right click on the bar at the top to add parameters you want to see.

[wolly6973]

Ok, it is in 1920x1088.How do I know if that is 1080i or p? I tried your method of rebuilding with one audio track...If I use the sonic codecs I get all those Content Exceptions from my previous post, and it does the 10 second thing. With Intervideo I only get the 10 seconds, but no no content exceptions. It is still working on encoding the whole movie.

[vitodeluca]

It's definitely p- the only way it would be interlaced is if you added that option into your command line to interlace it. As far as the exceptions, don't worry about them. The other thing I was going to mention is that you might have the correct length output file but your video might hang partway through. I always check the length of the video only avs first before encoding.

[wolly6973]

So how long should this encoding be taking? My file size right now is 2 Gb and it has been encoding for about 22 hrs. I have an athlon 64 3500+.

[bluesk1d]

It doesn't matter what I put as a framecount, it still says that it can't find duration, tries the alternate method, and finds 10 seconds! Any ideas?

I'm not sure if you have figured this out already or not but when I had this problem it was due to the renderer being attached to the video output pin on my graph. The graph has to have an open video out pin at the end of the chain for Avisynth to connect to.

[wolly6973]

I'm not sure if you have figured this out already or not but when I had this problem it was due to the renderer being attached to the video output pin on my graph. The graph has to have an open video out pin at the end of the chain for Avisynth to connect to.

I don't think that's the problem, there is a renderer on the line 21 output, but the video out is open. It will also encode the movie, I just don't get a progress or speed report after it does the 10 seconds.

BTW, it's been about 50 hrs encoding and it's still going. I think it is time to upgrade the processor! Does anyone know which is better; a big honkin single core, or a decent dual core?

[bluesk1d]

BTW, it's been about 50 hrs encoding and it's still going. I think it is time to upgrade the processor! Does anyone know which is better; a big honkin single core, or a decent dual core?

Check out http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html. Tom's hardware is the place for hardware performance info. Look at some of the CPU tests that involve encoding. Its the best way to find the best bang for your buck for what you want to use it for.

[wolly6973]

Thanks for the info bluesk1d. Defintely looks like dual core is the way to go. The price is falling pretty fast right now so I think I'll wait a little longer though.
Encoding still going...getting close to 60 hrs. I will be leaving for the weekend, hopefully it will be done when I get back!

[zambelli]

Just FYI: WMV encoder is 4-way threaded. So if you can get a dual-proc-dual-core - you'd be getting the most out of your WMV encodes.

[wolly6973]

OK. Thanks for the info.
Still Encoding...
I think I may have to set up a separate machine to do encoding on. I can't be tying up my media center pc this much!

[pneffkell]

Ok here is where I am at. I am new to this so I want to give complete background.

My filter graphs look like this

audio:
dts/ac3/dd+ source => Sonic Cinemaster Audio decoder => Ac3 filter

Filter set to 5.1 pcm 16bit use spdif checked

When i render the pin and run it i get great audio out.


Video:
vc1 file => sonic hd demuxer =>sonic Cinemaster video decoder


Video is great no problem.



Audio I get nothing when I command line it.

I then oppened avs in vurtual dub and save the WAV file.
When I play this file it appears to be a 6 channel file as it registers ad DD on my receiver

However if I try to split it into 6 wav files with besweet I get a center channel with some good sound and all the other channels are screaching

If I try and encode the video using the wav file straight from virtualdub I get video but no audio?

What am I doing wrong here/

[olivierdb]

I've had a lot of trouble trying to obtain WMA with 5.1 channels. I used eac3to, besweet, tranzcode, Windows multichannel combiner. I followed instructions on other threads, but nothing worked for me! There sometimes is quite a gap between theory and practice! So I decided to create a simpler guide that would offer support for 2 channels only until some clever person comes up with an easier and more reliable way to transcode DD+ to 5.1 ch WMA Pro. From my point of view, if it takes a day to transcode, there has got to be a better solution. If I find that solution, I will be happy to share it, until then, maybe 5.1 channel support should be left to the real handymen out there!

[zambelli]

I've had a lot of trouble trying to obtain WMA with 5.1 channels. I used eac3to, besweet, tranzcode, Windows multichannel combiner. I followed instructions on other threads, but nothing worked for me! There sometimes is quite a gap between theory and practice! So I decided to create a simpler guide that would offer support for 2 channels only until some clever person comes up with an easier and more reliable way to transcode DD+ to 5.1 ch WMA Pro. From my point of view, if it takes a day to transcode, there has got to be a better solution. If I find that solution, I will be happy to share it, until then, maybe 5.1 channel support should be left to the real handymen out there!
If you can get the DD+ decoded to mono WAVs - encoding to WMA Pro should be a piece of cake. As long as they are 16 or 24 bit mono PCM WAV files - WME9 will take them.

[shaolin95]

I think thats his problem (its been mine at least). No matter what I try I cant get any program to convert the audio to 6 mono wavs.
Ive been getting great help and just got two new pieces of info that hopefully will do the trick for me finally! :-)

If I do it I will report back.

Regards

[olivierdb]

Guide to convert HD-DVDs to WMV HD with 5.1 audio channels

Please note that this solution is by no means the only solution possible nor is it necessarily the best! It just happened to work for me!


Required software :

1) AnyDVD HD [Commercial] or BackupHDDVD [Free] or DVDFab HD Decrypter (http://www.dvdfab.com/free.htm) [Free]
2) EVO Demux [Free]
3) DTS/AC3/DD+ source filter [Free]
4) Sonic Cineplayer Decoder Pack 4.2 [Commercial]
5) AviSynth 2.5.7 [Free]
6) graphedit (which is part of the Windows SDK and should include the dump.ax filter) [Free]
6) WM Encoder 9 Series [Free]
7) Alex Zambelli’s Windows Media Encoder Command Line Script Utility (WMCmd.vbs ) [Free]
8) madshi's eac3to (http://madshi.net/eac3to.zip) [Free]
9) SoX 13.0 (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10706&package_id=10619&release_id=485785) [Free]
10) Tranzcode 0.40beta (http://tranzcode.byethost22.com/) [Free]
11) Windows Media Mono to Multichannel Wave Combiner 9 Series (WavAviMux (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/encoder/utilities.aspx)) [Free]


Install guide

Installations are quite straight forward with a few exceptions:

1) To install DTS/AC3/DD+ source filter, extract “dtsac3source-full.ax” to C:\Windows\System32 then register the filter using Start>Run and entering “regsvr32 C:\Windows\System32\dtsac3source-full.ax” (without the quotes!)

2) WM Encoder 9 Series should install in C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder. Rename the original WMCmd.vbs located there in and extract Zambelli’s WMCmd.vbs to this location.

3) Place Tranzcode in your C:\Windows\System32 folder and place eac3to and sox in the same folder as the audio and video source files you wish to transcode.


Conversion Guide

STEP 1: Rip HD-DVD
Use AnyDVD HD or BackupHDDVD or DVDFab HD Decrypter to rip the contents of your HD-DVD to your Hard Disk.

STEP 2: Demux main EVO files
In this step, you will demux the EVO files previously ripped into namely DD+ audio and VC-1 video.
Open EVO Demux and select the “Options” tab. Specify the following extensions respectively for video, audio and subtitles: vc1, ddp and sup. Then make sure “Count Frames” and “Continue with second EVO” are checked. Next, chose the “Status” tab, browse to and select your first main EVO file. Your file will first be analyzed and the total number of “calculated frames” will appear at the bottom. Write this number down.

STEP 3: Create GRF file for the VC-1 video file using the following sequence of filters in graphedit:

File Async(Video_Source.vc1) > Sonic HD Demuxer > Sonic Cinemaster VideoDecoder 4.2

(Save the file as Video_Only.grf for example.)

STEP 4: Create the corresponding Avisynth script file:

Directshowsource("C:\Path to\Video_Only.grf", fps=23.976, audio=false, seekzero=false, seek=true, framecount=xxxx)

where you should replace "xxxx" with the total amount of calculated frames obtained from EVO Demux. (Save the file as Video_Only.avs for example.)

STEP 5: Create the batch file containing the complete transcoding process detailed below

eac3to.exe "C:\Path to\Audio_Source.ddp" "C:\Path to\output.wav"
tranzcode.exe "C:\Path to\output.wav"
wavavimux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63
cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "C:\Path to\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "C:\Path to\audio.avi" -output "C:\Path to\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16

Save the file with the extension ".bat". Be sure to have "Path to" pointing to the same folder in which eac3to and sox are located along with all your audio and video source files.

Doubleclick on the .bat file and... be patient! :(
(I have an Intel Core 2 Duo @2.4GHz and it takes approx. 10 mins to encode 1 min of movie, i.e. a 1 hour movie will take about 10 hours to encode! But I'm not sure if the process is linear so I guess it may take more or less time!) :confused:

Finally, just a word of thanks to Zambelli and all others who have made this small guide possible!

For those of you still encountering problems, I would also recommend keeping an eye on this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=991220#post991220).

[shaolin95]

I am trying this as soon as I get home...is this works you are going to be my hero! :)
One question, what is that AUDIO.AVI mentioned in the bat file?

Regards

[olivierdb]

@shaolin95: audio.avi (which could be any other name you wish but has to end with ".avi") is the name of the file created by WavAviMux and contains the combined multichannel audio. It is fed to wmcmd.vbs as audio input.

Good luck! It worked for me, so there's no reason it shouldn't work for you!

[vitodeluca]

Oliver, once again, great guide. Eac3to is the only way I found to correctly create 5.1 sound. I would however add a small note to your guide that the H264 demux still is slightly buggy, and will sometimes yield the wrong length, video that cuts off, ect. This has been mentioned in the huge evob demultiplexers thread but I did not know about it until I looked. I got around it by demuxing and then rebuilding to one evo with only the ddp sound, as I mentioned earlier. The only reason I mentioned it is that it took me several weeks to figure that out, so I wanted to possibly save others the hassle.

[olivierdb]

@vitodeluca: Just to make sure I understand you properly: are you saying that EVO Demux will not provide accurate data regarding the number of "calculated frames"? (not sure what you mean by "H264 demux")

@zambelli: I have tested the whole process once again and, although it works, using the Sonic Video Decoder still generates a whole series of "ContextException" errors of the follwoing sort:

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context Field SAR_ActivationMode not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

Would you know of a way to avoid these errors? (would be nice to keep things clean!)

[pneffkell]

Thanks for the new guide. We must be getting close to a perfect solution. When I run this script this is what I get

Getting "dump" instance failed

I however do have the DSDump filter installed as I see it in my graphedit. Anbody know what would cause this error?

[olivierdb]

@pneffkell: I'm not sure you have the right Dump filter. Try downloading this DUMP.AX (http://www.mydatabus.com/public/aeonflux/z/DUMP.AX) file and save to C:\Windows\System32. Then register the filter by going to Start > Run and entering "regsvr32 C:\Windows\System32\dump.ax" (without the quotes!).

[wolly6973]

The guide looks good so far. I have a slight problem though. When I run the encode it goes through the first 3 steps, and then when it goes to do the final step I get this:
Prepare to encode failed with error -2147220891 A DRM profile has not been set for the current session.
Any ideas? It looks like it should be something simple, but I don't know what it could be!

Edit: So after googling I am still clueless...I know that DRM is for protecting content, but why is it thinking that I am wanting to use it in the first place? I followed the guide to a T, copied and pasted the commands. Please help!

[shaolin95]

Is ffdshow or anything else important for this to work? I still cant get it to work and I am wondering is something else like ffdshow settings are the problem.
Also, what can I add to the bat file in order to be able to read what happened when it didnt work?
Regards


PS
Seems to be working right now! Just wrote a raw file and told me that sonic decode was set to 24bit and is now doing the wav. All I did was make sure the proper files were at windows/system32 and when I replaced the dump filter with the one linked a few posts above it did the trick!

[shaolin95]

Ok so the process stopped after it created the wav file and while I can hear the movie and seems to be perfect (encoded at 6 channels 24bit) I can not use it in Tranzcode to separate into 6 mono wav (not recognize format).
Any other way to use it in order to encode my wmv movie?

[wolly6973]

@shaolin - at the end of the line in the bat file add ">output.txt"
without quotes. You can name it anything, just replace output with whatever you want.

[shaolin95]

Its working...sorry about my stupidity lol Well the whole script didnt work but I got the audio in 6 mono wav files. Are they supposed to be perfect in the L , R, C etc or do I need to make sure? Now I just need to find the instructions to creat my first xbox 360 wmv!
I will try the output.txt to see what my error

[zambelli]

@Olivierdb:
Nice guide. Glad you incorporated the wavavimux in there. When used in a batch file like you described, it makes it very easy to go straight from AC3 or DD+ to WMA Pro without even thinking about the intermediate 6 mono WAVs.

[olivierdb]

Thank you, Zambelli. Also, sorry for insisting (I'm a bit of a maniac, I know!), but would you have any clue why using the Sonic Video Decoder with wmcmd.vbs still generates a whole series of "ContextException" errors of the follwoing sort:

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context Field SAR_ActivationMode not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

I guess those who absolutely want to avoid those errors could use Intervideo Video Decoder instead of Sonic, but I'd still like to know why the above errors are appearing and if it's possible to avoid them.

[Icemaan]

Hallo

I not understand why must make a Graph to encode the Evo File
My way is like this
1. I demux the Evo with EvoDemux
2. Then I rebuild the Evo without Sound and Sub
3. My Avs Script
DirectShowSource("F:\part0001.rebuilt.EVO", video=true, audio=false, fps=23.976, framecount=925, seek=false, seekzero=false)
All works fine can play in Vdub or Mediaplayer etc.
I hope its correct what I make

Icemaan

[shaolin95]

So how do you get a wmvhd from that?

[zambelli]

Thank you, Zambelli. Also, sorry for insisting (I'm a bit of a maniac, I know!), but would you have any clue why using the Sonic Video Decoder with wmcmd.vbs still generates a whole series of "ContextException" errors of the follwoing sort:
I know a lot of people have been getting those, but I don't know why. The C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc line would clearly indicate that it's related to some Roxio component - but why it comes up in this encoding context only - I wouldn't know. Typically a Dshow filter doesn't write to the command-prompt like that anyway - so it's also possible that the warning always happens, but is only seen when the filter is invoked from a command prompt like this. I wouldn't be surprised if it came up in, say, an x264 command-line encoding process too.

[Icemaan]

So how do you get a wmvhd from that?

I encode the Script same you with help of Zambellis Vbs into Vc1 i only want say for what must make a Graph when it goes Direct
Icemaan

[olivierdb]

@Icemaan: Two things are not clear to me:

1) How do you "rebuild" the EVO file with sound and subtitles? What are you using?

2) The purpose of the guide I published is, namely, to allow those who have a PC in one room and an XBox 360 and HDTV in another room, to stream their WMV HD movie from their PC to their XBox. I don't think it's possible to stream an Avisynth file to an XBox! Am I missing something here?

[wolly6973]

So I feel like a total idiot for not being able to do any of this but I do have another question.
I have got the first two parts of the audio to work. I have my wav file and my 6 mono. They all play fine in wmp. I am having trouble getting the WavAviMux to work. When it runs it just pops up for a second and closes. I tried putting >output.txt at the end, and the txt file is always blank. I put the wavavimux.exe in the system32 folder. Here is my command line(it should be exactly the same as in the guide).
WavAviMux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63 >output.txt

I would appreciate any help as I finally got my video encoded, now I just need the audio! Thanks for all the hard work you guys are doing to help out!

[shaolin95]

The only way I could the wavaimux to work was by placing the 6 mono wavs in the desktop....maybe worth a try. :-)

Also, I am feeding the AVS line to WME since I cant get the whole one bat thing to work but in the screen where it shows the preview of the video encoding, I get this message:
expected fps 23.976
average fps: 6 or so.... why is it giving me a 6?

I stopped the encoding to give it a try and its all choppy. My computer is fast ( Opteron 165 dual core at 3Ghz) but that doesnt even matter at the time of encoding other than taking longer with a slower computer.
Any ideas?

[olivierdb]

@wolly6973: When you run the wavavimux setup it installs the 2 files: WavAviMux.exe and spgi.ax in the folder C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Tools\WAVAVIMUX. Make sure you have copied both files to C:\Windows\System32.

Also, instead of using ">output.txt", you can do the following:

1) Start>run
2) Type cmd and press enter
3) Right click on the top border of the cmd window and chose "Properties"
4) In the "Options" tab, make sure "QuickEdit Mode" is checked
5) Copy your command line: "WavAviMux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63"
6) Paste into the cmd window by right clicking once after having selected the window
After you hit Enter and the command is completed, the window shouldn't close.

[olivierdb]

@shaolin95: 6 fps! Strange! I suggest you place all your audio and video source files in ONE same folder, lets say we call it C:\My Videos. Then make sure eac3to and sox are in that same folder. Then, in the cmd window type: "cd C:\My Videos" and finally copy the complete .bat file to the cmd window and give it another try.

Also, verify the number of fps in your Video_Only.avs file (DirectShowSource(..., fps=23.976,...)).

You could also create the following .avs file with:

video = import("C:\Path to\Video_Only.avs")
audio = DirectShowSource("C:\Path to\audio.avi")
AudioDub(video,audio)

And view the first few minutes in Media Player Classic.
Then go to Play>Filters>Video Renderer and check the "Average frame rate achieved" under the "Quality" tab.

[zambelli]

@wolly6973: When you run the wavavimux setup it installs the 2 files: WavAviMux.exe and spgi.ax in the folder C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Tools\WAVAVIMUX. Make sure you have copied both files to C:\Windows\System32.
There's absolutely no need to copy both files to System32 folder. Wavavimux.exe can run from anywhere. Sgpi.ax is a DirectShow filter (hence the .ax extension) and simply needs to be registered via regsvr32 - though that should've already been taken care of by the installer.

[olivierdb]

@zambelli: Thank you for correcting me when I'm wrong. I will correct the guide. Can you also tell us what the sgpi.ax filter does?

Would anyone know anything about Removegrain or LimitedSharpen? I've seen them used here and there, but I don't know when one should use them!

I'm also looking into cropping the movie to reduce file size and possibly encoding duration. Using VirtualDub, I've deterrmined that my Y1 offset=128 and Y2 offset=138 (while X1=X2=0), thus leading to a movie resolution of 1920x814. This leads me to the following 2 questions:

1) Should the resolution be divisible by 16?
2) Should I adjust the X offset to preserve the aspect ratio after cropping when I see the movie on my HDTV (which has a resolution of 1366x768, i.e. approx. 16/9)? In other words, should my target resolution be 1440x816?

Thanks for your help.

[olivierdb]

I've made some tests:

1) I realised that cropping from 1920 to 1440 horizontally would seriously truncate the image and reduce my visual experience by a third! Not a good idea!

2) I then tried keeping the width at 1920 and resizing the image vertically from 816 to 1080. The elongated visual effect wasn't very pleasant to the eye! I used:

Crop(0,127,0,-137)
Lanczos4Resize(1920,1080)

Conclusion: I think I'll stick to the original resolution and the black bars!

[wolly6973]

I tried the method you suggested and I am able to see what is going on now. After I enter the command it says
!ERROR: Can't open output file
It does create the audio.avi file, but it is 0kb. Any ideas?

[olivierdb]

@wolly: I'm not sure why it isn't working for you, there seems to be a problem with wavavimux. Do the 6 mono .wav files play sound correctly? If so, then I may only suggest you try uninstalling and re-installing wavavimux.

[wolly6973]

Thanks for the idea. I tried it on a different PC today and it is working right now. Hopefully I will finally be able to get a working wmv hd video!

[nincollector]

only problem im having is that my pc decides to stop encoding before the end... only thing i can think of is the cpu is over heating or sumthing coz 1st time it got to 45 secs now it got to 1 min 45 secs... my test file is only 2:02. anyone else got this problem?

[pneffkell]

Ok here is what I am doing and I seem to be having success with it

I create my grf file and avisync file for the video

break the ddp file out into 6 wave channels
I convert the six wave files to an ac3 file using quenc

Then I use TMPGenc 4 express to create the wmv hd file.

I am using TMPGenc because I like the user interface and because it allows me to correct for audio and video being out of sync. Anyway just finished backing up my copy of an HD-dvd and It looks great!

[nincollector]

Ok here is what I am doing and I seem to be having success with it

I create my grf file and avisync file for the video

break the ddp file out into 6 wave channels
I convert the six wave files to an ac3 file using quenc

Then I use TMPGenc 4 express to create the wmv hd file.

I am using TMPGenc because I like the user interface and because it allows me to correct for audio and video being out of sync. Anyway just finished backing up my copy of an HD-dvd and It looks great!

this method worked for me too. I like it better too coz i can specify bitrates n stuff like that. thanks

[shaolin95]

It works indeed but at least according to the estimated time, it takes much longer than using WME. Still, its a nice alternative to people having problems.
Regards

[olivierdb]

this method worked for me too. I like it better too coz i can specify bitrates n stuff like that. thanks

You may also specify bit rates in the script version. TMPGenc 4.0 Xpress seemed like a nice alternative until I saw the price tag!

[shaolin95]

How do I change the following script to one that uses -v_bitrate 12000000 and buffer 6 secs?

cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input Vtest2.avi -a_input myaudio.avi -output "j:\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16

Regards

[nincollector]

How do I change the following script to one that uses -v_bitrate 12000000 and buffer 6 secs?

cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input Vtest2.avi -a_input myaudio.avi -output "j:\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16

Regards

isnt that 12 gbps???? i used 30000 and its perfect.

[olivierdb]

@shaolin95: I'm no expert, but I think you would first have to change the video mode setting to -v_mode 4 and remove -v_quality 96 as the quality parameter is ignored in 2-pass VBR mode. As a reminder:
Video encoding modes:
0: 1-pass CBR (default).
1: 2-pass CBR.
2: Quality-based VBR.
3: Bit rate-based VBR (two-pass).
4: Peak bit rate-based VBR (two-pass).

You would then have to set -v_peakbitrate 12000000 and -v_peakbuffer 6000. I don't think its important in which order the parameters appear. Also, don't forget that you may use Zambelli's WMV Bitrate Calculator (http://www.citizeninsomniac.com/WMV/WMVBitCalc.html) to determine the most appropriate bit rate. For more guidance on the encoding parameters to use, I strongly recommend you read from this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=991220#post991220) onwards on the other thread dedicated to HD-DVD and streaming to the Xbox 360. Finally, as a reminder, a VC-1 decoder update for the Xbox 360 (http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/09/xbox-360-spring-2007-dashboard-update/) should be released tomorrow, May 7th, so those of you who have been experiencing problems with 2-pass VBR on their Xbox, may want to give it a second try thereafter.

[ABOOABOO]

Hi everybody, whilst waiting for 5 days i have been reading and testing and i just cant get it to work.

i have used evodemux and converted the feature files and then i have created the graphs and created the avs files

Below is that .bat file i have but it does try and encode the audio but then it just comes with an error message in dos

eac3to.exe "i:\FEATURE_1_FEATURE_2.DD+.stream.00.ddp" "i:\output.wav"
tranzcode.exe "i:\output.wav"
wavavimux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63
cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "i:\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "i:\audio.avi" -output "i:\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16

[olivierdb]

@ABOOABOO: What error message are you getting? Does the audio.avi file play correctly in WMP? We need more information to be able to help you!

[ABOOABOO]

i get the below message

it created the output.raw file as i can see it on my hard drive going over 2B

I:\>Encode2WMVHD.BAT

I:\>eac3to.exe "i:\FEATURE_1_FEATURE_2.DD+.stream.01.ddp" "i:\output.wav"
E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 2:14:04, 768kbit/s, 48khz
Muxing eac3 file to raw. Please wait...
The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0
The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0

I:\>tranzcode.exe "i:\output.wav"
Error: Unable to open file: i:\output.wav

I:\>wavavimux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav outp
ut-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63
Cant open File output-FL.wav

I:\>cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -i
nput "i:\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "i:\audio.avi" -output "i:\output.wmv" -v_bfra
medist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_qual
ity 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapr
o -a_setting 384_48_6_16
Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.6
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation 1996-2001. All rights reserved.

The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0
ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_FeatureValue
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_FeatureValueMask
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_FeatureDisplayName
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_PermissionToLaunch_Activation
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_TrialNagDelay
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_TrialNagFirstDelay
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_ActivationValidityOffset
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_ActivationValidityStartDate
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_HTMLFolderName
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_HTMLFolderName_Reg
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_DialogWidth
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_DialogHeight
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_ProductDisplayName
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_EnhancedProductDisplayName
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_ActivationMode
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0
Prepare to encode failed with error -2147220843 A DRM profile has not been set f
or the current session.

[olivierdb]

"Prepare to encode failed with error -2147220843 A DRM profile has not been set for the current session."

Hmmm... You're the second person I see getting this kind of error message. It seems that it has something to do with having to set a DRM profile for the Windows Media Encoder DRM Protect Utility. I had no idea you could have Windows DRM on a HD-DVD!

[ABOOABOO]

is it worth trying another dvd or is something to do with my pc

do i need to change anything when i rip

i am using slysoft anydvd

[zambelli]

Hmmm... You're the second person I see getting this kind of error message. It seems that it has something to do with having to set a DRM profile for the Windows Media Encoder DRM Protect Utility. I had no idea you could have Windows DRM on a HD-DVD!
I don't think the error is reflecting the true nature of the issue. If DRM is not being added to the output WMV, as is the case here, DRM shouldn't enter into it at all.

[NHRaider]

Guide to convert HD-DVDs to WMV HD with 5.1 audio channels
...

Doubleclick on the .bat file and... be patient! :(
(I have an Intel Core 2 Duo @2.4GHz and it takes approx. 10 mins to encode 1 min of movie, i.e. a 1 hour movie will take about 10 hours to encode! But I'm not sure if the process is linear so I guess it may take more or less time!) :confused:

Finally, just a word of thanks to Zambelli and all others who have made this small guide possible!

For those of you still encountering problems, I would also recommend keeping an eye on this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=991220#post991220).

Hi Oliver...This is fantastic that the guide has evolved so quickly. I've been able to encode with some workarounds...such as my media player doesn't like audio bitrate higher than 640...

I have 2 issues running the VBS script...
1) When I try to encode audio and video together at 12mbts I get an out of memory error. Which is strange since I have a Core 2 Duo Extreme (2 CPUs each at 2.93GHz) and 4 GB RAM! I'm not sure if it was a bad parameter such as buffer size of 60 seconds vs 6 seconds etc...haven't tried in a bit but will be trying again now I have a process to encode.

2) For some reason, in control panel I can't change the cineplayer dvd decoder options to 5.1. I can set use system settings which I have 5.1...but in the decoder panel it give an error "Exception occurred while trying to run shell32.dll..." when I try to set it in the optiosn. When I encode 6 channel in VBS I get the bad input format error "-xxxxxx". But WME with multichannel doesn't give me that error.

To get around this I've been encoding video and audio separately (audio using eac3to, tranzcode and wme multi channel).

Also, encoding the audio and video separately, seems to be faster then encoding them together.

My next questions...

In light of being able to encode with WME and not VBS for the multichannel audio...what would be the cmd to call WME with input the to the 6 monos OR the file from Wave Combiner 9 alng with a profile I created?

Also, similarly, what is the cmd to calll stream edit with the input video and the input audio.

This way I can encode video separate from audio and call stream edit to combine the two. This seems to be the only way to encode to WMV for me...

[olivierdb]

Hi NHRaider,

1) Using 12Mbps bitrate and 60sec buffer means you're using 720Mbits or 85.8MBytes decoding memory. That may be too much, although I don't know which part of system memory is being allocated for the decoding process! Maybe someone else may shed some light on this... In the meantime try reducing the parameters.

2) I suggest you do the following: in the control panel, double click the Cineplayer DVD decoder options and under the Audio tab check "Use System Settings". Then, still in the control panel, double click "Sounds and Audio Devices", select the "Volume" tab and under "Speaker Settings" hit the "Advanced" button. Chose 5.1 speakers.

Give the .bat file another go. If you're still getting errors, pls copy-paste them here. By the way, what OS are you using?

[NHRaider]

Hi NHRaider,

1) Using 12Mbps bitrate and 60sec buffer means you're using 720Mbits or 85.8MBytes decoding memory. That may be too much, although I don't know which part of system memory is being allocated for the decoding process! Maybe someone else may shed some light on this... In the meantime try reducing the parameters.

2) I suggest you do the following: in the control panel, double click the Cineplayer DVD decoder options and under the Audio tab check "Use System Settings". Then, still in the control panel, double click "Sounds and Audio Devices", select the "Volume" tab and under "Speaker Settings" hit the "Advanced" button. Chose 5.1 speakers.

Give the .bat file another go. If you're still getting errors, pls copy-paste them here. By the way, what OS are you using?

Hi Oliver...thanks for the quick reply...

comments:
1) I want the encoding to be as good as possible and so I've been told to bump the rate to as much as 14Mbps....so maybe the other parameters such as buffer etc should be tweaked... I was earlier trying the -preset but was getting errors but at this point I'm not sure if it was something else since that was early in the process...

At this point, it may just make sense to find a way to stream the EVO or to take the VC-1 and stream edit with the audio...sucks up the disk space but the difference of 14GB to 20GB isn't that big a deal...Plus I have about 4 TB of disk space to fill so it's not that big a deal now...Just want to stream instead of screwing with the coasters.

2) I can go and change the system settings to 5.1...etc..but the options say 2 channel...but when I go through the WME process somehow that changes it to 5.1 in the cineplayer DVD encoder options.

[NHRaider]

Guide to convert HD-DVDs to WMV HD with 5.1 audio channels

Please note that this solution is by no means the only solution possible nor is it necessarily the best! It just happened to work for me!
cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "C:\Path to\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "C:\Path to\audio.avi" -output "C:\Path to\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16




Hi Oliver,

I have been using CBR encodes (10MBps) but wanted to try the new settings that have evolved over the past month with the VBS script. I'm not streaming on the XBOX360 as my primary since I have a Helios x5000...so I'm not concerned so much about the VBR issues that people have discussed.

I went back to the vbs and by process of elimination tried to figure out what the problem was with these parameters...

Summary:
-v_msrange 0: Not Supported Broadcast
-v_loopfilter 1: Choppy picture.

I did notice the setting of -v_performance 20. So you are going for speed while compromising quality? Or is that a relative term and quality really isn't impacted by this parameter??

[zambelli]

In light of being able to encode with WME and not VBS for the multichannel audio...what would be the cmd to call WME with input the to the 6 monos OR the file from Wave Combiner 9 alng with a profile I created?
That's essentially what the new -a_input parameter is for: it allows you to specify the combined 6ch audio AVI as input for the audio compression separate from the video source.

[NHRaider]

That's essentially what the new -a_input parameter is for: it allows you to specify the combined 6ch audio AVI as input for the audio compression separate from the video source.

Problem using the vbs cmd line is that I get an error...the 2 channel "-1xxxxx" error. But don't with the MWE on multipchannel.

Can the Stream Edit be called from the cmd line? If so, what are the inputs parameters? I haven't had any luck searching for that.

I've had problems in the past encoding both audio and video at the same time (out or memory error) so I've been using Stream Edit to mux them together. That was encoding CBR...I will try again with -v_mode 4 since you stated earlier that would take substantially less memory.

This is the script I will test unless someone has some comments about better settings:
cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "video\encode\video.avs" -output "output.wmv" -v_codec wmv9 -videoonly -v_mode 4 -v_bitrate 14000000 -v_peakbitrate 20000000 -v_peakbuffer 10000 -v_keydist 3 -v_mslevel 1 -v_performance 60 -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mmatch 0 -v_mvcost 1

I've removed the following 2 parameters since they seem to have issues with streaming on my Helios player.
-v_msrange 0: Not Supported Broadcast
-v_loopfilter 1: Choppy picture.

Edit:
Ok...Does this seem right? I started the encode script above and have these statistics:
Source duration retrieved: 7778.241 seconds.

======== Begin Pass1 ========
Read: 7778.2s (100%) Elapsed: 09:06:55 Left: 00:00:00 [0.24x]

======== Begin Pass2 ========
Encoded: 269.3s (3.5%) Elapsed: 02:07:19 Left: 59:10:24 [0.04x]


9 Hour first pass and 61 hours encoding? 70 hours!!!!

I was doing CBR 10Mbps and that was about 15 hours encoding.

What am I doing wrong here?

[zambelli]

Problem using the vbs cmd line is that I get an error...the 2 channel "-1xxxxx" error. But don't with the MWE on multipchannel.
Are you sure you don't have Ffdshow configured to decode raw PCM audio?
WME9 and WMCmd.vbs should be able to accept multichannel AVIs produced with wavavimux.exe directly, without any decoders. If that's not working for you - I would suspect something else is broken. I have an encode using a_input and multichannel wavavimux'ed AVI running at this very moment without any problems.

-v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mvcost 1
You probably don't need these two. In order to know whether bdeltaqp would be useful you would first need to know the regular b-frame delta from the reference frame. Since you don't know that, it's hard to say whether bdeltaqp=1 would help or not.

I've removed the following 2 parameters since they seem to have issues with streaming on my Helios player.
-v_msrange 0: Not Supported Broadcast
-v_loopfilter 1: Choppy picture.
Sounds like the Helios player doesn't support extended MV range - which is wrong because it's a standard part of the VC-1 Main Profile spec. It really should.
Yes, the loop filter is expected to add overhead to the decoding process.

9 Hour first pass and 61 hours encoding? 70 hours!!!!

I was doing CBR 18Mbps and that was about 15 hours encoding.

What am I doing wrong here?
Didn't you also used to use v_performance 20 before? That would explain the encoding performance difference. 60 is two levels higher in encoding complexity.

What CPU do you have? How many cores?

[shaolin95]

So what is the advantage of using a higher v_performance?

[zambelli]

Higher v_performance uses higher encoder complexity which results in higher video quality. It's the tradeoff between speed and quality.

Most of this stuff is pretty well documented in wmcmd.vbs help.

[shaolin95]

Will check that thanks! :-)

[NHRaider]

Are you sure you don't have Ffdshow configured to decode raw PCM audio?
WME9 and WMCmd.vbs should be able to accept multichannel AVIs produced with wavavimux.exe directly, without any decoders. If that's not working for you - I would suspect something else is broken. I have an encode using a_input and multichannel wavavimux'ed AVI running at this very moment without any problems.


You probably don't need these two. In order to know whether bdeltaqp would be useful you would first need to know the regular b-frame delta from the reference frame. Since you don't know that, it's hard to say whether bdeltaqp=1 would help or not.


Sounds like the Helios player doesn't support extended MV range - which is wrong because it's a standard part of the VC-1 Main Profile spec. It really should.
Yes, the loop filter is expected to add overhead to the decoding process.


Didn't you also used to use v_performance 20 before? That would explain the encoding performance difference. 60 is two levels higher in encoding complexity.

What CPU do you have? How many cores?


I think the audio encoding problem stems from the Cineplayer DVD Encoder Options - it gives me a dll error changing from 2 channel. I checked the "use system settings" which is 5.1. I've had this problem all along where anything input other than 2 channel gives me this error. However, using WME it doesn't give me this "bad input error".

The helios player supports WMV9 and not WVC1. I assume that is the problem. I do have an XBOX 360 so I could still use that for these WMV HD but would prefer to use the Helios player so I can navigate and select all my movies in one place...

I used performance 20 before based on Oliver's script. I used -v_performance 60 as a placeholder (which is the script's default). I didn't realize that these changes would 4x the encoding time.

CBR 1Pass 14mbps seems to encode at .12x...while the 2 Pass VBR seems to encode at 0.04x.

I have a Dell Core 2 Duo Extreme (X6800) 2 CPUs @ 2.93 GHz. 4GB RAM.

Edit: After more testing...seems like CBR is the option since the Helios tells me that VBR in any form is an "Unsupported Broadcast"

So...by process of elimination it needs to be CBR...so...what does the 2nd pass give me besides a 5 hour wait before Encoding???

[zambelli]

I think the audio encoding problem stems from the Cineplayer DVD Encoder Options - it gives me a dll error changing from 2 channel. I checked the "use system settings" which is 5.1. I've had this problem all along where anything input other than 2 channel gives me this error. However, using WME it doesn't give me this "bad input error".
WME9 UI seems to be a little more resiliant to multichannel media types. I've been able to make it work, for example, with Fffdshow 6ch PCM output, whereas the same crashed in wmcmd.vbs (in ffdshow.ax). Wmcmd.vbs (and the SDK) seem to be much stricter about requiring 6ch input with valid WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE headers.

The helios player supports WMV9 and not WVC1. I assume that is the problem. I do have an XBOX 360 so I could still use that for these WMV HD but would prefer to use the Helios player so I can navigate and select all my movies in one place...
Like I said, loopfilter and extended MV range are both supported in WMV9 Main Profile. If the Helios player doesn't support that, then it's not a complete implementation of the WMV9/VC-1 Main Profile decoder.

So...by process of elimination it needs to be CBR...so...what does the 2nd pass give me besides a 5 hour wait before Encoding???[/B]
2 pass VBR provides better distribution of bits per frame. It has the advantage of knowing what the whole video looks like before making bitrate decisions.

It's expected that encoding times would be longer in 2-pass VBR mode. It shouldn't be more than 2x longer at equivalent settings though.

[NHRaider]

WME9 UI seems to be a little more resiliant to multichannel media types. I've been able to make it work, for example, with Fffdshow 6ch PCM output, whereas the same crashed in wmcmd.vbs (in ffdshow.ax). Wmcmd.vbs (and the SDK) seem to be much stricter about requiring 6ch input with valid WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE headers.


Like I said, loopfilter and extended MV range are both supported in WMV9 Main Profile. If the Helios player doesn't support that, then it's not a complete implementation of the WMV9/VC-1 Main Profile decoder.


2 pass VBR provides better distribution of bits per frame. It has the advantage of knowing what the whole video looks like before making bitrate decisions.

It's expected that encoding times would be longer in 2-pass VBR mode. It shouldn't be more than 2x longer at equivalent settings though.


At least for the audio I have a workaround until I fix the dll problem.

On the 2-Pass, I'm assuming that it's the same for CBR and VBR...you mentioned VBR in your explanaition but it seems I can't stream VBR. I'll try one more cycle through all the -v_mode options to finalize my encoding process..

BTW. on this latest test (19GB EVO) I used a 2-Pass CBR with -v_codec wmv9 -videoonly -v_Mode 1 -v_bitrate 20000000 -v_buffer 30000. I was expecting nearly the same files size, but at 74% of the second pass done it is only 10GB which at the same rate would only be 13.5GB. Is there something wrong?

[nincollector]

all of a sudden wavavimux is adding static to my mono wavs when making the audio.avi. they all playback fine separately. anyone else having this issue or know of whats wrong?

[pneffkell]

I know this is a little off topic but can someone direct me to a post on demuxing blu ray files.

Thanks

[NHRaider]

Not sure what's going on since I haven't encoded in a few weeks but now I'm getting this error testing an avs file...

Directshowsource("video.GRF", fps=23.976, audio=false, framecount=132000, seekzero=false, seek=true)

Directshowsource does not have a named argument "framecount" (C:\.......\video.avs, line 1)
I loaded AutoGK in the last week but don't know if that loaded a different version of avisynth or not...

Anyone come across this error???


Update: Error found. Seems AutoGK reverted my Avisynth from 2.5.7 to 2.5.

[ABOOABOO]

I have followed the guide for 5.1

it does all the files but i get error message

C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop>wavavimux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 out
put-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav
-mask 63
'wavavimux' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop>cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Wind
ows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk
MaMbA\Desktop\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\De
sktop\audio.avi" -output "C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop\output.w
mv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mod
e 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_
codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16
Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.6
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation 1996-2001. All rights reserved.

Audio Input Error: 0x35 - File not found

[gzarkadas]

...'wavavimux' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file...

Perhaps wavavimux is not in your path.

1. Right-click "My Computer", select "Properties..." in the menu that appears, go to "Advanced" tab of the dialog that shows up and press the button "Environment Variables".

2. Then go to the "System Variables" listbox, click on the "Path" variable and press the Edit button (I don't use an english version, it may write something else, but in any case it is the middle of the three).

3. Read the entire string to see if the folder where wavavimux is listed there. If not you will have to add it at the end putting a ; character before the folder's full path.

If you don't know in which folder wavavimux is run Search.

...cscript.exe...Audio Input Error: 0x35 - File not found

This is the result of failing to run wavavimux in the previous step since it would generate the audio file that is now missing.

PS: I didn't answer to the other thread because the attachment still is pending for approval.

[ABOOABOO]

i have added this

%SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\System32\Wbem; C:\Program Files\Samsung\Samsung PC Studio 3\;C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\DLLShared\; C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Tools\WAVAVIMUX\;C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Tools\

still dont work and comes with the same message

i have even rebooted the computer

C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop>eac3to.exe "C:\Documents and Setti
ngs\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop\FEATURE_1_FEATURE_2.DD+.stream.00.ddp" "C:\Documents and
Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop\output.wav"
E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 1:48:25, 1536kbit/s, 48khz
Muxing eac3 file to raw. Please wait...
The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0
The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0
Audio Decoder output was 24 bit this time.
Converting the raw file to wav. Please wait...
Done.

C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop>tranzcode.exe "C:\Documents and Se
ttings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop\output.wav"
Input filename: [output.wav] (Multichannel Wave)
Input attribs: [Ext wav fmt, 6 ch, 24 bit, 48.0 kHz]
Output attribs: [PCM wav fmt, (6) x 1 ch, 24 bit, 48.0 kHz]
Output file(s): output-FL.wav
output-FR.wav
output-C.wav
output-LFE.wav
output-SL.wav
output-SR.wav
Processing: Completed. [in 10 mins, 0 secs]

C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop>WAVAVIMUX -o audio.avi -iwav 6 out
put-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav
-mask 63
'WAVAVIMUX' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop>cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Wind
ows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk
MaMbA\Desktop\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\De
sktop\audio.avi" -output "C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop\output.w
mv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mod
e 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_
codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16
Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.6
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation 1996-2001. All rights reserved.

Audio Input Error: 0x35 - File not found

[ABOOABOO]

Just copied the WAVAVIMUX in a few places and this is what i have got now

C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop>eac3to.exe "C:\Documents and Setti
ngs\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop\FEATURE_1_FEATURE_2.DD+.stream.00.ddp" "C:\Documents and
Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop\output.wav"
E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 1:48:25, 1536kbit/s, 48khz
Muxing eac3 file to raw. Please wait...
The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0
The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0
Audio Decoder output was 24 bit this time.
Converting the raw file to wav. Please wait...
Done.

C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop>tranzcode.exe "C:\Documents and Se
ttings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop\output.wav"
Input filename: [output.wav] (Multichannel Wave)
Input attribs: [Ext wav fmt, 6 ch, 24 bit, 48.0 kHz]
Output attribs: [PCM wav fmt, (6) x 1 ch, 24 bit, 48.0 kHz]
Output file(s): output-FL.wav
output-FR.wav
output-C.wav
output-LFE.wav
output-SL.wav
output-SR.wav
Processing: Completed. [in 9 mins, 36 secs]

C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop>WAVAVIMUX -o audio.avi -iwav 6 out
put-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav
-mask 63

C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop>cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Wind
ows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk
MaMbA\Desktop\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\De
sktop\audio.avi" -output "C:\Documents and Settings\bLaCk MaMbA\Desktop\output.w
mv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mod
e 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_
codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16
Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.6
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation 1996-2001. All rights reserved.

The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0
ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_FeatureValue
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_FeatureValueMask
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_FeatureDisplayName
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_PermissionToLaunch_Activation
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_TrialNagDelay
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_TrialNagFirstDelay
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_ActivationValidityOffset
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_ActivationValidityStartDate
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_HTMLFolderName
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_HTMLFolderName_Reg
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_DialogWidth
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_DialogHeight
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_ProductDisplayName
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_EnhancedProductDisplayName
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

ContextException thrown by BaseCertificate::GetField [.\BaseCertificate.cpp:903]
with context
Field
SAR_ActivationMode
not found in certificate
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Roxio Shared\Certificates8\cp42ppg.rxc

The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0
The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0
The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0
Microsoft (R) Windows Media Encoder Command Line Script Utility
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Warning: Encoder failed to retrieve duration attribute from source plug-in.
Trying alternate method now...The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0

[gzarkadas]

wavavimux is now in your path since the batch file does not complain. The error shown is specific to the .vbs file, thus I cannot help you until the attachment in your post at this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=126196) is approved by a moderator.

[ABOOABOO]

Whats the error that we refereing too, them roxio ones, are they normal messages, i am sure i read somewhere that other people get them

what does this mean

Warning: Encoder failed to retrieve duration attribute from source plug-in.
Trying alternate method now...The NCBENUM return code is: 0x0

As the computer is producing a OUTPUT.WMV file as we speak

I copied it in another lacation and previewd it and its the film

[ABOOABOO]

It worked for me this method but the video on the 360 was jurky

also i forgot to change the settings in sonic decoder to use 5.1

also how big will my wmv file be using this method because its got 10 hours to go and the wmv file is already 5gig

[gzarkadas]

@ABOOABOO,

I can't help you anymore because I do not encode in WMV format; my sources and needs are different. I hope other members of this forum, more competent in this area, to come in as help, now that you have advanced your situation one step further. Good luck :).

[pneffkell]

I am having troubles with evodemux. Whem I demux my video and set everything up It seems to only demux the first file? Anyone know what I could be doing wrong.

[NHRaider]

I am having troubles with evodemux. Whem I demux my video and set everything up It seems to only demux the first file? Anyone know what I could be doing wrong.

Do you have "continue with second EVO" checked in the options tab?

[NHRaider]

But this is a Newbies section of the forum...And I have asked a similar question without response...

We're spending lots of time converting EVOs to WMV for streaming to xbox360 and other media players....on average 15 hours or more per movie...

Is there a way to by-pass the encoding process?

When I Demux > Graph Edit > AVS, that process takes minimal amount of time, and I can play that AVS file directly in WM Player.

Is there a way to stream that AVS file or something similar so that I don't have to spend a day encoding?

I know I could use an HTPC and connect directly via DVI to my HDTV but I would prefer not to go that route.

[pneffkell]

Do you have "continue with second EVO" checked in the options tab?

Yes i have that checked and its makeing the combined file but it seems to end at the first file.

[olivierdb]

Hi NHRaider, da bastid is bak!

I also have found the process to be quite lengthy! I was actually hoping that Nero would be my hero and fill in the gap allowing to transcode and stream directly to a wireless media player. Unfortunately they often come short of my expectations!

However, I haven't given up my search and have just recently discovered TVersity (http://tversity.com/support/quickstart/) which is well worthwhile looking into. Alas, I killed my D-Link wireless media player (with which I haven't had a very smooth ride!) by merely pushing the reset button. Therefore, I'm hoping you'll be my guinea pig and test TVersity for me.

Let us know how your experiments go!

Cheers

[NHRaider]

Hi NHRaider, da bastid is bak!

I also have found the process to be quite lengthy! I was actually hoping that Nero would be my hero and fill in the gap allowing to transcode and stream directly to a wireless media player. Unfortunately they often come short of my expectations!

However, I haven't given up my search and have just recently discovered TVersity (http://tversity.com/support/quickstart/) which is well worthwhile looking into. Alas, I killed my D-Link wireless media player (with which I haven't had a very smooth ride!) by merely pushing the reset button. Therefore, I'm hoping you'll be my guinea pig and test TVersity for me.

Let us know how your experiments go!

Cheers


Hi Oliver...so now you're trying to get me hooked on Tversity?!!!

I will check it out tomorrow and send you my findings...here we go again! ;)

Update: I loaded the TVersity server software and added my movies to the video library. I haven't had success connecting my Helios Media Player to the server yet. I also haven't been able to have another networked devices connect to it either.

I did view some video on the localhost and the video quality was terrible. I'm going to check out if there are settings to change quality of the streaming... Not of to a good start.

[olivierdb]

Which movies did you add to the video library?... I mean in which format were they? Did you use the Avisynth, i.e. .avs, file?

[NHRaider]

Which movies did you add to the video library?... I mean in which format were they? Did you use the Avisynth, i.e. .avs, file?

Hi Oliver...

I was just trying to get the existing WMV and AVI to work.

I have now been able to connect the XBOX360 and my Helios X-5000 the the TVersity Server...

No issues...I was playing AVI files on the xbox360...

I did a little more research on the TVersity forums and they don't support avs files...I did see mention of "looking into" the ability to load the avs but that is it...

But at least using this server for the XBOX360 you can play:

WMA, WMV, MJPEG, DVR-MS, AVI (including Divx3/4/5/6, Xvid, and others)
MPEG1/2/4 (including H.264), MP3 and AAC
Qucktime MOV
Real Video/Audio/RMVB
OGG Vorbis and OGM
FLAC, WMA lossless, Monkey Audio (APE), Musepack Audio (MPC) and Wavpack
Flash Video
Matroska (MKA and MKV)
Karaoke CDG/BIN (Directshow filters here, the ones from DirectX Karaoke and Troubadour Karaoke are not compatible with TVersity)

Latest Update:

Since this server will play AVI files, I've been trying to figure out ffdshow => MakeAVIS from the AVS file to see if that would stream...Unfortunately I don't know AVS very well and am doing trial and error right now. I keep getting the error trying to play the AVI output file: Can't open GRF file line 1...

Can someone explain now to use makeAVIS to create and avi from an avs file?

Any help would be appreciated.

[NHRaider]

Which movies did you add to the video library?... I mean in which format were they? Did you use the Avisynth, i.e. .avs, file?


Here's the latest...I was able to create an AVI file using MakeAVIS from the .avs file that plays in Windows Media Player...

I tried to see if that file would stream via TVersity but it didn't work..just blank screen for a few minutes then exited back to the folders...

I also looked at the localhost preview on my machine and it did state the correct duration of movie but wouldn't play there as well...

I'll ping their support forums to see what they say.

[olivierdb]

Hi NHRaider, Thanks for your feedback. Shame streaming the .avs or .avi file doesn't work. I wasn't too sure whether the .avs would work but I'm surprised the avi didn't work either! Have you installed ffdshow?

[NHRaider]

Hi NHRaider, Thanks for your feedback. Shame streaming the .avs or .avi file doesn't work. I wasn't too sure whether the .avs would work but I'm surprised the avi didn't work either! Have you installed ffdshow?

yup...ffdshow has the MakeAVIS function in it's folder...

Upon further review, it seems that the avi I created still has a codec problem...so we're not dead yet.

I have to figure out why the AVIS codec isn't loaded on my machine...

[olivierdb]

I have also read that it is possible to stream content to an Xbox from one's PC using either Windows Media Connect or Windows Media Center. Unfortunately, I believe neither play .avs files from what I read, but WM Center does play .avi files. This may be another route worthwhile exploring.

In the meantime, to come back to the avi file you created with makeAVIS, are you able to play this file in WMP?

[NHRaider]

I have also read that it is possible to stream content to an Xbox from one's PC using either Windows Media Connect or Windows Media Center. Unfortunately, I believe neither play .avs files from what I read, but WM Center does play .avi files. This may be another route worthwhile exploring.

In the meantime, to come back to the avi file you created with makeAVIS, are you able to play this file in WMP?

I have xbox360 and the TVersity does stream avi and wmv..I tested that earlier.

The task now is finding out how to correctly create an avi file from MakeAVIS that will play in WMP...that is my problem now... If I can make that work then I can test to see if it can stream the avs via fake avi.

When I create the avi and load into G-Spot it says that the codec AVIS is not loaded... But I have the latest ffdshow which was supposed to have included AVIS.

[olivierdb]

I have discovered something new which has nothing to do with TVersity. It's called VLC360 (http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEuFulpAyVWcRmPvOF.php), is based on VLC and streams and transcodes various formats to one's XBox 360. The interesting part is that VLC plays .avs files, so I am assuming VLC360 will too.

Maybe you should give this a try if you're struggling with TVersity.

P.S. Don't forget to first test your .avs file in WMP11 just to make sure it works fine before testing with VLC360. Good Luck!

[NHRaider]

I have discovered something new which has nothing to do with TVersity. It's called VLC360 (http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEuFulpAyVWcRmPvOF.php), is based on VLC and streams and transcodes various formats to one's XBox 360. The interesting part is that VLC plays .avs files, so I am assuming VLC360 will too.

Maybe you should give this a try if you're struggling with TVersity.

P.S. Don't forget to first test your .avs file in WMP11 just to make sure it works fine before testing with VLC360. Good Luck!

I can't get VLC to play .avs files...I just tried to play a few...maybe there is a setting or something...I'll check it out.

[olivierdb]

VLC or VLC360?

Have you tested your .avs file in WMP11 first?

[NHRaider]

VLC or VLC360?

Have you tested your .avs file in WMP11 first?

I always check if the .avs works in WMP11 first...that's the test before I encode or do anything else...

I can't get .avs to play in VLC... (not VLC360)

I managed to get MakeAVIS to create an AVI file that would play in WMP11. Unfortunately there is some audio issues with MakeAVIS that I'm followiing up with...

Now testing for that AVI file to stream...

Update:

I was able to stream the fake avi file file to my Helios X-5000. The video was a little choppy so I have to figure out the config to get that fixed...then I need to figure out why MakeAVIS was crashing with Audio...

Getting closer to streaming these .avs files!!!

[olivierdb]

Hi NHR, Just to let you know: I also tried to play an AVS file with VLC and couldn't get it to work either! :(

[NHRaider]

Hi NHR, Just to let you know: I also tried to play an AVS file with VLC and couldn't get it to work either! :(

Yeah...Well...after analyzing all the time I spent doing the encodes and research and trial and error...I decided it just isn't worth my time and effort to do it...

I broke down and bought a PC dedicated for my TV. I have a Mistubishi Diamond DLP with a DVI input...I bought some awesome sound and graphics cards to make the HTPC...

I'll be doing only AnyDVD backups and that's it!

[pneffkell]

I have tried everything here with no success. I rip the dvd with anydvdhd to my harddrive and evodemux it creating what is suppose to be the combined files but when I play it directshow filters the file ends after the first file. Is anyone else having this issue with evodemux? And yes I have go to second file checked.

[HiTekAlex]

Ok here is what I am doing and I seem to be having success with it

I create my grf file and avisync file for the video

break the ddp file out into 6 wave channels
I convert the six wave files to an ac3 file using quenc

Then I use TMPGenc 4 express to create the wmv hd file.

I am using TMPGenc because I like the user interface and because it allows me to correct for audio and video being out of sync. Anyway just finished backing up my copy of an HD-dvd and It looks great!

Pneffkell, would you mind elaborating on your process a bit? I am a bit new to this, but highly interested in using TMGPenc 4 for HD-DVD conversions.. I use it to convert regular DVDs to WMV, and it works great.

What are the video and audio file formats you feed into TMPGenc as sources? I don't think TMPGenc accepts .avs files as sources - at least they are not listed as supported extensions. What about audio?

Any further detail you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

[Prophecy650]

same here I need help getting dts to ac3 or how to create a script to make tmgpenc to read it. I have the video but I am stuck at the audio part

[NHRaider]

Pneffkell, would you mind elaborating on your process a bit? I am a bit new to this, but highly interested in using TMGPenc 4 for HD-DVD conversions.. I use it to convert regular DVDs to WMV, and it works great.

What are the video and audio file formats you feed into TMPGenc as sources? I don't think TMPGenc accepts .avs files as sources - at least they are not listed as supported extensions. What about audio?

Any further detail you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Hi Tek,

Be aware that TMPGenc Xpress 4.0 can only output audio in 2 channels. So if you use it for generating the video then that is fine. You will still need to use Vegas or WMEnc to create the WMA file. Then Stream Edit them together.

TMPGEnc is NOT licensed for anything other than 2 channel.

[wolly6973]

I thank you guys for all the work you have been putting into this, but I have another ?

I have encoded 3 wmv hd movies now. The 4th that I am now working on is Babel. I thought that I had the process down, I am using the same batch file, just changing the grf and output name, but the movie file is getting huge! I have been through it several times and each time it is going to end up being 40+ gigs! My other movies were only around 10g, and there is no way that this film is 4x longer. What is going on? Here is the batch file is that would help to unravel this.

eac3to.exe "G:\FEATURE_1_FEATURE_2.DD+.stream.00.ddp" "G:\output.wav"

tranzcode.exe "G:\output.wav"

wavavimux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63

cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "G:\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "G:\audio.avi" -output "C:\Babel.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wmv9 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16

[HiTekAlex]

Hi Tek,

Be aware that TMPGenc Xpress 4.0 can only output audio in 2 channels. So if you use it for generating the video then that is fine. You will still need to use Vegas or WMEnc to create the WMA file. Then Stream Edit them together.

TMPGEnc is NOT licensed for anything other than 2 channel.

NHRaider, I have done a number of TMPGenc Xpress 4.0 DVD encodes into WMV with WMA10 Pro 5.1 soundtrack. There is no 2-channel limitation that I can see, at least not for Windows Media formats.

[pneffkell]

Pneffkell, would you mind elaborating on your process a bit? I am a bit new to this, but highly interested in using TMGPenc 4 for HD-DVD conversions.. I use it to convert regular DVDs to WMV, and it works great.

What are the video and audio file formats you feed into TMPGenc as sources? I don't think TMPGenc accepts .avs files as sources - at least they are not listed as supported extensions. What about audio?

Any further detail you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

I am basically ripping with anydvd hd then evodemux.

GRF the video files

then i use eac3to, tranzcode and wavavimux with this script to get 5 wave files

c:\eac3to\eac3to.exe "C:\video\mi 3\FEATURE_1_FEATURE_2.DD+.stream.00.ddp" "C:\video\mi 3\output.wav"
tranzcode.exe "C:\video\mi 3\output.wav"
wavavimux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63

Then I use AC3tools pro to create and AC3 file

You can then use TMPGEnc 4 xpress to create the wmv file.

My problem is that I get a completed file that stops at about frame 144971 the video ends and TMPG just leaves the final frame showing until the audio is over.

[Danthemano]

Finally the 5 day wait is over.

I got a problem. I'm trying to follow the directions of OliverDB on the bottom of the first page. I got all of the programs I need.

The Video_only.avs plays great in WMP, but when I try to play the audio_only.avs it brings up this:
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1961/audioprobxp0.jpg

It plays fine in graphedit. This is what it looks like:
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1589/graheditni7.jpg
Here's what it says:Feature 1 Feature 2DD+.Stream.00.dts->Intervideo Audio Decoder->Default Directsound Device

Anyone know what the problem is?

[pneffkell]

Finally the 5 day wait is over.

I got a problem. I'm trying to follow the directions of OliverDB on the bottom of the first page. I got all of the programs I need.

The Video_only.avs plays great in WMP, but when I try to play the audio_only.avs it brings up this:
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1961/audioprobxp0.jpg

It plays fine in graphedit. This is what it looks like:
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1589/graheditni7.jpg
Here's what it says:Feature 1 Feature 2DD+.Stream.00.dts->Intervideo Audio Decoder->Default Directsound Device

Anyone know what the problem is?

Take the default direct show devise off.

[NHRaider]

NHRaider, I have done a number of TMPGenc Xpress 4.0 DVD encodes into WMV with WMA10 Pro 5.1 soundtrack. There is no 2-channel limitation that I can see, at least not for Windows Media formats.

yeah...they will output the same to all channels...they are not licenced for true 5.1..

You get 6 channel...too bad they are all the same.

That is one reason why I dumped using this tool.

[Danthemano]

Take the default direct show devise off.

I still get the same thing. Should I post my .avs files?

[pneffkell]

I still get the same thing. Should I post my .avs files?

I use a file extension of .ddp and also use the Sonic cinemaster filters. In Graphedit click on the play button and you should get sound.

I personally dont use this technique because you only get two channel audio.

[Danthemano]

I don't get any sound if I click play. Is there a better extensions to do this with and get it to work?

[wolly6973]

I thank you guys for all the work you have been putting into this, but I have another ?

I have encoded 3 wmv hd movies now. The 4th that I am now working on is Babel. I thought that I had the process down, I am using the same batch file, just changing the grf and output name, but the movie file is getting huge! I have been through it several times and each time it is going to end up being 40+ gigs! My other movies were only around 10g, and there is no way that this film is 4x longer. What is going on?

Could this be due to the fact that babel is an h264 movie? I believe that all the other smaller files were vc1.

[HiTekAlex]

yeah...they will output the same to all channels...they are not licenced for true 5.1..

You get 6 channel...too bad they are all the same.

That is one reason why I dumped using this tool.

NHRaider - that's simply incorrect. I am playing a movie with WMA10 Pro 5.1 track through my Xbox 360 extender right as we speak. I can hear it pefrectly - each channel gets its own soundtrack, they are not the same.

TMPGX4 decodes AC3 audio from a DVD and re-encodes it into 5.1 or 7.1 WMA audio just fine. I am not the only one doing this - take a look at this thread on DVD-WMV forum:

http://www.dvd-wmv.com/Forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=9

I think the 2-channel issue comes into play when creating a MPEG2/DVD videos. There are no special licenses required for 5.1 or 7.1 WMA audio.

[olivierdb]

@Danthemano: Daniel,

1) Make sure you are using the DTS/AC3/DD+ filter for your source file and not File (Async)
2) Use the extension .ddp for your DD+ audio file
3) Try removing the "Default DirectSound Device" filter and playing again in WMP

If all this still doesn't work, pls copy-paste your Audio_Only.avs file.

[Danthemano]

Thanks for the quick replies.

It still doesn't work.

Directshowsource("C:\Documents and Settings\Daniel L.DANIEL\Desktop\COM\Audio_only.GRF" ,audio=true,video=false)

[olivierdb]

Sounds like your install of InterVideo could be corrupt! Can you play the HD-DVD movies with InterVideo without any problems?

I suggest you give Sonic Audio Decoder a try in place of InterVideo.

[Danthemano]

No, I don't have an HDCP video card. Should I just reinstall it or something?

[NHRaider]

NHRaider - that's simply incorrect. I am playing a movie with WMA10 Pro 5.1 track through my Xbox 360 extender right as we speak. I can hear it pefrectly - each channel gets its own soundtrack, they are not the same.

TMPGX4 decodes AC3 audio from a DVD and re-encodes it into 5.1 or 7.1 WMA audio just fine. I am not the only one doing this - take a look at this thread on DVD-WMV forum:

http://www.dvd-wmv.com/Forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=9

I think the 2-channel issue comes into play when creating a MPEG2/DVD videos. There are no special licenses required for 5.1 or 7.1 WMA audio.

Well...I have specifically tested and found this to be true and I have spoken to TMPGEnc directly...Their tech support etc. They are NOT licensed and the DO NOT output 5.1 or 7.1. Your AV system is generating SIMULATED 5.1, etc.

I am not mistaken since I went through many cycles with the company...If you feel comfortable that you are getting more than stereo then don't sweat it. They are not licensed and have no plans for it. WMV is the only output format that doesn't generate an error when you select more than stereo...but it's SIMULATED.\

[HiTekAlex]

Well...I have specifically tested and found this to be true and I have spoken to TMPGEnc directly...Their tech support etc. They are NOT licensed and the DO NOT output 5.1 or 7.1. Your AV system is generating SIMULATED 5.1, etc.

I am not mistaken since I went through many cycles with the company...If you feel comfortable that you are getting more than stereo then don't sweat it. They are not licensed and have no plans for it. WMV is the only output format that doesn't generate an error when you select more than stereo...but it's SIMULATED.\

It's not just me - there are other people who have confirmed they're getting 5.1 channels with TMPGX4. My experience is exactly the same.


> dharlow wrote:
> Are you sure you are getting 5.1 as from their website they say "Dolby Digital
> with 5.1 channels or other multi-channel sources will be encoded into 2 channels."
>
> Daniel

Absolutely getting 5.1 channels. What they refer to with that comment is when I take a 5.1 audio source, the AC3 codec in the program can only write to 2 channels when creating a MPEG2 file/DVD. When creating a WMV file the WMV/WMA encoder however can write to 5.1 channels (from memory 7.1 actually).

I have confirmed this on my Xbox 360 Media Center Extender (which on the fly converts back to DD 5.1), as well as natively from a Windows PC outputting over coax digital to a Pioneer amp with native WMA Pro audio support.

Regards,
Shane.


I am not even sure what "simulated" 5.1 means. My A/V reciever is getting native 5.1 digital feed from Xbox, it doesn't do any further conversion. I have compared the audio from original DVD source to what I am getting with WMA10Pro 5.1 - my ears can't tell the difference.

Sorry if your experience is different.

[NHRaider]

It's not just me - there are other people who have confirmed they're getting 5.1 channels with TMPGX4. My experience is exactly the same.



I am not even sure what "simulated" 5.1 means. My A/V reciever is getting native 5.1 digital feed from Xbox, it doesn't do any further conversion. I have compared the audio from original DVD source to what I am getting with WMA10Pro 5.1 - my ears can't tell the difference.

Sorry if your experience is different.

Your ears may not be able to tell the difference but the company is specifically saying that it isn't 5.1. As I stated earlier, just be aware that you are not getting the direct AC3 5.1 that you are expecting. The purpose for this information is to raise a concern which I suspect is important - especially when spending 20+ hours encoding the video. You may want to go the mono channel then Stream Edit approach.


From TMPGEnc directly:

"Hi,

Thank you for the screen shots, however, as I have stated before our software does not have the license to create 5.1 ch audio. For WMV 6 ch even though it shows 6 channel, it is not true surround 5.1 ch. Our software does not have the included tools to specify which audio track goes with what channel so it only outputs to stereo/simulated surround. If you would like to have 5.1 for AVI then I recommend doing a separate AC3 encode with another software that allows you to set specifically 5.1 ch then multiplex this file to your AVI file. You may see the list show AC3 with 5.1 ch option but this will not encode to 5.1. Our software simply received this list from Dolby digital but we do not have the license to create the 5.1 ch.

XXXX
TMPG Support
tmpgenc-e@pegasys-inc.com"

[schizosmurf]

ok, got to the point of running my .bat file, and got several errors... all of which are prolly attributed to running Vista x64, so looking for some help to help me figure out exactly what i need to change

bat file contents:
eac3to.exe "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\PEVOB_1_PEVOB_2.DD+.stream.00.ddp" "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\output.wav"
tranzcode.exe "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\output.wav"
wavavimux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63
cscript.exe "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\audio.avi" -output "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16

Errors:

C:\Users\schizosmurf>eac3to.exe "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\PEVOB_1_PEVOB
_2.DD+.stream.00.ddp" "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\output.wav"
'eac3to.exe' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\Users\schizosmurf>tranzcode.exe "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\output.wav
"
'tranzcode.exe' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\Users\schizosmurf>wavavimux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav
output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63
'wavavimux' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\Users\schizosmurf>cscript.exe "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Component
s\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\Video_Only.avs" -
a_input "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\audio.avi" -output "G:\MATRIX_RELOADE
D_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec
wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performan
ce 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16
Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.7
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Error: Cannot initialize Windows Media Encoder object. Please verify that
Windows Media Encoder 9 Series is correctly installed on your system.
If running 64-bit Windows, make sure that the version of cscript.exe used
corresponds to the version (x86/x64) of WME9 installed on your system.

[schizosmurf]

ok, i changed everything in my .bat to show full path so i'm makin some progress, but still got errors.

C:\Users\schizosmurf>G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\wmv2.bat

C:\Users\schizosmurf>G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\eac3to.exe "G:\MATRIX_REL
OADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\PEVOB_1_PEVOB_2.DD+.stream.00.ddp" "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDV
D\HVDVD_TS\output.wav"
E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 2:18:15, 640kbit/s, 48khz
Muxing eac3 file to raw. Please wait...
Getting "Dump" instance failed.

C:\Users\schizosmurf>C:\Windows\SysWOW64\tranzcode.exe "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD
\HVDVD_TS\output.wav"
Error: Unable to open file: G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\output.wav

C:\Users\schizosmurf>"C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Components\Tools\WAVA
VIMUX\wavavimux" -o audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav o
utput-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63
Cant open File output-FL.wav

C:\Users\schizosmurf>C:\Windows\SysWOW64\cscript.exe "C:\Program Files (x86)\Win
dows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_
TS\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\audio.avi" -outpu
t "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -
v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_ms
range 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16

Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.7
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Audio Input Error: 0x35 - File not found

C:\Users\schizosmurf>
_________________________________________
Muxing eac3 file to raw. Please wait...
Getting "Dump" instance failed.
i'm guessing since that part failed its screwing up each following step?

[Dawg]

Jeesus this thread has taken some duck's and dives's! been reading it since it started with a lot of hope it would answer my questions but to no joy, Tangents an all that.
Am i the only person that thinks this should be easyer?
To be honest this has been a lot of help but I think I am in a small minority of people who do not want to run scripts and stuff so I have purchased wmea, I have managed to rip my HDDVD's from my 360, (not as easy as 'just plug the HDDVD drive into usb') and I have used evodemux to get the mpv/mpa files. According to the 'Blog' I should be able to add the source files and output a wmv9 with 5.1 but all i get is, 'a drm profile has not been set for the Blah Blah Blah' I have googled this and searched this forum but there has been no real answer.
I have installed the codecs for MPV/MPA using the RUN command and both files said 'success' adding them but I cannot get the video or audio to play in WMP 11, this is the first thing support at wmea are going to say!
I am running my wmv's on a hard drive connected to my second 360 so file size is not an issue.
I would also like to know if I need all of the DD files when ripping? I have 4 streams for my audio but I can only add 1 into wmea?

I know this has gone on a while so hope someone else can benefit from my questions????

[NHRaider]

ok, i changed everything in my .bat to show full path so i'm makin some progress, but still got errors.

C:\Users\schizosmurf>G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\wmv2.bat

C:\Users\schizosmurf>G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\eac3to.exe "G:\MATRIX_REL
OADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\PEVOB_1_PEVOB_2.DD+.stream.00.ddp" "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDV
D\HVDVD_TS\output.wav"
E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 2:18:15, 640kbit/s, 48khz
Muxing eac3 file to raw. Please wait...
Getting "Dump" instance failed.

C:\Users\schizosmurf>C:\Windows\SysWOW64\tranzcode.exe "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD
\HVDVD_TS\output.wav"
Error: Unable to open file: G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\output.wav

C:\Users\schizosmurf>"C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Components\Tools\WAVA
VIMUX\wavavimux" -o audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav o
utput-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63
Cant open File output-FL.wav

C:\Users\schizosmurf>C:\Windows\SysWOW64\cscript.exe "C:\Program Files (x86)\Win
dows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_
TS\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\audio.avi" -outpu
t "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -
v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_ms
range 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16

Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.7
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Audio Input Error: 0x35 - File not found

C:\Users\schizosmurf>
_________________________________________
Muxing eac3 file to raw. Please wait...
Getting "Dump" instance failed.
i'm guessing since that part failed its screwing up each following step?

yes...you are correct. Looking at the log above, the dump failed and then each successive script is missing it's input file.

So if you fix your dump problem, you may be able finish each step. I recall getting this error a few months back but can't remember at this time what the issue was...maybe the movie is DTS and not DD??? If so, you could do a search to find the remedy. I'm not sure but I think you skip the EAC3to step with DTS audio...

[schizosmurf]

yes...you are correct. Looking at the log above, the dump failed and then each successive script is missing it's input file.

So if you fix your dump problem, you may be able finish each step. I recall getting this error a few months back but can't remember at this time what the issue was...maybe the movie is DTS and not DD??? If so, you could do a search to find the remedy. I'm not sure but I think you skip the EAC3to step with DTS audio...

there were 7 .ddp files after i demuxed the evo files,
PEVOB_1_PEVOB_2.DD+.stream.00.ddp
PEVOB_1_PEVOB_2.DD+.stream.02.ddp
PEVOB_1_PEVOB_2.DD+.stream.03.ddp
PEVOB_1_PEVOB_2.DD+.stream.04.ddp
PEVOB_1_PEVOB_2.DD+.stream.05.ddp
PEVOB_1_PEVOB_2.DD+.stream.08.ddp
PEVOB_1_PEVOB_2.MLP.stream.01.ddp

i assumed the DD+ meant it was DD, no idea what MLP is, but its 1.8GB. the first 2 DD+ streams are 640Mb and the rest are ~195MB.
i'll try one of the smaller streams, to see if it makes a difference

EDIT:

C:\Users\schizosmurf>G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\eac3to.exe "G:\MATRIX_REL
OADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\PEVOB_1_PEVOB_2.DD+.stream.03.ddp" "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDV
D\HVDVD_TS\output.wav"
E-AC3, 2.0 channels, 2:18:15, 192kbit/s, 48khz
Muxing eac3 file to raw. Please wait...
Getting "Dump" instance failed.

smaller files were stereo, but gave me same error.
if no one knows/can figure out whats goin no, perhaps there is an alternative to eac3to?

[nincollector]

^^^
your dump.ax is not registered

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=996484&postcount=93

MLP is TRUE HD

[nincollector]

Your ears may not be able to tell the difference but the company is specifically saying that it isn't 5.1. As I stated earlier, just be aware that you are not getting the direct AC3 5.1 that you are expecting. The purpose for this information is to raise a concern which I suspect is important - especially when spending 20+ hours encoding the video. You may want to go the mono channel then Stream Edit approach.


From TMPGEnc directly:

"Hi,

Thank you for the screen shots, however, as I have stated before our software does not have the license to create 5.1 ch audio. For WMV 6 ch even though it shows 6 channel, it is not true surround 5.1 ch. Our software does not have the included tools to specify which audio track goes with what channel so it only outputs to stereo/simulated surround. If you would like to have 5.1 for AVI then I recommend doing a separate AC3 encode with another software that allows you to set specifically 5.1 ch then multiplex this file to your AVI file. You may see the list show AC3 with 5.1 ch option but this will not encode to 5.1. Our software simply received this list from Dolby digital but we do not have the license to create the 5.1 ch.

XXXX
TMPG Support
tmpgenc-e@pegasys-inc.com"

ive tested this and made 1 using TMPEG and the other with windows media encoder. The Tmpeg one is larger but sounds exactly the same. i dissconnected my front and center speakers leaving only the rear surrounds on and i cant tell the difference. pretty good for simulated 5.1

[schizosmurf]

^^^
your dump.ax is not registered

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=996484&postcount=93

MLP is TRUE HD

yea, you were right. i had done it but i did it wrong. for x64 you must do "C:\Windows\SysWOW64\regsvr32.exe C:\Windows\SysWOW64\dump.ax" for 32bit.

now i'm having problems with tranzcode

C:\Users\schizosmurf>C:\Windows\SysWOW64\tranzcode.exe "G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD
\HVDVD_TS\output.wav"
Input filename: [output.wav] (Multichannel Wave)
Input attribs: [Ext wav fmt, 6 ch, 24 bit, 48.0 kHz]
Output attribs: [PCM wav fmt, (6) x 1 ch, 24 bit, 48.0 kHz]
Output file(s): output-FL.wav
output-FR.wav
output-C.wav
output-LFE.wav
output-SL.wav
output-SR.wav
Processing: Completed. [in 1 sec]

It's saving the output files in a completely diff location than everything else (C:\Users\schizosmurf), not that big a deal i could handle that. But the files are useless, all 6 .wav files are 44 bytes, and the audio.avi is 0 bytes.

any ideas?

[nincollector]

^^^
put all the files into the same directory (i.e. folder with transcode in it) so you should only have to use

tranzcode.exe output.wav

when i specified too many different folders it didnt work for me either but when i put it all in 1 folder it was fine

[schizosmurf]

^^^
put all the files into the same directory (i.e. folder with transcode in it) so you should only have to use

tranzcode.exe output.wav

when i specified too many different folders it didnt work for me either but when i put it all in 1 folder it was fine

i'll try that, i had it elsewhere bc of

3) Place Tranzcode in your C:\Windows\System32 folder and place eac3to and sox in the same folder as the audio and video source files you wish to transcode.

EDIT:
tried with and without full path for output.wav with tranzcode in the folder with all the source files
C:\Users\schizosmurf>G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\tranzcode.exe output.wav
Error: Unable to open file: output.wav

C:\Users\schizosmurf>G:\MATRIX_RELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\tranzcode.exe G:\MATRIX_R
ELOADED_HDDVD\HVDVD_TS\output.wav
Input filename: [output.wav] (Multichannel Wave)
Input attribs: [Ext wav fmt, 6 ch, 24 bit, 48.0 kHz]
Output attribs: [PCM wav fmt, (6) x 1 ch, 24 bit, 48.0 kHz]
Output file(s): output-FL.wav
output-FR.wav
output-C.wav
output-LFE.wav
output-SL.wav
output-SR.wav
Processing: Completed. [in 1 sec]

So still having trouble getting tranzcode to split up my output.wav

[schizosmurf]

i tried usin tranzcode on my friends xp box, and got the same results as above. so obviously i've missed a step or something.

anyone have an idea, or another tool i can use?

[blueseame]

There are many software you can use, try to *spam removed*, etc

[sxt173]

I am having a problem where the movies encode fine, but the forward/back buttons in WMP don't work or when I try to move the slider, it just goes to beginning of the movie.

Any ideas?

[zambelli]

I am having a problem where the movies encode fine, but the forward/back buttons in WMP don't work or when I try to move the slider, it just goes to beginning of the movie.
Any ideas?
Do DShow-based players like Media Player Classic allow you to seek? When you open the .wmv in ASF Viewer 9 (free download from MS), does it show an index object present?

[acribb]

Ok, I had this graph working previously. I'm not sure what is going on now, but I can't connect the Sonic HD Demuxer video output to the Sonic Cinemaster VideoDecoder 4.2 video input.

I get the following error message:
These filters cannot agree on a connection. Verify type and compatiblity of input pin and output pin. No combination of intermediate filters could be found to make the connection.

FEATURE_1_MERGED.VC-1.stream.0.mpv -> Sonic HD Demuxer -> Sonic Cinemaster VideoDecoder 4.2

Any ideas of what could have changed?

[brendon7800]

OK first off I would like to thank all the people in this thread that are figuring out how to convert .EVO files to HD .WMV files. :thanks:You're all doing a great job. I've read through all of this thread and I think I have an idea of how it works. But when I tried it the first time I stopped it after 36 hours of encoding and had an incomplete .wmv that was 25 gigs that came from a 14 gig .EVO (the reason I stopped it was because I realized that I didn't have any audio settings in my .bat file) But when I started it back up I got some weird input error.

What I'm asking for is a COMPLETE step by step guide. I mean a really thorough guide, like something you'd see in a book ".EVOs to .WMVs for Dummies" I'm totally new to graphedit, and avisynth, and encoding in general. Any help or links to guides would be greatly appreciated. I know there are two step by step guides in this forum but I need something in laymans terms that's more specific and has tons of screenshots so that I know I'm doing the same thing that other people are doing that have it working.

ps- sorry for being such a newbie

[juzzy999]

I agree totally. However i've been at this now for 3 weeks...
I've learnt heaps, and have found some awesome programs..

BUT........

Audio is a big issue?

This is my procedure................................

1. Evodemux to rebuild the video
2. Evodemux to demux the audio
3. Rename the audio from .mpa to .ddp
4. Use megui to encode evo to mkv (i dont put any audio in this program, otherwise i get errors)
5. Play mkv/avi (whatever output i used) on wmp or vlc player (works fantastically)
6. Mkvmerge mkv and ddp ???????? errors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is what i believe that works but cannot get it working..

eac3to.exe ???.ddp ????.ac3

but i get errors, (i need hd-dvd/bluray nero plugin)

i use graphedit for video and audio
they both work, (this is the only time i actually get audio working)

but i am confused how to convert this audio graphedit to an actual ac3/mp3 or whatever...

I have a grf audio file, works great how do i convert this to a mp3 or ac3????????

[Fishrider]

I developed this tutorial for those in this thread asking for one. I put it here in this thread because I was not sure where else to place it. Instead of creating multiple posts and linking many pics I created a Word document that you may download from here:

HD-DVD to WMV Tutorial Download (http://www.tribalrites.com/HDtut/Tutorial%20for%20HD-DVD%20to%20WMV1.doc)

It is self explanatory. Let me know what you think.

[zambelli]

I developed this tutorial for those in this thread asking for one. I put it here in this thread because I was not sure where else to place it.
It is self explanatory. Let me know what you think.

A note on the Performance Slider: I have a problem with this slider. No one seems to know exactly what it does. We know that when we set it for better performance that we get faster encodings and that when we set it for better quality we can get encoding times that are out of this world (like 48 hours or more). The problem is that I cannot find out what the actual implementation of this slider is. The question is, what quality are we sacrificing for performance? Nobody seems to know what this ratio is or how it operates. After doing hours of research, I seriously thought about spending a few hundred dollars to talk to a Microsoft developer to get this answer.
Why spend a few hundred dollars if you could just ask me instead? :)

So one major question for you: why are you re-encoding VC-1 video to VC-1 video at equivalent or greater bitrates? What does that accomplish?

[Sephiroth0000]

Helllo everyone and great job on this might I add. I have tried following the EVO to WMV with 5.1 guide and cannot get the Graphedit working properly as when I try to connect the boxes they cannot agree on a connection. Im not 100% sure I have installed everything properly and registered everything properly either so I am in need of some serious assistance if you please. Is there any chance a more thorough guide can be written. I am not used to command prompts and registering this and that but this is something I really want to do.

And for those who are successful enough to get the WMV HD and not already aware of how to get it on the X-Box 360 other then streaming it then might I suggest MacDrive7 which can format your external harddrive into the HFS+ format which is completely accepted by the 360 and has no limitation on file size (Goodbye 4GB file limit) ... and once again Great Job everyone :P

I am running Windows Vista Ultimate on a Dell Inspiron 9400

[Fishrider]

Why spend a few hundred dollars if you could just ask me instead? :)

So one major question for you: why are you re-encoding VC-1 video to VC-1 video at equivalent or greater bitrates? What does that accomplish?

So I'm asking? Please, what does the goofy slider do? TIA. Sorry, I am relatively new to this forum and did not catch that your are a Windows Media expert. :)

Also, I thought that I was encoding smaller bitrates than the original just by choosing VBRs of less than 100%. How do you re-encode VC-1 to VC-1 at higher bitrates? Are you referring to the aforementioned performance slider? Does that have something to do with the the bitrate ratio from original to encode? Did I even understand the question? Maybe you are wondering why I would want close to original bitrates. My assumption is that compression equals some loss in quality so the closer you are to the original bitrates the closer you are to the quality of the original video. Be kind, I said I was a layman. I am still learning.

[Fishrider]

Helllo everyone and great job on this might I add. I have tried following the EVO to WMV with 5.1 guide and cannot get the Graphedit working properly as when I try to connect the boxes they cannot agree on a connection. Im not 100% sure I have installed everything properly and registered everything properly either so I am in need of some serious assistance if you please. Is there any chance a more thorough guide can be written. I am not used to command prompts and registering this and that but this is something I really want to do.

Sorry, I did not go into detail on how to install and register your filters properly(time constraints). You need to find the corresponding .ax files for each of the filters I have listed and make sure they are properly registered. There are a few filters that come with Graph edit with which I had a specific problem. The .bat file that registers the filters use the /s switch after Regsvr32, which means "run silently do not display window messages". The install runs quicker that way, but if you get an error you would not know. So I edited the .bat and took off the /s switch and found out they were not registering properly because of Vista's UAC (User Account Control). Here is a way you can re-register all of your filters and check to see if they are registering properly or you can just pick those filters you need. Do a search on your computer for all .ax files. Copy these files to a single directory. Open Note Pad. For each .ax file write a line that looks like this: (I used the dump filter as an example)

regsvr32 dump.ax

You will end up with a long list of filters. Save the Note Pad file as "Filters.bat" in the same directory as your filters. Run your .bat file by double clicking on it. A window will pop up for each filter to tell you that it succeeded in registering or you will get an error message. If you get an error message you must turn off Vista's UAC and then start over. UAC control can be found in:

Control Panel--> User Accounts and Family Safety --> User Accounts --> Turn User Accounts Control On or Off

I believe it is a good idea to turn this back on after you are done installing the filters.

Disclaimer: Doing these sorts of operations to your computer may cause issues. Do them at your own risk.

[Sephiroth0000]

Well I uninstalled and unregsistered everything last night and started from scratch and reregistered everything and then put Sox and Eac3to with the file I want to transcode, demuxed and then when I try to take the file to Graphedit it does not agree on a connection when I attempt to connect them. Are you saying that UAC could be causing this? I will try what you say when I get back but I did do the command lines as System Administrator....

Thankyou for the wisdom :) Do not mean to be a pain but can you just reconfirm the filters I am supposed to have installed and where to please...

[DarkNite]

Wouldn't running the bat file as administrator be easier than disabling uac? Running as administrator only requires right clicking and using the context menu while disabling uac involves invoking msconfig, tools tab, launch disable uac, and then a restart.

You could always set cmd.exe to run as administrator in its properties > compatibility tab as well. Either way is less of a risk then disabling uac altoghether.

[zambelli]

So I'm asking? Please, what does the goofy slider do? TIA. Sorry, I am relatively new to this forum and did not catch that your are a Windows Media expert. :)
The performance slider controls the encoder complexity. The encoder complexity regulates the accuracy of the motion estimation algorithms. Lower complexity modes are faster because they make less accurate motion predictions and therefore result in bigger compressed frames. It's a tradeoff between encoding time and quality. The complexity range for WMV9 codec is 0-5.

Also, I thought that I was encoding smaller bitrates than the original just by choosing VBRs of less than 100%. How do you re-encode VC-1 to VC-1 at higher bitrates? Are you referring to the aforementioned performance slider? Does that have something to do with the the bitrate ratio from original to encode? Did I even understand the question? Maybe you are wondering why I would want close to original bitrates. My assumption is that compression equals some loss in quality so the closer you are to the original bitrates the closer you are to the quality of the original video. Be kind, I said I was a layman. I am still learning.
Quality VBR mode encodes at a fixed quantizer level. It compresses every frame using the same level of compression regardless of its complexity, so you have no control over the final file size.

The reason I asked why you were re-encoding VC-1 to VC-1 using the same bitrate is: if that's acceptable, why not just use the original VC-1 bitstream? Why not just mux the original VC-1 video into a new container without any recompression?

[Sephiroth0000]

Fishrider thankyou for the input and I have done as you suggested and you are correct with them filters not registering or working. So I created my own bat. extension for the filters and got them installed and registered so thankyou for that :) . But with Graphedit I load my demuxed EVO file and connect it to Sonic HD Demuxer but when I try to go from that to the Sonic Cinemaster Video Decoder 4.2 it cannot agree on a connection. Can anyone help!? I installed the DTSAC3source thing, dump.ax and all the filters from Graphedit and oblivously I have Sonic Cinemaster 4.2 installed aswell. Where am I going wrong?

[Fishrider]

Fishrider thankyou for the input and I have done as you suggested and you are correct with them filters not registering or working. So I created my own bat. extension for the filters and got them installed and registered so thankyou for that :) . But with Graphedit I load my demuxed EVO file and connect it to Sonic HD Demuxer but when I try to go from that to the Sonic Cinemaster Video Decoder 4.2 it cannot agree on a connection. Can anyone help!? I installed the DTSAC3source thing, dump.ax and all the filters from Graphedit and oblivously I have Sonic Cinemaster 4.2 installed aswell. Where am I going wrong?

You do not need the Sonic video decoder or demuxer for the video. You need the VC-1 decoder. The filter is WMVideo Decoder DMO. You only use the Sonic HD Demuxer and the Sonic Audio Decoder for Audio only. Read through my tutorial. It gives step by step instructions on how to set up your graphs. If you didn't already download the tutorial it is post #212 in this thread.

[Fishrider]

The performance slider controls the encoder complexity. The encoder complexity regulates the accuracy of the motion estimation algorithms. Lower complexity modes are faster because they make less accurate motion predictions and therefore result in bigger compressed frames. It's a tradeoff between encoding time and quality. The complexity range for WMV9 codec is 0-5.

So I was correct in my guess that the slider does affect file size. Does this mean the encode(from a digital standpoint) has no resemblance to the original video. I mean, where is the point on the slider that gives you the same or close to accurate information so that you do not have any more or any less info then what you started with. Or am I comparing apples and oranges in so far as the data is totally different (as I stated above) once the encode is completed?

Does This also mean that this slider than affects bitrates in the final encode? And does this algorithm really have a noticeable affect on complex motion one way or the other? Especially, when you are encoding high bitrates.

Quality VBR mode encodes at a fixed quantizer level. It compresses every frame using the same level of compression regardless of its complexity, so you have no control over the final file size.

I understand this part of your statement. In my tutorial I talk about the need for compression because it is important that we get peak and average bitrates lower than the original movie for streaming constraints. I encode at 93% VBR(usually) because I found any higher than that I have problems streaming during complex video. I can get a feel for file sizes based on observed bitrates during encoding, but file size is not as important. I suppose I could have movies that are the same size as the original it just ups the cost of storing it since you are using more gigs.

Also, don't I want even compression over all frames? Does that not stay more true to the original video? Are you suggesting that CBR might be more useful in some way?

The reason I asked why you were re-encoding VC-1 to VC-1 using the same bitrate is: if that's acceptable, why not just use the original VC-1 bitstream? Why not just mux the original VC-1 video into a new container without any recompression?

Again, the same bitrates in the original VC-1 always seemed problematic for streaming as they would get too high in some instances(55k+). However, I am now unsure if the encode is affecting bitrate output. I assumed that at 100% VBR that you are encoding the original video bit for bit. But now, I am not sure how the Performance slider affects the new bitstream output. How do you know what the peak bit rates are in the original VC-1 bitstream? If you could stream the original VC-1 video with no problems, can I mux the .wav file and the original VC-1 into a WMV without using the encoder? If so, how do I do this? Can I mux the orignal DD+ and the VC-1 into a WMV (assuming I have a receiver that can decode the audio)?

EDIT: So, I did a little more researching in the forums and successfully demuxed the VC-1 stream and then remuxed it with a 5.1 wma using Windows Media Stream editor. I did this just to see what would happen in a streaming environment. I used the method that Acrowley posted here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1046542&highlight=mux+wmv#post1046542). It plays great on my computer, but when I attempt to stream it to my Xbox the Xbox crashes. So unless I am doing something else wrong (probable) than I am back to my first assertion that compressing the video a bit for streaming is correct. Can you please still answer the rest of the above q's.

PS: Thank you for your time and input. The education I was lacking when building this tutorial was the theory and implementation of using Windows Media Video. In other words I understand how to get from step 1 to step 2 just not why I was able to get there, and what the other options might be and how those options affect my outcome based on my goals for this project.

[Sephiroth0000]

Reading your guide it does seem to make abit more sense and I am going to retry it tonight. I cannot play the demuxed files I have in WMP so I assume this is where I have gone wrong. I'll message my findings later. Thankyou for taking the time to answer my questions Fishrider I really appreciate it :) I just so want to be able to do this you know.

Oh and also with following the guide you have done will it be true 5.1 surround sound?

[Fishrider]

Oh and also with following the guide you have done will it be true 5.1 surround sound?

Technically, it is no longer Dolby Digital, but what you get is a reproduction of the original 6 channel audio. It is 5.1 digital surround. I think you would be hard pressed to notice any difference between the original track and the 5.1 you get from this process. On my system it sounds great.

[Fishrider]

Wouldn't running the bat file as administrator be easier than disabling uac? Running as administrator only requires right clicking and using the context menu while disabling uac involves invoking msconfig, tools tab, launch disable uac, and then a restart.

You could always set cmd.exe to run as administrator in its properties > compatibility tab as well. Either way is less of a risk then disabling uac altoghether.

I tried this first, and could still not get the files to register properly. I messed around awhile with security settings for administrator and programs, but to no avail. I thought this way would be better as well, but in the end I had to turn off the UAC.

[juzzy999]

This is so painful. However im 1 step away from putting 5.1ch into a final wmv-hd file.

I've got a mkv file (1080P Movie)
I've got an Ac3 file (5.1 Audio)

When i put these together in WME, everything goes fine until i hit apply, i use the windows media audio 10 pro, and eg: 440kbs 5.1ch 48Hz

It always comes up with this error

"The input media format is invalid.(0xC00D0BB8)"

Everytime i use 5.1ch or more is comes up with this error

Everytime i use 2 ch is works fine.. What the hell is going on????


My comp is set to 5.1ch too....?????????????

[Sephiroth0000]

Fishrider I have done everything your guide has stated and so far it has worked tremendelously well but for some reason the Audio in Graphedit is not working. Now in your graph you use Audio decoder 4.3 but I only have 4.2. Is there a way around this at all?

[Fishrider]

Fishrider I have done everything your guide has stated and so far it has worked tremendelously well but for some reason the Audio in Graphedit is not working. Now in your graph you use Audio decoder 4.3 but I only have 4.2. Is there a way around this at all?

As far as I know you need 4.3. You can download the Sonic player decoder pack for about $15, if I remember correctly. There are ways to get the decoders otherwise, but I am loathe to say how since this is a commercial product. A little searching and ingenuity and you can find the work around if you so desire. Trust me, I am not one to make judgment calls on this sort of stuff. I live in THE glass house, but I choose not to disseminate the information on these work arounds. Not to say that I haven't paid for this particular product, just that I have read how to get it otherwise.

[Sephiroth0000]

So that's what its called. I have had no success searching under decoder. Fishrider you the man :thanks:

U P D A T E !
Neglect comment above as now have decoder :) The only problem that I have now is that the Audio Decoder 4.3.0 is not agreeing on a connection with AC3Filter. But could it be because I use VistaCodecs which is bundled codecs (AC3 filter being one of them) I know im pretty much filling up this page of the forum with my comments and I do apologise everyone lol!

[Fishrider]

So that's what its called. I have had no success searching under decoder. Fishrider you the man :thanks:

U P D A T E !
Neglect comment above as now have decoder :) The only problem that I have now is that the Audio Decoder 4.3.0 is not agreeing on a connection with AC3Filter. But could it be because I use VistaCodecs which is bundled codecs (AC3 filter being one of them) I know im pretty much filling up this page of the forum with my comments and I do apologise everyone lol!

Do you have the latest version of Ac3 Filter? I think it is 1.46. Download it direct from the Ac3 site. http://ac3filter.net/projects/ac3filter

[Sephiroth0000]

I have made sure that I have the latest AC3Filter but now when it start does the audio.grf and making the WAV file it stops because I get this error...

DIRECTSHOW SDK FILTER GRAPH EDITOR HAS STOPPED WORKING A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available. Also though I have noticed that when I play the file for making it into WAV it saids that SPDIF is disabled in the AC3 Filter which I assume may be responsible for this error. Anyone else had this same error at all!? ANYONE at all!?

[Fishrider]

I have made sure that I have the latest AC3Filter but now when it start does the audio.grf and making the WAV file it stops because I get this error...

DIRECTSHOW SDK FILTER GRAPH EDITOR HAS STOPPED WORKING A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available. Also though I have noticed that when I play the file for making it into WAV it saids that SPDIF is disabled in the AC3 Filter which I assume may be responsible for this error. Anyone else had this same error at all!? ANYONE at all!?

Make sure you followed all of the instructions about AC3 filter. You need to have SPDIF checked. Also, graphedit can be a little touchy. I once got an error message while dumping to a WAV file, but it works 99% of the time for me.

[Sephiroth0000]

Make sure you followed all of the instructions about AC3 filter. You need to have SPDIF checked. Also, graphedit can be a little touchy. I once got an error message while dumping to a WAV file, but it works 99% of the time for me.


But I have checked SPDIF and everything else that is needed but the moment I start playing the file in Graphedit it DISABLES it within AC3Filter. What about the CinePlayer Decoder?...should I have that set to SPDIF because at the moment it is stuck at two channel. Oh and also I have Sigmatel HD Audio on my laptop (Laptop is DELL INSPIRON 9400) Anything anyone can suggest?

[Fishrider]

And for those who are successful enough to get the WMV HD and not already aware of how to get it on the X-Box 360 other then streaming it then might I suggest MacDrive7 which can format your external harddrive into the HFS+ format which is completely accepted by the 360 and has no limitation on file size (Goodbye 4GB file limit) ... and once again Great Job everyone :P

I am running Windows Vista Ultimate on a Dell Inspiron 9400

I had an extra RAID enclosure laying about. I put an old hard drive in it and downloaded the trial version of Macdrive 7. I formatted the hard drive ti HFS+ and then copied versions of encodes including my remuxed stuff to the drive. The XBOX sees the hard drive fine, but when I play the files they play for about 5-10 seconds and then give me an error message saying:

Unplayable content: Can't play this because the content may not be supported.

Status Code: 69-02-8007045D

Sephiroth0000,

Have you actually played WMV files using this method.

I put a support ticket in via e-mail with XBOX. Does anyone here know what this means?

[Sephiroth0000]

I had an extra RAID enclosure laying about. I put an old hard drive in it and downloaded the trial version of Macdrive 7. I formatted the hard drive ti HFS+ and then copied versions of encodes including my remuxed stuff to the drive. The XBOX sees the hard drive fine, but when I play the files they play for about 5-10 seconds and then give me an error message saying:

Unplayable content: Can't play this because the content may not be supported.

Status Code: 69-02-8007045D

Sephiroth0000,

Have you actually played WMV files using this method.

I put a support ticket in via e-mail with XBOX. Does anyone here know what this means?

I have played WMV via this method and it should not be any problem. Make sure that the X-Box 360 is on live as you should be asked to actually install an update before being able to play any file. Im sure it is called the AAC file update but I assure you providing it is WMV files you are loading up they should play no problem.
REMEMBER THOUGH it only plays WMV not demuxed files or any sort. The end file result you get from following your guide is the file it will play with no problem.

[Sephiroth0000]

Guide to convert HD-DVDs to WMV HD with 5.1 audio channels

Please note that this solution is by no means the only solution possible nor is it necessarily the best! It just happened to work for me!


Required software :

1) AnyDVD HD [Commercial] or BackupHDDVD [Free] or DVDFab HD Decrypter (http://www.dvdfab.com/free.htm) [Free]
2) EVO Demux [Free]
3) DTS/AC3/DD+ source filter [Free]
4) Sonic Cineplayer Decoder Pack 4.2 [Commercial]
5) AviSynth 2.5.7 [Free]
6) graphedit (which is part of the Windows SDK and should include the dump.ax filter) [Free]
6) WM Encoder 9 Series [Free]
7) Alex Zambelli’s Windows Media Encoder Command Line Script Utility (WMCmd.vbs ) [Free]
8) madshi's eac3to (http://madshi.net/eac3to.zip) [Free]
9) SoX 13.0 (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10706&package_id=10619&release_id=485785) [Free]
10) Tranzcode 0.40beta (http://tranzcode.byethost22.com/) [Free]
11) Windows Media Mono to Multichannel Wave Combiner 9 Series (WavAviMux (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/encoder/utilities.aspx)) [Free]


Install guide

Installations are quite straight forward with a few exceptions:

1) To install DTS/AC3/DD+ source filter, extract “dtsac3source-full.ax” to C:\Windows\System32 then register the filter using Start>Run and entering “regsvr32 C:\Windows\System32\dtsac3source-full.ax” (without the quotes!)

2) WM Encoder 9 Series should install in C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder. Rename the original WMCmd.vbs located there in and extract Zambelli’s WMCmd.vbs to this location.

3) Place Tranzcode in your C:\Windows\System32 folder and place eac3to and sox in the same folder as the audio and video source files you wish to transcode.


Conversion Guide

STEP 1: Rip HD-DVD
Use AnyDVD HD or BackupHDDVD or DVDFab HD Decrypter to rip the contents of your HD-DVD to your Hard Disk.

STEP 2: Demux main EVO files
In this step, you will demux the EVO files previously ripped into namely DD+ audio and VC-1 video.
Open EVO Demux and select the “Options” tab. Specify the following extensions respectively for video, audio and subtitles: vc1, ddp and sup. Then make sure “Count Frames” and “Continue with second EVO” are checked. Next, chose the “Status” tab, browse to and select your first main EVO file. Your file will first be analyzed and the total number of “calculated frames” will appear at the bottom. Write this number down.

STEP 3: Create GRF file for the VC-1 video file using the following sequence of filters in graphedit:

File Async(Video_Source.vc1) > Sonic HD Demuxer > Sonic Cinemaster VideoDecoder 4.2

(Save the file as Video_Only.grf for example.)

STEP 4: Create the corresponding Avisynth script file:

Directshowsource("C:\Path to\Video_Only.grf", fps=23.976, audio=false, seekzero=false, seek=true, framecount=xxxx)

where you should replace "xxxx" with the total amount of calculated frames obtained from EVO Demux. (Save the file as Video_Only.avs for example.)

STEP 5: Create the batch file containing the complete transcoding process detailed below

eac3to.exe "C:\Path to\Audio_Source.ddp" "C:\Path to\output.wav"
tranzcode.exe "C:\Path to\output.wav"
wavavimux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63
cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "C:\Path to\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "C:\Path to\audio.avi" -output "C:\Path to\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16

Save the file with the extension ".bat". Be sure to have "Path to" pointing to the same folder in which eac3to and sox are located along with all your audio and video source files.

Doubleclick on the .bat file and... be patient! :(
(I have an Intel Core 2 Duo @2.4GHz and it takes approx. 10 mins to encode 1 min of movie, i.e. a 1 hour movie will take about 10 hours to encode! But I'm not sure if the process is linear so I guess it may take more or less time!) :confused:

Finally, just a word of thanks to Zambelli and all others who have made this small guide possible!

For those of you still encountering problems, I would also recommend keeping an eye on this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=991220#post991220).

Oliver I am attempting to follow your guide but when I get to the final command line it comes up with a Nero Audio Decoder innstance failed error. I was told I needed the HD BLU-Ray Plugin which I now have and still the same error....any idea's?

[morphx2]

I have a BIG problem I cant seem to solve!!

I am using Fishriders guide

Using graphedit and AC3Filter, when it saves the wav, it is playing SUPERFAST and only saving 36 minutes of the movie..when the movie is around 90 minutes. It is constantly doing that and I have no idea why. Any ideas??

[zambelli]

So I was correct in my guess that the slider does affect file size.
In 1-pass VBR mode, yes. In every other mode - no - it would only affect quality because the filesize would be determined by the target bitrate.
Does this mean the encode(from a digital standpoint) has no resemblance to the original video. I mean, where is the point on the slider that gives you the same or close to accurate information so that you do not have any more or any less info then what you started with. Or am I comparing apples and oranges in so far as the data is totally different (as I stated above) once the encode is completed?
It's apples and oranges. :) VC-1 is a lossy codec, just like MPEG-2, MPEG-4, H.264, etc. It doesn't matter that you're going from VC-1 to VC-1 because the encoder doesn't know that - it only knows it's encoding video.

Does This also mean that this slider than affects bitrates in the final encode? And does this algorithm really have a noticeable affect on complex motion one way or the other? Especially, when you are encoding high bitrates.
If you're using a bitrate-based encoding mode, then the slider will affect quality because the encoder will strive to meet the bitrate requirements. "Sloppier" motion estimation will result in complex frames taking up more space, thus depriving other frames of bits from the "bit bucket".

I understand this part of your statement. In my tutorial I talk about the need for compression because it is important that we get peak and average bitrates lower than the original movie for streaming constraints.
For network streaming you'd need to use CBR encoding.
Quality VBR doesn't provide a consistent bitflow because it is not bitrate-based. It can create very extreme peaks and valleys in the bit allocation. It is the least appropriate method for streaming.

Again, the same bitrates in the original VC-1 always seemed problematic for streaming as they would get too high in some instances(55k+).
55 thousand what? 55 megabits per second? That's not possible because HD-DVD bitrates can't go above 30 Mbps. In reality they rarely exceed 20-25 Mbps.

However, I am now unsure if the encode is affecting bitrate output. I assumed that at 100% VBR that you are encoding the original video bit for bit.
No! Lossy compression is lossy compression. Q100 uses a quantizer (QP) 1.0 - which is still lossy.

The education I was lacking when building this tutorial was the theory and implementation of using Windows Media Video. In other words I understand how to get from step 1 to step 2 just not why I was able to get there, and what the other options might be and how those options affect my outcome based on my goals for this project.
I would recommend you read up on video compression. Most lossy modern video codecs are based on DCT and quantization. Reading up on MPEG-1, MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 will help you understand VC-1 too. Wikipedia would be a good starting point.

[morphx2]

what setting in media encoder is 2-pass vbr?

[zambelli]

Bitrate VBR and Bitrate VBR (peak).

[morphx2]

I tried Oliver's method...12 monkeys was totally out of sync! Any ideas on how to fix this? Is there a way to check to make sure it is in sync first before encoding it and is there a way to change the audio delay somewhere?

[morphx2]

Ahh, I think I figured out why. I did the wrong framecount :-\ That would be the reason huh? I did it for the counted, not calculated.


Edit: It is still REALLY out of sync!!! AHhhhhhhhhhh

[Holdris]

This is so painful. However im 1 step away from putting 5.1ch into a final wmv-hd file.

I've got a mkv file (1080P Movie)
I've got an Ac3 file (5.1 Audio)

When i put these together in WME, everything goes fine until i hit apply, i use the windows media audio 10 pro, and eg: 440kbs 5.1ch 48Hz

It always comes up with this error

"The input media format is invalid.(0xC00D0BB8)"

Everytime i use 5.1ch or more is comes up with this error

Everytime i use 2 ch is works fine.. What the hell is going on????


My comp is set to 5.1ch too....?????????????


I'm having the exact same problem, always 0xC00D0BB8 error when trying to encode 5.1 to WMA.

I'm using WMNicEnc and the CCCP codec pack.

Has anyone found a solution for this?

[zambelli]

I'm having the exact same problem, always 0xC00D0BB8 error when trying to encode 5.1 to WMA.

I'm using WMNicEnc and the CCCP codec pack.

Has anyone found a solution for this?
Decoding to 6 mono WAV files and then to WMA Pro ought to always work. Also, WMCmd.vbs has more advanced encoding options than WMNicEnc at this point (thought I'd be happy to help Nic update his tool if he's got time).

[kwestgat]

I have succesfully encoded evo to wmvhd a couple of times using the process described in this forum/thread.

Now im trying to convert the departed HdDVD and Im running into problems.

If I graphedit video = vc1-intervideodemultiplexer-intervideo decoder- When the bat file runs it tells me its failed to retrieve duration attribute from source plugin trying alertnate method.... this way will encode the movie as for as 161,160 kbs then it ends. I have the correct frame count set but it always stops right at this point.

If i graphedit the video VC1 file or the rebuilt evo file with sonic demux-sonic videodecoder 4.3- the bat. tells me I dont have the correct RGB out pin?

I can watch all three versions thru graph edit just fine with a render filter at the end.

Im using Xp/Dual Processor with 3 gb of ram
demux-avs-grf with a bat file

the settings in the bat file are

-v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 192_44_2_24

the settings in the video avs file are

fps=23.976, audio=false, seekzero=false, seek=true).trim(0,227679) Ive also used framecount=xxxxxx


my audio is standard and not a concern, I dont need 5.1 audio and that side of things appears to be fine.

[Sephiroth0000]

http://rapidshare.com/files/66107349/EVO_to_WMV_HD_with_5.1.doc.html

Hello everyone and anyone. This link will download EVO to WMV HD with 5.1 support guide. I do not pretend to be a mastermind with computers and can say I started originally with OliverDB's guide. All this guide is a more thorough guide going from start to finish so anyone even with basic computer knowledge can understand it. (something I could not understand with OliverDB as I think his guide is for people who know what they are doing) where is I at first did not.

[jaihenwood]

Sephiroth0000 - I'm soooo happy to find your guide! i'm really new and i'm trying it now!

thanks i've already learned a lot from it

just a few things questions i have already:

1. when i downloaded GraphEdit you linked me to an old version. I already downloaded a new version i think and i don't have the files you talk about moving into the system folder. should i just download the old version or new?

2. i can't find a version of Sonic CinePlayer 4.3 I found 4.2 is that going to be a problem?

thanks again!

[Sephiroth0000]

Sephiroth0000 - I'm soooo happy to find your guide! i'm really new and i'm trying it now!

thanks i've already learned a lot from it

just a few things questions i have already:

1. when i downloaded GraphEdit you linked me to an old version. I already downloaded a new version i think and i don't have the files you talk about moving into the system folder. should i just download the old version or new?

2. i can't find a version of Sonic CinePlayer 4.3 I found 4.2 is that going to be a problem?

thanks again!

I would suggest going with the older version of GraphEdit as it is more likely to be successful. However with the old GraphEdit please do not run the register file it gives you and instead regsvr32 the files as stated in the guide. 4.2 should not be a problem but make sure to change the AllowAllRenders from 0 to 1 or they may not connect in GraphEdit. Any queries result to the guide or ask me and I will help all I can. It drove me mad for ages at first but once you have done it the first time its childs play. I am now actually working on decreasing the convert time and believe I can fufill this with using MS DOS with NTFS read and write support. But my work is only theory at the moment and I will update on here the more I find out.

[kwestgat]

Sepiroth first and foremost thank you for your guide it has been very helpful.

Do you think you can explain why a windows media encode would crash at the same place in the movie everytime?
Ive tried everything. Ive changed VBR modes Ive adjusted audio levels, conversion size, what am I missing?...I just cant figure this one out .

[superhero6]

Thanks for the guide Sephiroth0000! :thanks:
I have one question. How do you handle audio sync problems? Some HDDVD's I own covert just fine but others like a certain Giant Robot movie are giving me fits.:devil:
Any help/hints/voodoo would be welcome.
Thanks

[Sephiroth0000]

Sepiroth first and foremost thank you for your guide it has been very helpful.

Do you think you can explain why a windows media encode would crash at the same place in the movie everytime?
Ive tried everything. Ive changed VBR modes Ive adjusted audio levels, conversion size, what am I missing?...I just cant figure this one out .

If it is the same place in the movie everytime and its the same movie you are doing then all I can imagine is the original video file may be error'd. I suggest getting another copy of the file and seeing how you go from there. Also if you could paste the settings and error code it may help :)

[Sephiroth0000]

Thanks for the guide Sephiroth0000! :thanks:
I have one question. How do you handle audio sync problems? Some HDDVD's I own covert just fine but others like a certain Giant Robot movie are giving me fits.:devil:
Any help/hints/voodoo would be welcome.
Thanks

I take it you mean the audio is out of time. Are you attempting it with a true HD source audio file? When you EvoDemux the file it shows what audio streams are TrueHD and what are not. I would say try it with DolbyDigital or DTS but not TrueHD. Also how are you doing it? Are you following the guide I did or another means? If so what is the way you are doing it?

Oh and also I have found when I do transcodes for HD DVD and make my system do other stuff like browsing or what not it causes problems and especially if your PC hibernates or anything. Problems I have suffered with are crashes during the transcode aswell as choppy video. Now I just leave the PC until it is finished.

AT LEAST YOU HAVE THE GIANT ROBOT MOVIE TO PLAY WITH ! I CAN'T GET IT ANYWHERE HA, HA, HA

[superhero6]

Thanks for the quick response. I'm basically using your method.
1. I rip with AnyDVDHD.
2. Use Evodemux to get the calculated frames.
3. Then use Evodemux to rebuild the evo into one big evo.
4. Demux the h624 stream and the DD+ audio stream.
5. Build a .grf for the video stream.
Transformers_HDDVD.264>Sonic HD Demuxer>CyberLink H.264/AVC Decoder I had problems with strange artifacts with the Sonic Video filter.
6. Then create a .avs.

DirectShowSource("C:\encodes\Video_Transformers.GRF", fps=23.976, audio=false, seekzero=false, seek=true, framecount=206368)
Spline36Resize(1280,720)
Crop(0,92,0,-88)
ConvertToYV12()

6. Use this .bat file to convert and encode the audio stream to wma.

C:\EncodingTools\eac3to\eac3to.exe %1 C:\encodes\output.wav
c:\encodes\tranzcode.exe c:\encodes\output.wav c:\encodes\output
c:\encodes\wavavimux -o c:\encodes\audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63
cscript.exe c:\encodes\wmcmd.vbs -input c:\encodes\audio.avi -output c:\encodes\Encoded_audio.wma -audioonly -a_codec WMAPRO -a_mode 0 -a_setting 768_48_6_24

7. Use this bat file to encode the video

cmd /k cscript.exe c:\encodes\wmcmd.vbs -input %1 -output c:\encodes\"%~n1".wmv -v_codec WVC1 -videoonly -v_mode 0 -v_bitrate 8000000 -v_keydist 4 -v_buffer 600000 -v_quality 100 -v_preset better

8. Then I use the Windows Media Stream Editor to mux the wma and wmv together.

9. I usually then watch it and enjoy.. but not this time :confused:

It appears to me that the audio is just behind the video. I know you are supposed to be able to determine the delay using Evodemux but I have tried using methods I found from searching posts here on doom9, but they don't seem to be working. (Looking at the Video First PTS and Audio First PTS and trying to determine it from there). Maybe I'm not calculating it correctly or maybe I don't really know what I'm doing :eek:.
Thanks for your help.

[Sephiroth0000]

Thanks for the quick response. I'm basically using your method.
1. I rip with AnyDVDHD.
2. Use Evodemux to get the calculated frames.
3. Then use Evodemux to rebuild the evo into one big evo.
4. Demux the h624 stream and the DD+ audio stream.
5. Build a .grf for the video stream.
Transformers_HDDVD.264>Sonic HD Demuxer>CyberLink H.264/AVC Decoder I had problems with strange artifacts with the Sonic Video filter.
6. Then create a .avs.

DirectShowSource("C:\encodes\Video_Transformers.GRF", fps=23.976, audio=false, seekzero=false, seek=true, framecount=206368)
Spline36Resize(1280,720)
Crop(0,92,0,-88)
ConvertToYV12()

6. Use this .bat file to convert and encode the audio stream to wma.

C:\EncodingTools\eac3to\eac3to.exe %1 C:\encodes\output.wav
c:\encodes\tranzcode.exe c:\encodes\output.wav c:\encodes\output
c:\encodes\wavavimux -o c:\encodes\audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63
cscript.exe c:\encodes\wmcmd.vbs -input c:\encodes\audio.avi -output c:\encodes\Encoded_audio.wma -audioonly -a_codec WMAPRO -a_mode 0 -a_setting 768_48_6_24

7. Use this bat file to encode the video

cmd /k cscript.exe c:\encodes\wmcmd.vbs -input %1 -output c:\encodes\"%~n1".wmv -v_codec WVC1 -videoonly -v_mode 0 -v_bitrate 8000000 -v_keydist 4 -v_buffer 600000 -v_quality 100 -v_preset better

8. Then I use the Windows Media Stream Editor to mux the wma and wmv together.

9. I usually then watch it and enjoy.. but not this time :confused:

It appears to me that the audio is just behind the video. I know you are supposed to be able to determine the delay using Evodemux but I have tried using methods I found from searching posts here on doom9, but they don't seem to be working. (Looking at the Video First PTS and Audio First PTS and trying to determine it from there). Maybe I'm not calculating it correctly or maybe I don't really know what I'm doing :eek:.
Thanks for your help.

Just a hunch but I have found with some certain HD DVD's that the frame count does have to be precise (Matrix Trilogy being one of them) With EVODemux it would be better to get an exact frame rate and UNTICK fast evo checking. This way it will give you an exact counted frame rate for the film. This may clear it up abit but also with the GraphEdit it should be the file connected to SONIC HD DEMUXER and that needs to be connected to SONIC VIDEO CINEMASTER 4.3 or 4.2. There should be nothing else in GraphEdit my friend. Oh and also when I done the Matrix Trilogy I ended up using DolbyDigital or DTS audio as the TrueHD was doing my brain in.

[Sephiroth0000]

I am purchasing Transformers HD DVD aswell from the States this week so I will let you know how I get along aswell if you are unable to clear up the problem. You said you had some funky things going on with Sonic. Did you change the AllowAllRenders? Oh and also how have you registered the ax files from Graphedit? What operating system are you using aswell?

[superhero6]

I am purchasing Transformers HD DVD aswell from the States this week so I will let you know how I get along aswell if you are unable to clear up the problem. You said you had some funky things going on with Sonic. Did you change the AllowAllRenders? Oh and also how have you registered the ax files from Graphedit? What operating system are you using aswell?

When I used sonic's video 4.3 filter. There would be random green blocks and lots of pixelation at random places in the video. I didn't know about the AllowAllRenders option but I will look into that as well as unselecting the fast evo checking. I used the standard
RegSvr32 to register the dump.ax and one or two other filters who's names escape me right now. I'm still running WinXP Pro SP2 with current patches. (Haven't switched to vista - don't really want to). I did notice that Evodemux list the framerate for the H.264 video at 60fps. Thanks again for helping .... hopefully it will be an easy fix or just something I overlooked. I will take your advice and use a different audio stream. :thanks:

[Sephiroth0000]

When I used sonic's video 4.3 filter. There would be random green blocks and lots of pixelation at random places in the video. I didn't know about the AllowAllRenders option but I will look into that as well as unselecting the fast evo checking. I used the standard
RegSvr32 to register the dump.ax and one or two other filters who's names escape me right now. I'm still running WinXP Pro SP2 with current patches. (Haven't switched to vista - don't really want to). I did notice that Evodemux list the framerate for the H.264 video at 60fps. Thanks again for helping .... hopefully it will be an easy fix or just something I overlooked. I will take your advice and use a different audio stream. :thanks:

If you did not change the AllowAllRenders then that may of explained the pixelation and green blocks. My advice would be to go back and use Sonic. I mean there are actually 5 or 6 files you need to register with Graphedit but as I have stated before regsvr32 them yourself and do not use the register file that comes with Graphedit. Also make sure them ax files are in SYSTEM32 folder. Oh and with H.264 reading at 60fps that is not right either. It should be getting read at 23.967fps for PAL or 30fps for NTSC but nowhere near 60 frames my friend. I cannot wait to get hold of my copy to be honest. Oh and you also say that you demux the H.264 video stream but normally its not a H.264 stream. Give the evo a VC1 video extensions (Windows Media Video 9 Advanced) if you are still stuck with problems.

[superhero6]

Here is the info from EVOdemux about the video stream

[Sephiroth0000]

I think the extensions may be wrong. It should be being reconised as VC1. Go under options and give video the extensions of VC1, audio the extensions of DDP and subtitles SUP (that is if you wish to enclude subtitles)

[superhero6]

I double checked and it says on the disc case
"Two-Disc Set (Video Resolution/Codec) 1080p/MPEG 4" usually they say 1080p/VC-1.
I did solve my audio problem. I used delay cut on the big .wav that gets created by eac3to. I used -83ms delay and it seems to be ok. I have not watched all of the movie again but I did skip around and the audio seems to stay in sync trough out the movie.
:)

[Sephiroth0000]

I double checked and it says on the disc case
"Two-Disc Set (Video Resolution/Codec) 1080p/MPEG 4" usually they say 1080p/VC-1.
I did solve my audio problem. I used delay cut on the big .wav that gets created by eac3to. I used -83ms delay and it seems to be ok. I have not watched all of the movie again but I did skip around and the audio seems to stay in sync trough out the movie.
:)


Top stuff my friend! Well done :)

[Sephiroth0000]

Superhero just out of curiousity how long does it take for you to transcode in total my friend and what is the spec of your machine? I am only asking because I am attempting to lower the transcode time in general.

[superhero6]

Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz
2GB Ram
500GB HDD
8800 GTS Video Card

For Transformers it took about 20Hrs to encode.....:eek:

[Sephiroth0000]

Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz
2GB Ram
500GB HDD
8800 GTS Video Card

For Transformers it took about 20Hrs to encode.....:eek:

Its the H.264 format you are encoding it in is'nt it?

[Sephiroth0000]

I mean I am encoding with WMV-VC1 (Windows Media Video 9 Advanced also known as) and its taking me on avergare 50 hours to do 300 with 5.1 surround sound and full 1920x1080 resolution. I was looking at going over to Quad Core but instead I may just change the format I transcode to.

[superhero6]

No Im encoding to VC-1 as well but I resizing down to 1280x720 since that is all my TV supports. I wish I had a 1080p TV. 50 hrs!!!!
Your a very patient man. :)

[saint-francis]

Just for comparison it takes me about 11 - 13 hours to encode from a HD DVD @ 1080p with x264 using the MeGUI HQ Insane profile. I have a quad core @ 3.7 Ghz. A DVD takes about 2 hours. So for video encoding the quad core processors make a large difference.

[superhero6]

Just for comparison it takes me about 11 - 13 hours to encode from a HD DVD @ 1080p with x264 using the MeGUI HQ Insane profile. I have a quad core @ 3.7 Ghz. A DVD takes about 2 hours. So for video encoding the quad core processors make a large difference.

Are you resizing down or leaving it at 1920x1080? I have been keeping my eye on the prices of the quads and I might just get myself an early christmas gift.:cool:

[jaihenwood]

Sephiroth0000 do you or anyone else know of any other way to do 5.1 sound without the Nero HD DVD plug in. I can't find a trial version or torrent of it to even test it out.

It would be nice to use free tools if possible in your guide.

Thanks for all your help.

[Sephiroth0000]

Sephiroth0000 do you or anyone else know of any other way to do 5.1 sound without the Nero HD DVD plug in. I can't find a trial version or torrent of it to even test it out.

It would be nice to use free tools if possible in your guide.

Thanks for all your help.

Refer to the first page of this forum and it is the last post by OliverDB. I hope that helps you my friend. Bearing in mind though that it is 2 channel sound though and not 5.1 I will try and look into other means for you mate.

[Sephiroth0000]

My mate is going Quad core in his Media PC. He reckons he is going to overclock it so that its like 15Ghz raw power overall lol. Its going to put shame to my Dell Inspiron 9400 lol.

[Sephiroth0000]

No Im encoding to VC-1 as well but I resizing down to 1280x720 since that is all my TV supports. I wish I had a 1080p TV. 50 hrs!!!!
Your a very patient man. :)

Superhero how are you downsizing it then because I might give it a shot if the difference is not going to be too drastic. In terms of picture quality of course.

[simple]

sephiroth and of course oliverdb thanks for the guide , im very new to this so please be patient, when using demux you state
click on the VIDEO/AUDIO tab and make sure only the first video box is ticked if you want the (1080P version) or the second video box if you want the (720P version) Also make sure that only the first audio box is ticked as the rest you do not need

is this correct??

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3736/mmmxh5.png (http://imageshack.us)

[Sephiroth0000]

sephiroth and of course oliverdb thanks for the guide , im very new to this so please be patient, when using demux you state


is this correct??

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3736/mmmxh5.png (http://imageshack.us)

Simple if you click on STATUS after you have read the EVO it will say what audio stream is what i.e the 00 one is normally TrueHD and so on. With audio when I say the first I do mean the 00 one. But you will need the BluRay HD DVD Plugin from Nero to do it with 5.1

[simple]

thanks for the reply , im sure i will get there one day:)

[superhero6]

Superhero how are you downsizing it then because I might give it a shot if the difference is not going to be too drastic. In terms of picture quality of course.
I have been using the resize filter built into avisynth. I have been using Spline36Resize(1280,720) and the video still looks damn good on my Sony 42" LCD 720P streaming to the xbox360.
Here is the link to the Avisynth wiki on the internal resizing filters.
http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Spline36Resize

[Sephiroth0000]

I have been using the resize filter built into avisynth. I have been using Spline36Resize(1280,720) and the video still looks damn good on my Sony 42" LCD 720P streaming to the xbox360.
Here is the link to the Avisynth wiki on the internal resizing filters.
http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Spline36Resize

Gonna give this a bash later.

[saint-francis]

Are you resizing down or leaving it at 1920x1080? I have been keeping my eye on the prices of the quads and I might just get myself an early christmas gift.:cool:

Those times are with resizing. It takes a couple hours longer for 1080.

[Sephiroth0000]

Well so far 300 takes around 50 hours at 1920x1080 with full 5.1 whilst The Matrix Trilogy is taking on average 70 hours a film.

[jaihenwood]

Refer to the first page of this forum and it is the last post by OliverDB. I hope that helps you my friend. Bearing in mind though that it is 2 channel sound though and not 5.1 I will try and look into other means for you mate.

Sephiroth0000 - I think i got eac3to.exe to work found a torrent now I'm on to the Tranzcode step. I'm excited to make progress! =)

[superhero6]

Well so far 300 takes around 50 hours at 1920x1080 with full 5.1 whilst The Matrix Trilogy is taking on average 70 hours a film.:eek::mad:
70 Hrs!!! Wow. I'm thinking of putting together a second machine just for encoding.

[saint-francis]

:eek::mad:
70 Hrs!!! Wow. I'm thinking of putting together a second machine just for encoding.

Not necessary. I use my PC for encoding, regular computer use and I use Skype voip as my main phone all on the same PC with no problems. And my encoding times are still very reasonable. One good, solid, well maintained PC is all one really needs.

[jaihenwood]

I have been using the resize filter built into avisynth. I have been using Spline36Resize(1280,720) and the video still looks damn good on my Sony 42" LCD 720P streaming to the xbox360.
Here is the link to the Avisynth wiki on the internal resizing filters.
http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Spline36Resize

I'm trying this now.

thanks

[superhero6]

My projector is only 1280x720 so i need to resize them as well. Is Spline36Resize the best way? and when do you resize it? after your done making the wmv 1080 then convert to 720? or before all this?

thanks for your help!

I do the resizing in the avs script using a built in avisynth filter so the filter resizes then feeds the resized stream to the WMencoder. So you get to resize and then encode all at the same time. Check out the avisynth.org web sites and read the about the different built in resizing filters. I think that each one might be best suited to different types of encodes and sources. I haven't really used to many different ones, but I like the way the splineXXresize filter made the encode look. So I think preference has a lot to do with it.

[superhero6]

Not necessary. I use my PC for encoding, regular computer use and I use Skype voip as my main phone all on the same PC with no problems. And my encoding times are still very reasonable. One good, solid, well maintained PC is all one really needs.
Can you game at the same time? I get the itch to paly ET:Quake Wars and cant when the box is encoding. Maybe after I upgrade to quad core it will have the power to do all at once. I was thinking of building a Windows Home Server box to serv up all of my encodes to my 360.

[Sephiroth0000]

Sephiroth0000 - I think i got eac3to.exe to work found a torrent now I'm on to the Tranzcode step. I'm excited to make progress! =)

Glad to hear it matey! Like I said any questions please do ask mate!

[jaihenwood]

http://rapidshare.com/files/66107349/EVO_to_WMV_HD_with_5.1.doc.html

Hello everyone and anyone. This link will download EVO to WMV HD with 5.1 support guide. I do not pretend to be a mastermind with computers and can say I started originally with OliverDB's guide. All this guide is a more thorough guide going from start to finish so anyone even with basic computer knowledge can understand it. (something I could not understand with OliverDB as I think his guide is for people who know what they are doing) where is I at first did not.

Sephiroth0000 - I have used DVDFab HD Decrypter to rip 2 HD dvd to my hard drive and its free. So maybe you could recommend that in your guilde over anydvd that cost 100$?

Also i'm interested in bitrates. I need my WMV HD files to fit on a DL-DVD so i can keep my backups off my hard drive. Maybe you could add something to your guild talking about it?
here is a bitrate calculator i found:
http://www.citizeninsomniac.com/WMV/WMVBitCalc.html
I'm just not 100% how to set the bit rate and what the audio bitrate is yet. my first wmv HD is king kong and its going to be 11 GB i think. its taking me 16~ hour total est (half done)....and i have a 3.2 GHz dual core (E4300 overclocked)

what do you think?

[superhero6]

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Other-VIDEO-Tools/WM9-Bitrate-Calculator.shtml
A handy bit rate calculator to setup for size and have it calculate for the bit rate.

[simple]

sephiroth0000 :thanks: for your help and guidance the eac3to gui seem to do the trick for me fingers crossed:cool:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2944/encoding2wb9.png (http://imageshack.us)


EDIT THINK I MISSED SOMETHING LOL

[Sephiroth0000]

Sephiroth0000 - I have used DVDFab HD Decrypter to rip 2 HD dvd to my hard drive and its free. So maybe you could recommend that in your guilde over anydvd that cost 100$?

Also i'm interested in bitrates. I need my WMV HD files to fit on a DL-DVD so i can keep my backups off my hard drive. Maybe you could add something to your guild talking about it?
here is a bitrate calculator i found:
http://www.citizeninsomniac.com/WMV/WMVBitCalc.html
I'm just not 100% how to set the bit rate and what the audio bitrate is yet. my first wmv HD is king kong and its going to be 11 GB i think. its taking me 16~ hour total est (half done)....and i have a 3.2 GHz dual core (E4300 overclocked)

what do you think?

Very impressive mate and congrats on being successful. If people would like me to add more to the guide then ok sure (need to get the time as always busy) I am actually looking into making the transcode shorter by getting to run the actual transcode in standard MS DOS because Windows slows down MS DOS and COMMAND PROMPT when it emulates MS DOS or COMMAND PROMPT. The problem is though that getting proper READ and WRITE ACCESS for NTFS drives (some programs say they do but they don't really and are restrictive). Well I am going to need to find out what the actual BITRATE should be on a HD DVD so we can get the true identical copy. If people want to get more involved and add to this please do let me know.

[DarkNite]

Just chiming in to say that spline36resize is what I use for animated and CGI content, but when it comes to live action film I use lanczosresize(1280,720,taps=8) which produces the best subjective quality for that type of source imho.

[Sephiroth0000]

Just chiming in to say that spline36resize is what I use for animated and CGI content, but when it comes to live action film I use lanczosresize(1280,720,taps=8) which produces the best subjective quality for that type of source imho.

DarkNite care to go into some more detail there at all please? Something else we can add to the guide. Why does Spline36Resize work better with CGI and animation and why Lanczosresize with action film? More detail please dude lol

[Sephiroth0000]

R.I.P my Xbox 360. My Xbox 360 fell in gaming battle to the three red rings of death on the 3rd November 2007.

*Note*
For 'Simple' and 'SuperHero' I am now adding to the guide which has now been enchanced by Simple with some cool and wicked animation aswell as screenshots of the process (so thankyou for that) I am also going to add the BitRate calculator and some other things aswell as some info using DVDFab HD Decrypter which is FREE instead of AnyDVD HD. I am going to start looking into other formats evetually which should be faster and easier and more compact :)

[jaihenwood]

i've tried to change the bitrate to make king kong smaller but when i tried to play back the video it was all messed up.

what should be my csript options? this is from Sephiroth0000 guide which works for me: -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 768_48_6_24

i change it to: -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 3 -v_bitrate 5000000 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 768_48_6_24

what did i do wrong? how should i control the video bitrate?

thanks for your help!

[Sephiroth0000]

i've tried to change the bitrate to make king kong smaller but when i tried to play back the video it was all messed up.

what should be my csript options? this is from Sephiroth0000 guide which works for me: -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 768_48_6_24

i change it to: -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 3 -v_bitrate 5000000 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 768_48_6_24

what did i do wrong? how should i control the video bitrate?

thanks for your help!


I was not able to get much info on this but from what it seems its like the average for the file quality, resolution and what not. Im only surmissing here but my guess is that these are the settings needed to support the file as a whole (but do not quote me on that)

[Sephiroth0000]

To anyone who has a Playstation 3 I am now going to attempt to convert EVO to H.264 format which is Playstation compatiable. If anyone wants to get involved and started let me know.

[jaihenwood]

I'm sorry i didn't 100% understand your reply what is the best way to specify a bitrate for an encoding?

[Sephiroth0000]

I'm sorry i didn't 100% understand your reply what is the best way to specify a bitrate for an encoding?

Im not sure you can. I kow your frame rate can decide BITRATE in general because when I want to get a higher BITRATE i increase the FRAME RATE (23.976 is used in the guide but I have done encodes with anything up to 60 FRAMES which can take the BITRATE very high)I done it with Casino Royale and ended up with something stupid like 50Mbs BitRate. Why do you wish to lower the BitRate anyway?

[jaihenwood]

I'm trying to fit my backups on a DL DVDs so I need them to be under 8.3 GB and when i encoded king kong it was close to 10 GBs because it was so long. So i need to reduce the bit rate of the video.

I just put my first backup serenity in my xbox360 last night and i got half way into the movie and the xbox360 said unrecognized format any idea why? could it be bad media? i bought cheap DL dvds.... The 4GB limit for file size has to do with the hard drive right not the dvd-rom? maybe i'll try playing the DVD in the HD DVD drive tonight.

You streamed your movies to your Xbox360 right? maybe i'll try that. you need Microsoft media center to set that up right?

[Sephiroth0000]

I'm trying to fit my backups on a DL DVDs so I need them to be under 8.3 GB and when i encoded king kong it was close to 10 GBs because it was so long. So i need to reduce the bit rate of the video.

I just put my first backup serenity in my xbox360 last night and i got half way into the movie and the xbox360 said unrecognized format any idea why? could it be bad media? i bought cheap DL dvds.... The 4GB limit for file size has to do with the hard drive right not the dvd-rom? maybe i'll try playing the DVD in the HD DVD drive tonight.

You streamed your movies to your Xbox360 right? maybe i'll try that. you need Microsoft media center to set that up right?

I do not media stream my backup's over. Mine are based on external hard drive which I connect and play via USB. Yes there is a 4GB file limitation limit with FAT32 drives but I do not use the FAT32 format. Please consult my guide at the end to find out more.

[Sephiroth0000]

Oh and I assume you are playing the Dual layers via as DATA yes? I have found errors doing it this side. Try storage its much easier. An external 100GB slim HDD should not cost much now. They are very cheap.

[simple]

Oh and I assume you are playing the Dual layers via as DATA yes? I have found errors doing it this side. Try storage its much easier. An external 100GB slim HDD should not cost much now. They are very cheap.

yeah macdrive is the way to go , passport hardrives rock although limited to size no external power supply needed just connect the usb and your ready to go , personally i use a external caddy with a larger hard drive fitted although i do have a couple of passports on my xmas list:devil:

[Sephiroth0000]

Simple you got a Playstation 3?

[cbutters]

Hello All, This thread has been a lifesaver for me, now I thought I would share a few things I have discovered for myself that might help everyone.

1)Fixing audio delays
I have noticed that audio doesn't usually match up after demuxing for whatever reason. A way around this is to use the delay features of eac3to. All you have to do is add the following to your batch file +xxxms where xxx is the number of milliseconds you wish to delay. (Example: eac3to.exe "audio.ddp" "output.wav" +999ms)
You can also use -xxxms

2)Knowing the delay to use.
I have noticed it is easier to use avisynth to test a delay rather than encode the video and check the delay. Use the following command in your audio portion of avisynth script to test out different delay values:
AudioDelay(0.999)
.999 = 999ms

3)handling 64-bit versions of windows.
If you are using vista 64-bit, you need to register your files in the syswow64 directory rather than the system32 directory. I believe the syswow64 directory is for 32 bit and the system32 directory is for 64-bit. which is completely backwards. but hey, its microsoft. ;D

You need to run 32-bit media encoder because the codecs are 32-bit.

Also, you need to run the 32-bit version of cscript when you use windows media encoder, otherwise it will try to use the 64-bit version. therefore you need to specify the cscript.exe that is in the syswow64 directory. modify your batch file to point like this:

C:\Windows\SysWOW64\cscript.exe "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "W:\HD\video_only.avs" -a_input "W:\HD\audio.avi" -output "Y:\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 93 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16

I hope this helps everyone out, especially those using 64-bit windows.

[tyee]

Sephiroth0000

Yes, tell me how to convert evo to playstation playable file.

I just read on videohelp.com that PS3 will play an m2ts file if burned as data. Have you heard this?

[simple]

Simple you got a Playstation 3?

nah 360 , although one of the relatives has one

[Sephiroth0000]

Sephiroth0000

Yes, tell me how to convert evo to playstation playable file.

I just read on videohelp.com that PS3 will play an m2ts file if burned as data. Have you heard this?

I have only just started looking into this Tyee but I am attempting either H.264 or AVI. If you want to get involved let me know.

[Sephiroth0000]

nah 360 , although one of the relatives has one

My 360 fell in gaming battle on November 3rd. It fell honourably to the three red rings of death lol. But now I got Transformers HD DVD and no 360 till Microsoft move their backside....I must watch this film lol.

[simple]

i already have it in wmv 720p. aswell as cod4.

[Sephiroth0000]

i already have it in wmv 720p. aswell as cod4.

Lucky for some dude :(

[jaihenwood]

So there is no easy way to tell the delay? you just have to test different ones out? it seems like there should be an easy way to tell the HD DVD does it or is the just something that happens when you mux and demux?

Hello All, This thread has been a lifesaver for me, now I thought I would share a few things I have discovered for myself that might help everyone.

1)Fixing audio delays
I have noticed that audio doesn't usually match up after demuxing for whatever reason. A way around this is to use the delay features of eac3to. All you have to do is add the following to your batch file +xxxms where xxx is the number of milliseconds you wish to delay. (Example: eac3to.exe "audio.ddp" "output.wav" +999ms)
You can also use -xxxms

2)Knowing the delay to use.
I have noticed it is easier to use avisynth to test a delay rather than encode the video and check the delay. Use the following command in your audio portion of avisynth script to test out different delay values:
AudioDelay(0.999)
.999 = 999ms

3)handling 64-bit versions of windows.
If you are using vista 64-bit, you need to register your files in the syswow64 directory rather than the system32 directory. I believe the syswow64 directory is for 32 bit and the system32 directory is for 64-bit. which is completely backwards. but hey, its microsoft. ;D

You need to run 32-bit media encoder because the codecs are 32-bit.

Also, you need to run the 32-bit version of cscript when you use windows media encoder, otherwise it will try to use the 64-bit version. therefore you need to specify the cscript.exe that is in the syswow64 directory. modify your batch file to point like this:

C:\Windows\SysWOW64\cscript.exe "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "W:\HD\video_only.avs" -a_input "W:\HD\audio.avi" -output "Y:\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 93 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16

I hope this helps everyone out, especially those using 64-bit windows.

I still can't set a bitrate =/ has anyone had any luck with this?

[simple]

when using Nero does it have to be Nero 7.10 do the latest versions not work??? as you would think they would.

[Sephiroth0000]

when using Nero does it have to be Nero 7.10 do the latest versions not work??? as you would think they would.

I have tried using the later versions of Nero but its something to do with the access and rights it allows EAC3TO and I know for a fact that Nero 8 will not do that for some wierd reason

[schizosmurf]

I'm trying to build my graph for my audio stream. when i try to expand the directshow filters [+], graphedit crashes.
dragging my audio stream into graphedit automatically connects it with ac3 filter, and doesn't work (playing produces no sound)

any one know wth is goin on?

[foxyshadis]

Some filter is badly broken. Uninstall all codec packs first, see if that helps, and all other codecs you know of if it doesn't. Use a debugger to look at the crash's call stack to get an idea of which filter might be causing it if that still doesn't work. Then reinstall only what you need.

[schizosmurf]

thx foxy, reinstalled ffdshow and no more crashes.

still having trouble making my graph for audio, though.
i got my audiosource.ddp -> sonic hd demuxer -> Sonic Cinemaster Audio Decoder 4.3
this allows me to have sound.. but its 2channel instead of 5.1
the tutorial i'm using says to connect ac3 filter after the audio decoder, but graphedit wont allow that.

"These filters cannot agree on a connection. Verify type compatibility of input pin and output pin.
No combination of intermediate filters could be found to make the connection. (Return code: 0x80040217)"

Edit:
Filter properties for HD Demuxer shows output as stereo. That can't be good right?

[Sephiroth0000]

thx foxy, reinstalled ffdshow and no more crashes.

still having trouble making my graph for audio, though.
i got my audiosource.ddp -> sonic hd demuxer -> Sonic Cinemaster Audio Decoder 4.3
this allows me to have sound.. but its 2channel instead of 5.1
the tutorial i'm using says to connect ac3 filter after the audio decoder, but graphedit wont allow that.

"These filters cannot agree on a connection. Verify type compatibility of input pin and output pin.
No combination of intermediate filters could be found to make the connection. (Return code: 0x80040217)"

Edit:
Filter properties for HD Demuxer shows output as stereo. That can't be good right?


If you are attempting 5.1 and are not too fussed about using the WMV format then consult my guide afew pages back on this thread.

[schizosmurf]

If you are attempting 5.1 and are not too fussed about using the WMV format then consult my guide afew pages back on this thread.

yea, that tranzcode/wavavimux method is no good for me. that was the first method i tried several months ago. vista x64 and those programs dont wanna cooperate. i even made some posts about it in this thread, but never got anywhere on it

[zambelli]

If people would like me to add more to the guide then ok sure (need to get the time as always busy) I am actually looking into making the transcode shorter by getting to run the actual transcode in standard MS DOS because Windows slows down MS DOS and COMMAND PROMPT when it emulates MS DOS or COMMAND PROMPT.
What on earth are you talking about? None of the programs you're running are DOS programs. They're all Win32 programs running from the command-line - that is a completely different thing altogether.
The only DOS emulation that ever happens in Windows is if you try to run 16-bit DOS programs in Windows - which means programs compiled prior to 1995, most likely.
Im not sure you can. I kow your frame rate can decide BITRATE in general because when I want to get a higher BITRATE i increase the FRAME RATE (23.976 is used in the guide but I have done encodes with anything up to 60 FRAMES which can take the BITRATE very high)
Once again: huh? You increase your framerate to regulate your bitrate?

i've tried to change the bitrate to make king kong smaller but when i tried to play back the video it was all messed up.
Messed up how? Is it also messed up if you use v_mode 0 (1-pass CBR mode)?

[Sephiroth0000]

What on earth are you talking about? None of the programs you're running are DOS programs. They're all Win32 programs running from the command-line - that is a completely different thing altogether.
The only DOS emulation that ever happens in Windows is if you try to run 16-bit DOS programs in Windows - which means programs compiled prior to 1995, most likely.

Once again: huh? You increase your framerate to regulate your bitrate?


Messed up how? Is it also messed up if you use v_mode 0 (1-pass CBR mode)?

As for your first quote Zambelli the only problem I am getting is running Windows Media Encoder in DOS and getting the full read and write access on NTFS drives (I do the audio and everything else seperately so its only the actual transcode left)Oh and as for the frame rate I am only stating what I have seen and what has happened when I have done transcodes. Intead of picking at faults why not try and help everyone! I mean you oblivously want to come across as someone who knows what they're talking about....so come on!

ENLIGHTEN US...

I only tell people what has happened to me and how I have solved them. Does not mean I 100% understand it. The more everyone shares their information the faster we will all move along as a whole.

[Sephiroth0000]

yea, that tranzcode/wavavimux method is no good for me. that was the first method i tried several months ago. vista x64 and those programs dont wanna cooperate. i even made some posts about it in this thread, but never got anywhere on it

If you look back my guide is downloadable and explained step for step. I too am running Windows Vista and explained every error I had come across. With the programs that are not 64bit compatiable can you not just run them under Windows XP ServicePack 2?

Oh and also go back to POST 311 on this thread. It speaks of what it is that you have to do to get it to run on x64bit Windows. Good luck :)

[Sephiroth0000]

Do not know if anyone else is having this error but with a certain Giant Robot movie I am only getting half of the audio when I convert it to WAV. But yet the entire audio (that being 2.23.05) does come up when I first start doing the audio. The WAV file comes up as 6GB in size but like I said only contains half of the audio for the film (1.06.36) ... any idea's anyone?

[The_Flash]

I can't even get the audio to decode to wav. I have all the correct software installed, and the correct versions. I've registered all the filters, and I've attempted to use EAC3 as a standalone. In the latter case, I get a 0 byte file. I've also tried this in both XP and x64 with no luck.

I'm pretty much out of ideas. If anyone wants to throw some out there, I'll give it a shot.

[Sephiroth0000]

I can't even get the audio to decode to wav. I have all the correct software installed, and the correct versions. I've registered all the filters, and I've attempted to use EAC3 as a standalone. In the latter case, I get a 0 byte file. I've also tried this in both XP and x64 with no luck.

I'm pretty much out of ideas. If anyone wants to throw some out there, I'll give it a shot.


I can get it to Audio so I assure you my friend it is only a case of software or what not. Can you not give me the specific error or a image of it? The only reason why I am getting errors at the moment is because I am trying to make it AC3 instead of WAV. to make it WAV is no problem.

[The_Flash]

I'm guessing it is software as well, I just can't figure out what it is.

After the "Remove Dialog Normalization information. Please wait..." message the audio quits processing. I have an output.tmp.ddp file that is leftover, and I have an audio.avi file that is 0 bytes.

[Sephiroth0000]

I'm guessing it is software as well, I just can't figure out what it is.

After the "Remove Dialog Normalization information. Please wait..." message the audio quits processing. I have an output.tmp.ddp file that is leftover, and I have an audio.avi file that is 0 bytes.

Try using the EAC3TO GUI as I have had problems with the command prompt version also. Any chance of a piccy of the error?

[The_Flash]

Sure. This is what happens when I use the GUI. If I don't use the GUI, it quits after "Remove Dialog Normalization".

[zambelli]

As for your first quote Zambelli the only problem I am getting is running Windows Media Encoder in DOS and getting the full read and write access on NTFS drives (I do the audio and everything else seperately so its only the actual transcode left)Oh and as for the frame rate I am only stating what I have seen and what has happened when I have done transcodes. Intead of picking at faults why not try and help everyone! I mean you oblivously want to come across as someone who knows what they're talking about....so come on!
So... I'm curious. How are you running WME9 in MS-DOS? Which version of MS-DOS are you running? How does MS-DOS handle multithreading?

[Sephiroth0000]

So... I'm curious. How are you running WME9 in MS-DOS? Which version of MS-DOS are you running? How does MS-DOS handle multithreading?

I am trying to run it with MS DOS 7.10 but it refuses to load it up. You were right about the 32bit thingy but I was searching the other day and there is some FreeDos program that some people were doing and it is a 32bit version but not many programs are supported or something. Like I said I have been unsuccessful in loading it up so I have no idea how it would support multithreading. I did try to load up COMMAND PRO from the Vista disk and run it without the operating system but it refuses to load up WME9. Looks like im gonna have to go with Quad Core :( (great more money) Oh and with regards to your comment to Jaienwood about the CBR what would the best settings be for the transcode I am doing?

[Sephiroth0000]

Sure. This is what happens when I use the GUI. If I don't use the GUI, it quits after "Remove Dialog Normalization".


Do you have the Nero HD DVD BluRay Plugin?

[velvetmidget]

Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz
2GB Ram
500GB HDD
8800 GTS Video Card

For Transformers it took about 20Hrs to encode.....:eek:

Superhero or anyone-
I have spent 40+ hours learning and working on hddvd to wmv.

Could you please tell me what your graphedit looked like for transformers. I have been trying transformers, 300, and king kong with no success. I have been following Olivierdb's guide and Sephiroth000's guide. Using both to walk me through this process has not yielded any results. I think I am missing a codec or something and I am not sure how to narrow it down.
I have got some audio to work but no video.

When I try to play my videoOnly.avs the error reads "graph must have one pin that will output rgb24, rgb32, YUV ...."

I have removed the render filter from the end of my graph but that does not change the error.

Thanks for your help.
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[superhero6]

Superhero or anyone-
I have spent 40+ hours learning and working on hddvd to wmv.

Could you please tell me what your graphedit looked like for transformers. I have been trying transformers, 300, and king kong with no success. I have been following Olivierdb's guide and Sephiroth000's guide. Using both to walk me through this process has not yielded any results. I think I am missing a codec or something and I am not sure how to narrow it down.
I have got some audio to work but no video.

When I try to play my videoOnly.avs the error reads "graph must have one pin that will output rgb24, rgb32, YUV ...."

I have removed the render filter from the end of my graph but that does not change the error.

Thanks for your help.

I went back and redid Transformers and this time I used DGAVCIndex on the demuxed .264 video stream from the .evo file. DGAVCIndex is AVC frameserver for avisynth it works like DGIndex for Mpeg2. I had to use delaycut on the audio to get it to sync up correctly. I think I used -83ms delay which I got from Evodemux. I hope this answers your questions. Let me know if I can be of further help. :cool:

[saint-francis]

I did transformers with DGAVCDecode and with a graph of haali media splitter -> ffdshow and both worked perfectly. I didn't have to go through any other different than usual processes to make it work.

[Sephiroth0000]

Superhero or anyone-
I have spent 40+ hours learning and working on hddvd to wmv.

Could you please tell me what your graphedit looked like for transformers. I have been trying transformers, 300, and king kong with no success. I have been following Olivierdb's guide and Sephiroth000's guide. Using both to walk me through this process has not yielded any results. I think I am missing a codec or something and I am not sure how to narrow it down.
I have got some audio to work but no video.

When I try to play my videoOnly.avs the error reads "graph must have one pin that will output rgb24, rgb32, YUV ...."

I have removed the render filter from the end of my graph but that does not change the error.



Thanks for your help.
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Transforers has given me some funky results also. The audio I have sorted out without any sync issues :) With regards to your video my friend it can only be something trival that has been overlooked. Did you DEMUX or REBUILD the video from EVODEMUX? With regards to the graph I use SONIC HD DEMUXER and then I use CYBERLINK H.264/AVC DECODER (Normally I use SONIC VIDEO DECODER instead of Cyberlink)but Superhero did bring to my attention how it can be buggy and leave you with random green blocks in the film so try it that way. Oh and did yoyu regisster all the AX. files yourself or did you register then with the REGISTER file that comes with it when you download Graphedit? If you did that may be one problem. Did you change the ALLOWALLRENDERS option for Sonic aswell? What operating system are you running also?

The more we share our inforamtion the faster we progress as a whole.

[new2doom]

Superhero or anyone-
I have spent 40+ hours learning and working on hddvd to wmv.

Could you please tell me what your graphedit looked like for transformers. I have been trying transformers, 300, and king kong with no success. I have been following Olivierdb's guide and Sephiroth000's guide. Using both to walk me through this process has not yielded any results. I think I am missing a codec or something and I am not sure how to narrow it down.
I have got some audio to work but no video.

When I try to play my videoOnly.avs the error reads "graph must have one pin that will output rgb24, rgb32, YUV ...."

I have removed the render filter from the end of my graph but that does not change the error.

Thanks for your help.
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I have been having this very same issue. I have successfully transcoded several titles with avisynth without problem. Now I get this same message ("no compatible video pin") with every avs scrypt, both vc1 and avc source files. Making matters worse, the error occurs regardles of which decoder I use, Sonic, or cyberlink. I was totally puzzled when I tried my second computer and then my third, and all three have the same problem. The grf files play fine in directshow with the video renderer attached. When I disconnect the video renderer and try to play the avs file I get the message. I can use avisynth with grf file if I use gdavcdec instead of directshowsource. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling avisynth and every decoder or codec pack I could find. Nothing works. I am wondering if this could be related to any recent windows vista updates. I cannot think of any other system changes which would have been made on all three computers. (2 desktop 1 laptop). THings that were working fine are suddenly not working at all. Any thoughts would be helpful.

[Sephiroth0000]

I have been having this very same issue. I have successfully transcoded several titles with avisynth without problem. Now I get this same message ("no compatible video pin") with every avs scrypt, both vc1 and avc source files. Making matters worse, the error occurs regardles of which decoder I use, Sonic, or cyberlink. I was totally puzzled when I tried my second computer and then my third, and all three have the same problem. The grf files play fine in directshow with the video renderer attached. When I disconnect the video renderer and try to play the avs file I get the message. I can use avisynth with grf file if I use gdavcdec instead of directshowsource. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling avisynth and every decoder or codec pack I could find. Nothing works. I am wondering if this could be related to any recent windows vista updates. I cannot think of any other system changes which would have been made on all three computers. (2 desktop 1 laptop). THings that were working fine are suddenly not working at all. Any thoughts would be helpful.


First off... if you are running Windows Vista make sure that programs like GRAPHEDIT are running under RUN AS ADMINISTRATOR and do the same when installing AVIsynth
Second... What exactly are you putting in your Video Graphs? When I do a Video Graph I only use Cyberlink or Sonic... (EG)

SOURCE FILE ---- SONIC HD DEMUXER ---- SONIC VIDEO DECODER 4.3

or (sometimes get Green blocks and choppy video with Sonic Video Decoder)

SOURCE ---- SONIC HD DEMUXER ---- CYBERLINK H.264/AVC or CYBERLINK VC1 DECODER (sometimes I find I have to mess around with the graph depending on the file and what extension it was found under with EVODEMUX). There should be nothing else in your graph at all and should be saved as Video_Only.grf. Oh and do please note that you do have to change the ALLOWALLRENDERS from 0 to 1 with Sonic (Please Consult my guide for more and how to) I am not sure that will fix you problem but when I could not get Sonic to connect within GraphEdit that is what I did and it worked. Also if you could post the errors and what not that will be helpful :)

The more we share our information the faster we move along as a whole.

[new2doom]

Yes, the grf files are exactly the same as yours.

Source----->SOnic Demuxer------->SOnic 4.3 Decoder
I have also tried

Source----->Sonic Demuxer----->Cyberlink H264/AVC (or VC1)

With the video renderer attached in graphedit the files play perfectly with Activemovie. I then disconnect the video renderer, leaving the video out pin open, and save the grf file. WHen I play the avs script

Directshowsource("C:\Tools\video_only.grf", fps=23.976, audio=false, seekzero=false, seek=true, framecount=212121)

When I try to play the file the message says

Directshowsource: GRF file does not have a compatible open video pin, Graph must have 1 output pin the will bid RGB24, RGB32, ARGD, YUY2 or YV12

I get the same error in WMP and in Nero Showtime. It happens with all vc1 and avc, including high def SONY avcHD m2ts files from my camcorder. The only thing in common with the source files I have tried is that they are high def.

AS pointed out before, I had previously used avisynth to encode several files without problem. SUddenly, it won't work. ALso, AVS will work with non directshow sources, such as dgavcdec.

[Sephiroth0000]

Yes, the grf files are exactly the same as yours.

Source----->SOnic Demuxer------->SOnic 4.3 Decoder
I have also tried

Source----->Sonic Demuxer----->Cyberlink H264/AVC (or VC1)

With the video renderer attached in graphedit the files play perfectly with Activemovie. I then disconnect the video renderer, leaving the video out pin open, and save the grf file. WHen I play the avs script

Directshowsource("C:\Tools\video_only.grf", fps=23.976, audio=false, seekzero=false, seek=true, framecount=212121)

When I try to play the file the message says

Directshowsource: GRF file does not have a compatible open video pin, Graph must have 1 output pin the will bid RGB24, RGB32, ARGD, YUY2 or YV12

I get the same error in WMP and in Nero Showtime. It happens with all vc1 and avc, including high def SONY avcHD m2ts files from my camcorder. The only thing in common with the source files I have tried is that they are high def.

AS pointed out before, I had previously used avisynth to encode several files without problem. SUddenly, it won't work. ALso, AVS will work with non directshow sources, such as dgavcdec.


Have you changed the AllowAllRenders from 0 to 1?

[new2doom]

Yes I changed the allow all renderers option. But is that not related to only the sonic decoder? My problem occurs with Sonic or cyberlink. Also, if I allow graphedit to render the video pin, I end up with the windows decoder. When I play this graph the video is a jumbled mess of colored squares. Don't know if this is relevant, but at this point I am at a loss. Also, this is occurring on three different computers on my home network. All of which i have successfully used at some point to encode avs files. The only change that I can think of that has been implemented on all three (other than windows updates) is the installation of Windows Home Server Connector software. I really think this is a stretch, but I mention it because it is the only new addition to all three computers.

[superhero6]

Hmmm.... You might try reinstalling your sonic decoder pack so that it registers the .ax files again. I have never had this particular problem so I'm shooting in the dark. Have you tried DGAVCIndex? It works great on H.264 stuff. It might be a temporary fix for this particular problem.

[new2doom]

dgavcindex works. I have tried that for avc sources, but it doesn't help with vc1 sources. I have tried reinstalling sonic decoder without success. ALso reinstalled avisynth. I thought it might be related to an nvidia driver update, but that would only apply to two of my computers. the third is a laptop with an intel graphic chip, so I don't think that is the problem.

[superhero6]

dgavcindex works. I have tried that for avc sources, but it doesn't help with vc1 sources. I have tried reinstalling sonic decoder without success. ALso reinstalled avisynth. I thought it might be related to an nvidia driver update, but that would only apply to two of my computers. the third is a laptop with an intel graphic chip, so I don't think that is the problem.
You could try muxing the VC-1 Stream into a .mkv container with gdsmux (part of MKVtoolnix). Then referencing the .mkv in your avs script as your DirectShowSource. I have used this method before and had success with it. Good luck

[new2doom]

I uninstalled 4.3 sonic decoder, and manually removed all references in the registry. I tried to reinstall 4.3 and it failed! I then reinstalled 4.2 sonic decoder. Everything is now working. 4.3 version may be problematic or the clean reinstall fixed the problem. Thanks for the help.

[Sephiroth0000]

Glad you are sorted New2Doom :) Oh and for anyone attempting HD DVD to Playstation 3 I think I have found a means of doing it with no settings up or anything. It would seem that Nero can with a AVS file and load up the video from it when encoding to AVC. I hit abit of a snag with it last night but I am going to give it another go tonight. I will post my results

[The_Flash]

I've gotten my video and audio sorted out. Both play in Windows Media Player and load into VirtualDub when I open the .avs file.

However, when attempting to encode with Windows Media Encoder, the program just sits after I click "start encoding". Both the video and audio .avs files load fine, and I can configure and apply all the options...I just can't encode when I click the "start encoding" button. Any ideas?

(I also tried encoding with TMPG Xpress v4.0, and I received an error about 50% of the way through. The project seemed to be doing fine before that.)

[Sephiroth0000]

I've gotten my video and audio sorted out. Both play in Windows Media Player and load into VirtualDub when I open the .avs file.

However, when attempting to encode with Windows Media Encoder, the program just sits after I click "start encoding". Both the video and audio .avs files load fine, and I can configure and apply all the options...I just can't encode when I click the "start encoding" button. Any ideas?

(I also tried encoding with TMPG Xpress v4.0, and I received an error about 50% of the way through. The project seemed to be doing fine before that.)


I normally do it via creating a bat. file that contains the transcode. Because you have to install Alex Zambeli's program into the same folder as Windows Media Encoder. I never have a AVISynth for the audio though my friend.

[Sephiroth0000]

For anyone still attempting to convert HD DVD into a WMV just to let you all know I am now personally working on making it possible to have it both Playstation3 and Xbox360 compatiable playback and without the need for half of the programs needed now (GraphEdit, AviSynth, Sonic Decoder, EAC3TO, Alex Zambeli's WMCD but to name afew) I will keep everyone posted.

The more information we share the faster we move along as a whole.

[The_Flash]

I'll be interested in watching this thread and conversion topic as well. Especially as newer HD-DVD/Blu-Ray software tools are developed, and current ones are upgraded.

I'm currently still struggling. It seems as though every time I get one kink worked out, another surfaces. At this point, I'm thinking I'm going to completely reinstall all software and start from scratch. (On a side note, I did finally get Tranzcode to work after setting it for Win95 compatibility mode.)

Thanks to all who have contributed to the development thus far.

[simple]

sephiroth and others thanks for your dedication to this project.

flash give it a short while before you do a total reinstall you never know what is around the corner.
i have uninstalled all the apps myself and was thinking the same clean re-format and clean installs im even thinking of a new build (quad) by cutting the time of the process i could put more time in on the project.

tranzcode in windows 95 compatability what o/s are you using?

[ben_franklin]

Howabout this:

1. EVO Demux

2. VC12AVI ( VC-1 ES to AVI Multiplexer) http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=128943

3. convert ripped DVD AC3 to WMA (from DVD version of movie)

4. Mux with VirtualDub.

Wouldn't that be simpler?

[The_Flash]

tranzcode in windows 95 compatability what o/s are you using?

WinXP.

I also noticed that there is an option in Windows Media Encoder to load each individual .wav for the 5.1 sound encode, so if anyone is struggling with wavavimux the former may be a workaround.

I currently have an encode going with Windows Media Encoder. I used the Sonic 4.3 HD Demultiplexer with the Sonic DVD Decoder filters for my graph, then created the corresponding .avs file. I loaded this with my audio .avi into Windows Media Encoder and set a VBR that will allow me to burn the resulting file onto a DVD-9.

I just finished the first pass after about 24hrs, so about this time tomorrow I should have a finished file...sheesh! (I might try CBR when this is done and compare quality. Maybe the extra 24hrs won't be necessary if I find the quality to be acceptable.)

[Sephiroth0000]

Howabout this:

1. EVO Demux

2. VC12AVI ( VC-1 ES to AVI Multiplexer) http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=128943

3. convert ripped DVD AC3 to WMA (from DVD version of movie)

4. Mux with VirtualDub.

Wouldn't that be simpler?


For WMV yes I agree that would be simplier but I am trying to find a means of having a HD video both 360 and Playstation 3 compatiable. The Video I have nailed and successfully played back on PS3 and 360....its just the audio I am having problems with.....but I will not be beaten :devil:

If anyone can find a audio format that Nero Recode is prepared to accept then the problem is solved. I have attempted feeding the audio via an AVS file and it does load up with Nero Recode but when it comes to the encode the Graph fails to load properly making the encode unsuccessful. I am now looking into TMPGEnc as it has the option to mux both an audio and video stream together. The problem with this though is that it will not play ball with the video I give it but work with the audio (Sod's law I know). I mean either that or we just take the audio source from the original DVD version (which Nero Recode will accept and play with the HD video you load up) but that is not a route I am prepared to follow as it does not make it easier for people which is what I am trying to do. I mean thinking about it the HD DVD that have the DVD on the other side you could do it that way. If anyone wants to get involved with this please do message me and I'll give you the complete rundown on what I am doing. And once its been mastered I'll write up the guide and make it available to everyone :)

REMEMBER the more information we share the faster we move along as a whole

PS: If this is successful it will only be ANYDVD HD (or any other HD DVD ripping software), EVODEMUX and NERO with BLU-RAY HD DVD PLUGIN that will be needed instead of all these other programs (which is why I am adamant to make it work)

[Sephiroth0000]

WinXP.

I also noticed that there is an option in Windows Media Encoder to load each individual .wav for the 5.1 sound encode, so if anyone is struggling with wavavimux the former may be a workaround.

I currently have an encode going with Windows Media Encoder. I used the Sonic 4.3 HD Demultiplexer with the Sonic DVD Decoder filters for my graph, then created the corresponding .avs file. I loaded this with my audio .avi into Windows Media Encoder and set a VBR that will allow me to burn the resulting file onto a DVD-9.

I just finished the first pass after about 24hrs, so about this time tomorrow I should have a finished file...sheesh! (I might try CBR when this is done and compare quality. Maybe the extra 24hrs won't be necessary if I find the quality to be acceptable.)

If you are struggling with WAVAVIMUX its because its installed to the wrong folder (YOU MUST INSTALL it to the folder you are working from) which if you followed the guide would be the 'HD' folder in your C: drive.

[ByeByeBluRay]

PS: If this is successful it will only be ANYDVD HD (or any other HD DVD ripping software), EVODEMUX and NERO with BLU-RAY HD DVD PLUGIN that will be needed instead of all these other programs (which is why I am adamant to make it work)

Do you do anything to the output from EvoDemux? Whenever I copy the evo files from a disk using AnyDVD HD and then rebuild them with EvoDemux, I end up with a movie that has strange stutters for the first couple of minutes (it seems to jump forward a few frames and then pause while time catches up). It's only those first minutes though - the rest of the movie is always perfect.

If the files are extract from the disk using BackupHDDVD, I have no problems at all. Unfortunately I can't use that on the new MKB4 disks.

BBBR

[Sephiroth0000]

Do you do anything to the output from EvoDemux? Whenever I copy the evo files from a disk using AnyDVD HD and then rebuild them with EvoDemux, I end up with a movie that has strange stutters for the first couple of minutes (it seems to jump forward a few frames and then pause while time catches up). It's only those first minutes though - the rest of the movie is always perfect.

If the files are extract from the disk using BackupHDDVD, I have no problems at all. Unfortunately I can't use that on the new MKB4 disks.

BBBR

I do not REBUILD I always DEMUX. I have found that with REBUILDING its just putting the streams you ticked together as one and does not allow for file extension change and will automatically save itself as an EVO. I DEMUX to M2V (MPEG 2 Video Only) for the video (which does seem to have some problems with certain Giant Robot movie so in that case use M4V (MPEG 4 Video Only) which plays it back fine and even picks it up in Nero Recode for encoding to AVC video, AAC audio which is then packaged into an MP4 file which can be read by both the 360 and the PS3. Its the audio that is doing my fucking brain in!

[Sephiroth0000]

Just a heads up for everyone that what I am attempting with Nero Recode is not going to be possible unless I add a muxing program into it before the Recode to put the audio stream and video stream together.

[simple]

Just a heads up for everyone that what I am attempting with Nero Recode is not going to be possible unless I add a muxing program into it before the Recode to put the audio stream and video stream together.

do this still mean that you dont need 13 programs :eek: it may still be possible with three or four.

[Sephiroth0000]

My apologises to all for not being online recently but been unwell :( ... anyway down to business.

After abit of work I have found a means of getting the video and audio to MUX in TMPGEnc. Now I am doing this by the following means..

HD DVD RIPPER -- EVO DEMUX -- CREATE GRAPH for VIDEO -- CREATE AVS for VIDEO (then load up the AVS file in TMPGEnc) and for the audio I used exactly the same technique as I did for WMV HD which can be found in my guide further back on this thread). Now TMPGEnc will allow you to output to many different formats such as MPEG4, AVC, VOB, WMV, MOV, AVI, DIVX but to name afew and encoding times on it are quite good aswell.... BUT! yes unfortunately there is a but...once it is encoded I find the output file to be very pixelated and I believe this to be down to one or two things....the first being Sonic Cinemaster 4.3 (going to try 4.2 when I get my hands on it) or a setting that I have overlooked within TMPGEnc.

Now I did intend to cut the amount of programs and knowledge needed to have a video file that could be both PS3 and 360 compatiable but this is the only means I have found and does require the following software.

ANY DVD HD, EVO DEMUX, EAC3TO, GRAPHEDIT, AVISYNTH, WAVAVIMUX, TRANZCODE, NERO, NERO HD DVD BLURAY PLUGIN and TMPGENC = 10 programs in total. Hand on heart this is not what I wanted and I do not really feel I have made it any easier or straight forward. The only thing I can say is that it does not limit you on what file format you want to use as the OUTPUT. There are still afew kinks I need to work out but I am getting there.

If anyone wants to help or is prepared to test my new workaround please do let me know as the more help I get with this the sooner we can draw it to a close.

[bendurdunthat]

Had the same problems with Sonic Cinemaster 4.3-green pixelation in play-back etc. Uninstalled it totally & got 4.2.

What version of TMPGEnc are you using-Xpress 4?

What are you using in Graphedit as your file source etc. for your video-same as in your tutorial?

I've used Sonic 4.2 & I've been following your tutorial to a great extent but got off track after using WMCD & 55 hours later finished with video that I wasn't happy with. Trying it again with higher settings on an older XP machine-60 hours encode time.

Then I tried to create a video mkv file in Graphedit from my original evo-using Haley's splitter as file source...etc. to dump.mkv. For some unknown reason my rebuilt-merged evo file for King Kong had 22,946,192 kb-played perfectly when rendered through Graphedit to end of movie-3 hr. 8 min. But the mkv file created using Graphedit to dump.mkv produced a 22,595,831 kb file a 2hr. 11 min video I thought mkv was just a container-why did it cut out an hour of the movie. Obviously, I still don't know how to create a proper mkv file. Any suggestions to create mkv? But why bother when I'll likely have raw evodemuxed files?

Followed Bitwize suggestion (but his conversions are from mkv-not from a merged evo file) & then use Expression Encoder-used his settings at 720p resolution-which produced great video wmv but encoding ended at 2:11 min..It did stream perfectly to Xbox 360-of course, without audio.
My audio stream is just great using eac3to, tranzcode, wavimux etc. as you do-5.1 which plays perfectly through the receiver.

As I wasn't happy with the video & long encode time-decided to try Bitwize method to encode mkv throught Expression Encoder & then as he suggests to stream the video & audio using Windows Stream Editor. This method has apparently produced good results for Bitwize.

Using TMPGENC encodes both audio & video & would cut-out 1-step for me as Expression Encoder does not output 5.1 audio & I don't want 2 channel sound.

Thanks again for your tutorial-I would never have got this far without your detail as to loading the filters & codecs etc.
I know that TMPGENC Xpress 4-is used successfully frommkv on another forum site-I didn't want to spend the money until I determined it was worthwhile-sick of spending $ on programs that I don't use. Microsoft Expression Encoder produces great video-but I won't buy it once the trial is up because it doesn't do at least 5.1 audio!!

Picked my name 'bendurdunthat' after a month of trying to encode HD DVD to stream to an Xbox.
Anyway, I've learned alot.

Thanks for all your help! Have been following this thread for many weeks now.

bendurdunthat

[Sephiroth0000]

Had the same problems with Sonic Cinemaster 4.3-green pixelation in play-back etc. Uninstalled it totally & got 4.2.

What version of TMPGEnc are you using-Xpress 4?

What are you using in Graphedit as your file source etc. for your video-same as in your tutorial?

I've used Sonic 4.2 & I've been following your tutorial to a great extent but got off track after using WMCD & 55 hours later finished with video that I wasn't happy with. Trying it again with higher settings on an older XP machine-60 hours encode time.

Then I tried to create a video mkv file in Graphedit from my original evo-using Haley's splitter as file source...etc. to dump.mkv. For some unknown reason my rebuilt-merged evo file for King Kong had 22,946,192 kb-played perfectly when rendered through Graphedit to end of movie-3 hr. 8 min. But the mkv file created using Graphedit to dump.mkv produced a 22,595,831 kb file a 2hr. 11 min video I thought mkv was just a container-why did it cut out an hour of the movie. Obviously, I still don't know how to create a proper mkv file. Any suggestions to create mkv? But why bother when I'll likely have raw evodemuxed files?

Followed Bitwize suggestion (but his conversions are from mkv-not from a merged evo file) & then use Expression Encoder-used his settings at 720p resolution-which produced great video wmv but encoding ended at 2:11 min..It did stream perfectly to Xbox 360-of course, without audio.
My audio stream is just great using eac3to, tranzcode, wavimux etc. as you do-5.1 which plays perfectly through the receiver.

As I wasn't happy with the video & long encode time-decided to try Bitwize method to encode mkv throught Expression Encoder & then as he suggests to stream the video & audio using Windows Stream Editor. This method has apparently produced good results for Bitwize.

Using TMPGENC encodes both audio & video & would cut-out 1-step for me as Expression Encoder does not output 5.1 audio & I don't want 2 channel sound.

Thanks again for your tutorial-I would never have got this far without your detail as to loading the filters & codecs etc.
I know that TMPGENC Xpress 4-is used successfully frommkv on another forum site-I didn't want to spend the money until I determined it was worthwhile-sick of spending $ on programs that I don't use. Microsoft Expression Encoder produces great video-but I won't buy it once the trial is up because it doesn't do at least 5.1 audio!!

Picked my name 'bendurdunthat' after a month of trying to encode HD DVD to stream to an Xbox.
Anyway, I've learned alot.

Thanks for all your help! Have been following this thread for many weeks now.

bendurdunthat

Well hold on to your horses before you start paying for anything. I am currently making the video avs file save as AVI from virtualdub. Now if we can get our hands on a free AVI video and audio muxer then we cann load the the file into Nero Recode and do it that way giving us both a PS3 and 360 compatiable file :)

[bgbop15]

hey seph, anything i can do to help? I would love to turn my hd-dvds into 360/ps3 comp. files. just tell me what to do!

[Sephiroth0000]

I thought no one would ever offer :)

Right this is how we stand on the situation. We can make an WMV from a HD DVD with full 5.1 surround sound which works flawlessly on the 360 (my guide is available further back in this thread). Now I have been messing around with things like NERO RECODE, VIRTUALDUB, TMPGEnc and muxers to get a PS3 and 360 compatiable file but to no success. All im doing is ripping the HD DVD as usual and then demuxing it with either VC1, AVC or M4V extension (depends on the film) for the video and oblivously DDP for the audio (which I then convert to WAV with EACH3TO and then to 6 seperate WAV files with TRANZCODE and then into one AVI audio file with WAVAVIMUX) and then creating the corresponding graph and AVS files for both the video and the audio (which are seperate at first as you cannot have both audio and video in one AVS file at the same time. You have to join the two AVS files into another AVS) Now with the video I use the following filters for the Graph...

VIDEO_SOURCE --- SONIC HD DEMUXER --- CYBERLINK H.264/AVC VIDEO DECODER or SONIC CINEMASTER 4.3 VIDEO DECODER (the last filter depends and can vary from film to film)

With the audio we do the following Graph...

AUDIO_SOURCE --- AC3 FILTER

Now when I attempt playback with Nero Showtime they work perfectly and when I join both the audio and video AVS files into one it once agains works perfectly and it even lets me load into Nero Recode for encoding and it even does the first pass but on the second pass the graph for the audio appears to fail (I still cannot get down to the bottom of it) so NERO RECODE is out. If we could get NeroRecode to work then problem solved as it makes the output an MP4 file which is 360 and PS3 compatiable (had just the video which I can encode properly via Recode running on both systems and on PS3 a giant robot HD movie looks so much better). So with that option exhausted I moved on to TMPGEnc which does accept the audio without it being graphed or being an AVS file but when it accepts the video it saids the time frames do not match and it crashes (I did even try to load up the AVS file of the video with the correct FRAME RATE so the time would correct itself but it crashes) but I am going to try more with that tonight hopefully. My last attempt was last night with VIRTUALDUB and feeding it an AVS file that contained both the audio and video and saving the output into AVI which worked beautifully.... APART from the file size being 20GB with only 3 minutes worth of the film.

I also have some Nero Recode error logs which I will be making available for download later so people can see where it is we are going wrong.

[Sephiroth0000]

Another option I am looking for is a command prompt or GUI based AVC/AAC/MPEG encoder/transcoder which can accept AVS based files. That would conquer this problem also but only on the Playstation3 I fear.

[Sephiroth0000]

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/systemuse/xbox360/digitalmedia/videoplaybackfaq.htm

(Xbox 360 supported video formats)

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/742/742009p1.html

(Playstation 3 supported video formats)

The format they share in common is the H.264 and MPEG4. So that is the end result we want really.

[bgbop15]

i bought tmpgEnc 4.0 xpress and i have the big robot movie in hd-dvd format. I am a n00b with creating graphs and .avs files, but if you throw me code and pictures of graphs, i will be able to try whatever you suggest.

[Sephiroth0000]

i bought tmpgEnc 4.0 xpress and i have the big robot movie in hd-dvd format. I am a n00b with creating graphs and .avs files, but if you throw me code and pictures of graphs, i will be able to try whatever you suggest.


You're not a nob my friend...you're just not in the know which believe me everyone in this forum was the same at one point or another (including myself). What consoles do you own my friend and secondly what work have you done with HD DVD so far?

[tyee]

@Sephiroth0000

dezza9995 has just had success with Tmpgenc. Please read his post here and see if it can help --

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=129001&page=2

tyee

[Sephiroth0000]

@Sephiroth0000

dezza9995 has just had success with Tmpgenc. Please read his post here and see if it can help --

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=129001&page=2

tyee

If his post is what it suggests I am quite intrigued that it can be done so easily. I had no idea that TMPGEnc had EVO support. But I still abit took off by it because the EVO comes in two files and not one. Do you know if he REBUILT the EVO?

[bgbop15]

You're not a nob my friend...you're just not in the know which believe me everyone in this forum was the same at one point or another (including myself). What consoles do you own my friend and secondly what work have you done with HD DVD so far?

I own 360 and will be getting ps3 for xmas.

THe work I've done with HD-DVD is I bought the HD-DVD 360 attachment the day that the keys came online! I was so psyched for this lol. After about 3 months of trying to follow guides and failing miserably, I stopped. I just got like 2 terabytes of hard drive space and backed up all my hd-dvd and would hit play from hard disk in powerdvd. Since that is no longer an option with 3319f, here I am! I have also become an avid user of vista media center, so I would like to get my full 1080p movies playable in that. And please, nobody say the works "My Movies" to me.... that is a very sensitive subject.

So for the past couple week, I have been trying the newer updated guides, including yours, and naturally I would have to stop when this program or that program failed to install or register the decoders, etc.

When I cam across your post about an easier way to backup hd-dvds. well... here I am.

I have about 5 computers worthy of the encoding...

a 3.2ghz c2d, vista
a 3.0ghz c2d, xp
a 2.2ghz c2d, xp
a 2.5ghz amdX2, vista
a 2.2ghz amd64, mce2005

Oh, as I mentioned, I own TMPGenc express 4.0 and cyberlink powerdvd

Like I said, anything I can do to help, I will do.

[Sephiroth0000]

I own 360 and will be getting ps3 for xmas.

THe work I've done with HD-DVD is I bought the HD-DVD 360 attachment the day that the keys came online! I was so psyched for this lol. After about 3 months of trying to follow guides and failing miserably, I stopped. I just got like 2 terabytes of hard drive space and backed up all my hd-dvd and would hit play from hard disk in powerdvd. Since that is no longer an option with 3319f, here I am! I have also become an avid user of vista media center, so I would like to get my full 1080p movies playable in that. And please, nobody say the works "My Movies" to me.... that is a very sensitive subject.

So for the past couple week, I have been trying the newer updated guides, including yours, and naturally I would have to stop when this program or that program failed to install or register the decoders, etc.

When I cam across your post about an easier way to backup hd-dvds. well... here I am.

I have about 5 computers worthy of the encoding...

a 3.2ghz c2d, vista
a 3.0ghz c2d, xp
a 2.2ghz c2d, xp
a 2.5ghz amdX2, vista
a 2.2ghz amd64, mce2005

Oh, as I mentioned, I own TMPGenc express 4.0 and cyberlink powerdvd

Like I said, anything I can do to help, I will do.


To be honest with you my friend if it is true that the EVO can be loaded up via TMPGEnc then there really is no more work at all to do with regards to HD DVD as TMPGEnc gives you the means to output to pratically any format. I am going to look more into this EVO and TMPGEnc thing this evening and if it works I shall start writing up another guide covering all the steps. So have you actually been successful in creating a WMV HD with 5.1 surround sound from a HD DVD? If not what problems are you having? Oh and also if you are successful just download and install a program called MacDrive 7 which makes your HDD HFS+ partition which has no file limitation size and is completely read and accepted on the 360. So a much nicer easier way of watching your films without having to have a dozen things running :) I might now look into a means though of working up a guide on using FREEWARE tools only. What do you think?

[ben_franklin]

TMPG will NOT read EVO files.

TMPG will not mux (multiplex) VC1 files either. The mpeg tools it has only work with mpeg files.

[simple]

seph ... my 360 as died its going back to microsoft for mending , im also without a pc at the moment just using the missus laptop so my conversions have stopped .. but i will be back with a quad core machine soon so i will be happy to help where i can .... im always happy to help where i can;)

[Sephiroth0000]

seph ... my 360 as died its going back to microsoft for mending , im also without a pc at the moment just using the missus laptop so my conversions have stopped .. but i will be back with a quad core machine soon so i will be happy to help where i can .... im always happy to help where i can;)

No problems my friend. I did wonder where you had went! It looks like we may have a iss easy solution here Simple :)

[PREACHING]

Hi all, excuse my english, i italian

I use OlivierDB guide but i have a problem, The final video-audio are OK, very good quality, but the conversion go to end and no compare "Finish" or another message, and the video not have a time, is impossible go to end of video with the cursor of WMP or another player! i not understand.

My settings is:

Audio_Only.avs:
Directshowsource("C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Nuova cartella\Audio_Only.GRF",audio=true,video=false)

Video_Only.avs
Directshowsource("C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Nuova cartella\Video_Only.GRF",fps=23.976,framecount=192873,audio=false,seekzero=false,seek=true)

AudioAndVideo.avs:
video = import("C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Nuova cartella\Video_Only.avs")
audio = import("C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Nuova cartella\Audio_Only.avs")
AudioDub(video,audio)

Encode2WMVHD.bat:
cscript.exe "C:\Programmi\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "C:\Documents and settings\Desktop\Nuova cartella\AudioAndVideo.avs" -output "C:YourMovie.wmv" -v_codec WMV9 -v_mode 2 -v_bitrate 633439 -v_keydist 30 -v_buffer 10000 -v_quality 100

I have create files .grf same of OlivierDB Guide.

Where is my error???

Have you a Final Guide for Convert HD-DVD to WMV-HD???

Thanksss

[simple]

preaching try this http://rapidshare.com/files/66107349/EVO_to_WMV_HD_with_5.1.doc.html but i would also suggest you start from page 13 within this thread as this is where the guide originates from ....many posts and comments have been added :)

[PREACHING]

preaching try this http://rapidshare.com/files/66107349/EVO_to_WMV_HD_with_5.1.doc.html but i would also suggest you start from page 13 within this thread as this is where the guide originates from ....many posts and comments have been added :)

OK Thanks, but this guide is for audio 5.1, my audio is DD 2CH. If i use this guide , i need to change the settings of the guide?

[ben_franklin]

I am giving up for a while

EVO Demux
works 100% of the time with no anomalies

VC12AVI
works 100% of the time with no anomalies

Everything else is a pain in the ass that doesnt work half of the time. I am really tired of wasting my time.

I will re-visit this when somebody sells some decent tools....

[Sephiroth0000]

I am giving up for a while

EVO Demux
works 100% of the time with no anomalies

VC12AVI
works 100% of the time with no anomalies

Everything else is a pain in the ass that doesnt work half of the time. I am really tired of wasting my time.

I will re-visit this when somebody sells some decent tools....

Ben I do not know if this is of any help but this is my guide which does have pictures aswell and covers every step aswell as installation instructions for each individual program. We are more then welcome to help here and will address any problems you have. Everyone here is for the same thing my friend! DO NOT GIVE UP!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AAR38HD4

[dezza9995]

TMPG will NOT read EVO files.

TMPG will not mux (multiplex) VC1 files either. The mpeg tools it has only work with mpeg files.

It does m8, i have sucessfully used TMPGEnc to make 2 WMV movies using the EVO as the source file. You have to have a suitable decoder to open it, i used Sonic Cineplayer HD DVD decoder. Rebuild the evo file from HD DVD to contain only the 1 video and 1 audio source. Use FFMPEG to encode the EAC3 stream to AC3. Then open the rebuilt evo and the new ac3 file in TMPGEnc. Your system will hang opening the EVO file though if you have AC3Filter istalled, the EAC3 file is not compatible with TMPGEnc and causes the problem but is not needed to encode the audio to WMV anyway.

[bgbop15]

It does m8, i have sucessfully used TMPGEnc to make 2 WMV movies using the EVO as the source file. You have to have a suitable decoder to open it, i used Sonic Cineplayer HD DVD decoder. Rebuild the evo file from HD DVD to contain only the 1 video and 1 audio source. Use FFMPEG to encode the EAC3 stream to AC3. Then open the rebuilt evo and the new ac3 file in TMPGEnc. Your system will hang opening the EVO file though if you have AC3Filter istalled, the EAC3 file is not compatible with TMPGEnc and causes the problem but is not needed to encode the audio to WMV anyway.

DO you have haali media splitter installed?

I have gotten tmpgenc to open the evo, but it keeps crashing before I get to the output phase. I am rebuilding the evo with video only, see if i can encode that alone, then ill do the audio after. ill report back!

[dezza9995]

No you do not have to have haali splitter installed. The audio stream within the EVO does cause problems with TMPEnc, i had to remove the AC3Filter completley to get it to work. Have you replaceed the audio in TMPEnc with the FFMPEG created ac3? Also are you using version 4.2 of the Cineplayer Decoder? Thats the one i got.

I put this word document together which shows what i done, its rough mind!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9AP1UQYR

[dezza9995]

Also, when rebuilding the EVO are you un-ticking the subs too? I dont know if this could cause probs but i didnt tick em, just 1 audio and 1 video.

[bgbop15]

subs are unticked. i also have not converted the audio and only have video ticked in this new evo. Finally got tmpgenc to the encoding stage this way. I did 2-pass cbr on last samurai, and calculated the kbps to be a little over 21000... i am trying for NO compression, I just want the ease of use of wmv-hd. So, in 9 more hours, ill have a wmv with no audio. want would be the best way to get the audio in with the video? With NO compression of the audio track would be nice.

[Sephiroth0000]

I am very eager to try this new method but where I have sought so many other means and not looked after my setup properly I am getting errors all over the place so I am going to go and restart my entire system and then retry it all.

[bgbop15]

heres a n00b one for ya seph. trying to convert my demuxed audio track with extension .eac3 to an ac3 file.

eac3to is saying nero audio decoder 2 instance failed... what nero should i have installed?


edit: installed nero 7.8.5.0, now i get removing dialog normalization... decoding with directshow (nero)...disabling DRC for Nero Eac3 decoding... takes about 1 minute, then nothing...

[Sephiroth0000]

heres a n00b one for ya seph. trying to convert my demuxed audio track with extension .eac3 to an ac3 file.

eac3to is saying nero audio decoder 2 instance failed... what nero should i have installed?

DO NOT use Nero 8 as this can lead to failure and secondly you will need the Blu-Ray HD DVD Plugin serial for Nero also. Personally I use Nero 7.10.0.1 (I know its an older version but it seems bug free and does what I want)

[tyee]

I thought we use ffmpeg for getting ac3 from eac3! I tried using ffmpeg on the main evo stream and kept getting errors something about noise and not being supported. I then cancelled the process and played the ac3 back and heard noise in the left channel! Did I do something wrong?

I used this command line --- ffmpeg -i FEATURE_1.EVO -vn -acodec ac3 -ab 448k -map 0:3 -ac 6 audio.ac3

[Sephiroth0000]

Right I have not followed this new method done by Dezza but if all you lot want is a 5.1 ac3 audio file then follow these prompts

DEMUX audio stream with a DDP extension --- load up EACH3TO or the GUI (bear in mind you need EAC3TO files to use the GUI) and then load up the DDP file and then change the output to AC3. I can not see the difference from taking the audio from the EVO and doing it this way either. It should give you the same file in the end.

[dezza9995]

I agree, the audio doesnt have to be jsut decoded from the evo. it was the method in the guide i first tried and i just stuck with it. Also, ffmpeg is apparently buggy with EAC3 streams but the errors it kicks out do not appear to have caused any problems for me so far.

[bgbop15]

they caused me to have some serious noise in my last samurai mkv... i have to rethink my audio encoding...

[Sephiroth0000]

they caused me to have some serious noise in my last samurai mkv... i have to rethink my audio encoding...

Working on a fool proof method now....should report soon hopefully.

[Sephiroth0000]

How can we create our own thread?

[tyee]

@dezza9995

Can you give a link to the version of ffmpeg your using for audio. Maybe your version is ok, I'd like to try it. Thanks

[dezza9995]

here you go, its compressed wwith 7zip though not winrar.

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/misc/ffmpeg_eac3_mlp_r11045.7z

[tyee]

@dezza9995

Thanks, I'll give it a try!

Tony

[Sephiroth0000]

Will be putting it all to practive myself tonight lads. Oh and for those who may of read my earlier post about using the audio seperately DO NOT as it does not macth and has some serious sync issues. Rip the audio from the REBUILT EVO as stated by Dezza in the first place :)

[Sephiroth0000]

Oh and Dezza does this FFMPEG have to be anywhere in particular on your system or does it need to be with any other files or anything my friend?

[dezza9995]

Nope, i just got the FFMpeg executable in the same folder as the rebuilt evo to make it easier to imput the dos command.

[ben_franklin]

MAJOR CHANGE OF PLANS
New PS3 firmware now supports VC-1 (WMV)

You can now just make WMV files!!!! :)

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/12/17/ps3-firmware-version-2-10-coming-tomorrow-includes-divx-suppor/

[tyee]

Ahh, yes, been waiting for this. But there are questions until tomorrow --

Will we be able to use tsremux like we do now for BR AVC encodes, by loading in the m2ts from the BR disc and remuxing, then split to <4GB, then copy and play from an external USB HDD via XMB with no problems? Hopefully, yes! and hopefully from a burnt DVD also!
And will it support 5.1 ac3??


Another general question to all. Probably all of you prefer either WMV9 (VC1) or AVC (H.264) to encode to for backups, but now with divx support also in this update will anyone be changing? I recently found out that divx is about 3 times as fast encoding than h.264. I only have an older P4, 2.8GHz machine. For me encodes must not be longer than overnight or I won't do it, I'll just use the original for backup, just remuxed. That clip I tried was 1.5 hr. long, taking 21 hrs using h.264, but only 7 hrs using divx (TMPGEnc).

Comments??

[acribb]

Fishrider thankyou for the input and I have done as you suggested and you are correct with them filters not registering or working. So I created my own bat. extension for the filters and got them installed and registered so thankyou for that :) . But with Graphedit I load my demuxed EVO file and connect it to Sonic HD Demuxer but when I try to go from that to the Sonic Cinemaster Video Decoder 4.2 it cannot agree on a connection. Can anyone help!? I installed the DTSAC3source thing, dump.ax and all the filters from Graphedit and oblivously I have Sonic Cinemaster 4.2 installed aswell. Where am I going wrong?

Seph or anyone -

Coming back to this after a 3 month break or so..

Do you know of the fix for this problem? I have installed everything (I think) and am getting the same cannot agree on a connection error when going from Sonic HD Demuxer to Sonic Cinemaster Video Decoder 4.2....

I'd love to be able to get this working. I just succesfully muxed a pure VC1 stream and transcoded DDP audio to wma into a wmv and streamed it (all 23.5 mbps of it) to the Xbox 360 dashboard. I was actually amazed at how well it played considering. It only glitched and froze up about 15 times throughout the whole movie.

Now I have the wma audio down no problem, i'm just trying to get the video working.

[acribb]

Seph or anyone -

Coming back to this after a 3 month break or so..

Do you know of the fix for this problem? I have installed everything (I think) and am getting the same cannot agree on a connection error when going from Sonic HD Demuxer to Sonic Cinemaster Video Decoder 4.2....

I'd love to be able to get this working. I just succesfully muxed a pure VC1 stream and transcoded DDP audio to wma into a wmv and streamed it (all 23.5 mbps of it) to the Xbox 360 dashboard. I was actually amazed at how well it played considering. It only glitched and froze up about 15 times throughout the whole movie.

Now I have the wma audio down no problem, i'm just trying to get the video working.

Nevermind.

I believe that some of the Sonic filters that were installed with Roxio were causing some issues. I uninstalled Roxio and uninstalled Sonic Cineplayer 4.2 and then reinstalled Sonic Cineplayer 4.3 and all works well now.

Thanks.

[ozzy]

Hi dezza9995,

I like your method, it's much more simpler than all the other methods.
But I have tried it since 2 weeks without success, now i am stuck.

I have completly reinstalled my computer with Vista 32bits, and re-installed Sonic CinePlayer HD DVD Decoder 4.2 and TMPGEnc Xpress 4.4.0.234

the VC1 SDK and Windows Media Encoder are installed as well.

with this config, after the rebuild of the evo and the extraction of the audio, I load the evo in Tmpgenc and change the settings progressive, framerate 23.976 etc..
But when I accept these settings, TMPGenc crash ! :mad:

If I install Sonic CinePlayer HD DVD Decoder 4.3, I can pass the previous step but TMPGenc crash when I start to encode... :mad:

What's wrong with me :confused::confused::confused:

:thanks:

[ozzy]

I know that my problem is probably located between the chair and the keyboard... :):)
but any help would be very appreciated

Thanks

[beameup]

Hi dezza9995,
with this config, after the rebuild of the evo and the extraction of the audio, I load the evo in Tmpgenc and change the settings progressive, framerate 23.976 etc..
But when I accept these settings, TMPGenc crash ! :mad:


TMPGEnc crashes all of the time on me ... at different steps. If I keep adding the file and trying again, it usually will work after multiple attempts of the exact same steps. I have found in some cases that a clean reboot of the machine is needed, and then a new attempt will work.

[gurthang117]

Hi all, great thread! Special thanks to Seph for creating such a great guide for encoding evo to wmvs. You rock!

I used a slightly different command because tranzcode had issues with the input being labelled "output"
Also, libav seemed to work with TrueHD tracks.

eac3to.exe "C:\HD\Audio_Source.ddp" "C:\HD\sound.wav" -640 -libav
tranzcode.exe "C:\HD\sound.wav"
wavavimux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 sound-FL.wav sound-FR.wav sound-C.wav sound-LFE.wav sound-SL.wav sound-SR.wav -mask 63
cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "C:\HD\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "C:\HD\audio.avi" -output "C:\HD\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16
>output.txt

I have managed to backup two movies so far that were VC-1,
though I am having a bit of a problem with that big robot movie.

The graph that I'm using for the big robot movie is:

VIDEO_SOURCE --- SONIC HD DEMUXER --- CYBERLINK H.264/AVC VIDEO DECODER


And I either get one of two messages:

"encoder failed to retrieve source duration"
(the alternative method then fails as well and it encodes about 2mins of the movie and crashes)

Or

Source duration retrieved: 8607.279 seconds.

Encoder error: 0xC00D002E
Error occurred in transcoding: Error Code = 0xC00D002E
(after which it crashes instantly)

Help please!

[Sephiroth0000]

Hi all, great thread! Special thanks to Seph for creating such a great guide for encoding evo to wmvs. You rock!

I used a slightly different command because tranzcode had issues with the input being labelled "output"
Also, libav seemed to work with TrueHD tracks.

eac3to.exe "C:\HD\Audio_Source.ddp" "C:\HD\sound.wav" -640 -libav
tranzcode.exe "C:\HD\sound.wav"
wavavimux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 sound-FL.wav sound-FR.wav sound-C.wav sound-LFE.wav sound-SL.wav sound-SR.wav -mask 63
cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "C:\HD\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "C:\HD\audio.avi" -output "C:\HD\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16
>output.txt

I have managed to backup two movies so far that were VC-1,
though I am having a bit of a problem with that big robot movie.

The graph that I'm using for the big robot movie is:

VIDEO_SOURCE --- SONIC HD DEMUXER --- CYBERLINK H.264/AVC VIDEO DECODER


And I either get one of two messages:

"encoder failed to retrieve source duration"
(the alternative method then fails as well and it encodes about 2mins of the movie and crashes)

Or

Source duration retrieved: 8607.279 seconds.

Encoder error: 0xC00D002E
Error occurred in transcoding: Error Code = 0xC00D002E
(after which it crashes instantly)

Help please!

Well the source duration is correct because in hours that source duration is 2hours 23minutes (length of big robot movie) Although with regards to the error im not too sure. What version of Sonic are you using? Have you updated EAC3TO, Tranzcode and what not to the latest version?

[gurthang117]

I'm using sonic hd decoder 4.3. I'm quite sure I've got the latest versions as I only just started attempting this process this week.
It does encode the whole movie when I use
VIDEO_SOURCE --- SONIC HD DEMUXER ---SONIC CINEMASTER 4.3 VIDEO DECODER
but I get those green blocks in the playback

[Sephiroth0000]

I'm using sonic hd decoder 4.3. I'm quite sure I've got the latest versions as I only just started attempting this process this week.
It does encode the whole movie when I use
VIDEO_SOURCE --- SONIC HD DEMUXER ---SONIC CINEMASTER 4.3 VIDEO DECODER
but I get those green blocks in the playback


That's because Sonic is prone to being buggy (especially 4.3) but changing the ALLOWALLRENDERS from 0 to 1 can help but still cause problems. Use CYBERLINK AVC/H.264 instead of the SONIC 4.3 VIDEO DECODER. Also take into account what codecs you have installed as it may be causing problems. Not too sure why this is happening but I am looking into it now.

[Sephiroth0000]

Messingg around with the Big Robot movie now funny enough. Please bare in mind that a -84ms is needed for the audio to be in sync!

[gurthang117]

Yeah I changed the ALLOWALLRENDERS thingie. It only crashes when I use CYBERLINK AVC/H.264.
Do you know of a particular codec I need for CYBERLINK AVC/H.264 to work?
How do you create a -84ms delay?

[Sephiroth0000]

Yeah I changed the ALLOWALLRENDERS thingie. It only crashes when I use CYBERLINK AVC/H.264.
Do you know of a particular codec I need for CYBERLINK AVC/H.264 to work?
How do you create a -84ms delay?

Apply the delay in EAC3TO. If you use the GUI then just apply it as nesscary and if in command prompt write -84ms after you have put in the text for the input and output file.

EDIT: Also update the Cyberlink software and if nesscary uninstall and then reinstall. What operating system are you using aswell please? What codecs do you have installed aswell? The only codec package I have installed is VISTA CODECS

[gurthang117]

Apply the delay in EAC3TO. If you use the GUI then just apply it as nesscary and if in command prompt write -84ms after you have put in the text for the input and output file.

EDIT: Also update the Cyberlink software and if nesscary uninstall and then reinstall. What operating system are you using aswell please? What codecs do you have installed aswell? The only codec package I have installed is VISTA CODECS

Ive got PowerDVD 7. That has all the necessary codecs and whatnot right? Tried uninstalling/reinstalling it - same error.
I'm running XP Pro.
I'm not sure what codecs I've got, I've installed so many over the years! :P I think I've installed K-Lite Codec Pack and XP pack, but I'll update them anyway, it been a while haha

[gurthang117]

...Nah updated to the latest K-Lite Codec full pack and still no luck, same error message

[Sephiroth0000]

...Nah updated to the latest K-Lite Codec full pack and still no luck, same error message


Hmm not too sure what to say mate to be honest. I know its a pain but it may be a point of formatting the system and restarting. That's the only other thing I do if I cannot work out the error.

[gurthang117]

Hmm not too sure what to say mate to be honest. I know its a pain but it may be a point of formatting the system and restarting. That's the only other thing I do if I cannot work out the error.

Reformatting is a bit extreme for me haha! I'll just hold on and mull on it for a while in case there was something I missed. I've a feeling it's going to be a simple fix that I'll kick myself for not realizing! Plenty of other movies to get on with encoding anyway...

Thanks for your help though, Seph. Cheers!

[gurthang117]

Another question: is there any way to restart the encoding process from part-way through? My computer crashed!

[Sephiroth0000]

Another question: is there any way to restart the encoding process from part-way through? My computer crashed!

Not that I know of im afraid.

[gurthang117]

Hi all, great thread! Special thanks to Seph for creating such a great guide for encoding evo to wmvs. You rock!

I used a slightly different command because tranzcode had issues with the input being labelled "output"
Also, libav seemed to work with TrueHD tracks.

eac3to.exe "C:\HD\Audio_Source.ddp" "C:\HD\sound.wav" -640 -libav
tranzcode.exe "C:\HD\sound.wav"
wavavimux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 sound-FL.wav sound-FR.wav sound-C.wav sound-LFE.wav sound-SL.wav sound-SR.wav -mask 63
cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "C:\HD\Video_Only.avs" -a_input "C:\HD\audio.avi" -output "C:\HD\output.wmv" -v_bframedist 1 -v_bdeltaqp 1 -v_mslevel 1 -v_codec wvc1 -v_keydist 3 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 96 -v_mmatch 0 -v_msrange 0 -v_performance 20 -v_loopfilter 1 -a_codec wmapro -a_setting 384_48_6_16
>output.txt

I have managed to backup two movies so far that were VC-1,
though I am having a bit of a problem with that big robot movie.

The graph that I'm using for the big robot movie is:

VIDEO_SOURCE --- SONIC HD DEMUXER --- CYBERLINK H.264/AVC VIDEO DECODER


And I either get one of two messages:

"encoder failed to retrieve source duration"
(the alternative method then fails as well and it encodes about 2mins of the movie and crashes)

Or

Source duration retrieved: 8607.279 seconds.

Encoder error: 0xC00D002E
Error occurred in transcoding: Error Code = 0xC00D002E
(after which it crashes instantly)

Help please!


Well I discovered my error, I knew it would be something stupidly simple I'd overlooked! Haha
Turns out I was demuxing the EVOs as H.264 but I needed to leave out the point, so it reads H264

The big robot movie is now happily encoding away without any errors or green blocks in the video, happy days!

[Sephiroth0000]

Well I discovered my error, I knew it would be something stupidly simple I'd overlooked! Haha
Turns out I was demuxing the EVOs as H.264 but I needed to leave out the point, so it reads H264

The big robot movie is now happily encoding away without any errors or green blocks in the video, happy days!

Nice one brother !

[gurthang117]

Seph, do you know of any other movies that need a delay on the audio to be in sync?

[Sephiroth0000]

Seph, do you know of any other movies that need a delay on the audio to be in sync?

EAC3TO normally applies the delay for you so just bear in mind what EAC3TO applies should you have to run it via time delays or sync issues.

[Heidemann]

Well I finally finished reading through all the pages and there is a lot of great information. So I wanted to test Sephs guide on 300. I used the first stream which I guess is 1080P.

The encoding time was estimated at 49 hrs but at 41 hrs into the encoding I received a memory error and the encoding quit. The resulting WMV still plays and I can skip around the timeline without issue and it seems to have encoded the whole movie. The issue is that on some computers including my xbox the movie gets very choppy. Is this due to the encoding not finishing or something else?

My second question is how do I resize the movie to 720P since that is all my tv supports? I saw how you can use avsynth but I am not sure what the script would look like.

[Sephiroth0000]

Well I finally finished reading through all the pages and there is a lot of great information. So I wanted to test Sephs guide on 300. I used the first stream which I guess is 1080P.

The encoding time was estimated at 49 hrs but at 41 hrs into the encoding I received a memory error and the encoding quit. The resulting WMV still plays and I can skip around the timeline without issue and it seems to have encoded the whole movie. The issue is that on some computers including my xbox the movie gets very choppy. Is this due to the encoding not finishing or something else?

My second question is how do I resize the movie to 720P since that is all my tv supports? I saw how you can use avsynth but I am not sure what the script would look like.

Right if the file is choppy it is because the encode did not finish off properly or something may be conflicting software wise which you should check in on. With regards to making it 720P DO THE FOLLOWING UNDER your AVS. video script after you state the frame rate and what not...

Simple36Resize (1280,720)

Im sure that is all you put to downsize it which is also going to cut down the encode time.

[foxyshadis]

Actually, Spline36Resize(1280,int((height*2/3)/4)*4)

It's a big mess but all it does is keep the original aspect ratio if it isn't exactly 1920x1080 after cropping. Alternately you can crop after the resize.

You can run the wmv through asftools to reindex it, which may fix the choppiness if that's the problem. If not, it may simply be encoded with too high a bitrate.

[Ytterbium]

I've been trying to follow this guide and some other infomation around doom9, I was trying to use the following settings

C:\Windows\SysWOW64\cscript.exe "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Components\Encoder\WMCmd.vbs" -input "Video.avs" -output "Video.wmv" -
v_codec WVC1 -videoonly -v_mode 4 -v_bitrate 8000000 -v_peakbitrate 12000000 -v_keydist 30 -v_preset better

However the -v_msrange setting causes the video to corrupted, I'm keep to keep the settings as they should give good quality output any idea?