raw vc-1 streams into wmv container

[pyrates]

Is there a way to put a raw vc-1 stream from the evo demuxer program to put into a wmv container? I know then I can use a avisynth script to encode that from, although not easily since I gotta assume a framerate, etc.

[Hwindu]

I’m trying to build a graph: vc-1 -> Elecard MPEG Demultiplexer -> Windows Media Multiplexer, but the decoder is getting in the middle. the other muxers don’t work.

[noclip]

I would be very interested in getting this to work. The ability to play back HD DVD content on nearly any Windows computer without the need for a re-encode would be really nice.

[madshi]

Why don't you mux into MKV instead? That should work on every Windows computer that is fast enough and which has the Haali Media Splitter and WMP11 installed.

[noclip]

Why don't you mux into MKV instead? That should work on every Windows computer that is fast enough and which has the Haali Media Splitter and WMP11 installed.

That's quite a lofty requirement for the average computer. If I want to use a public terminal or even someone else's computer, MKV will very likely be out of reach.

[Hwindu]

Okay, I managed to put the VC-1 into the WMV container without any problem. I used the method mentioned here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=962105#post962105 to mux the VC-1 to mkv and then I used the following graph: FEATURE.MKV -> ‘SolveigMM ASF Multiplexer’ and it worked like charm.

I did encounter problems with the audio however, I did not find a way to mux the DD+ into the WMV, but there are plenty of other ways to transcode the audio into ac-3 or WMA

[kornesque]

finally found the right thread! i tried muxing a .wav and .avi, both of which are fine alone. solveig produced a file with no complaints (the file finished building before the progress bar reached the end tho), but mediainfo says the audio portion of the .wmv uses "fffe" codec, when the .wav file by itself says "extensible". has anybody else had solveig jack up the audio properties?

[lineman]

Okay, I managed to put the VC-1 into the WMV container without any problem. I used the method mentioned here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=962105#post962105 to mux the VC-1 to mkv and then I used the following graph: FEATURE.MKV -> ‘SolveigMM ASF Multiplexer’ and it worked like charm.

I did encounter problems with the audio however, I did not find a way to mux the DD+ into the WMV, but there are plenty of other ways to transcode the audio into ac-3 or WMA

I have been able to mux an AC-3 audio file "that I made from the DD+" and a mkv file containing a VC-1 file using your method with the addition of a ac3/dts source filter. The resulting file I find plays perfectly in VLC, but I was hoping that I would be able to stream this file to my Xbox360 but I get an error saying that the file is to high a bitrate therefore the Xbox360 will not play the file. I am hoping to find a way to either burn the file to DVD-DL and play it on the Xbox HD-DVD player add-on. Thanks for the tip...

[anrque]

I was hoping that I would be able to stream this file to my Xbox360 but I get an error saying that the file is to high a bitrate therefore the Xbox360 will not play the file.

Are you trying to stream to your Xbox360 wirelessly? When you run the set up on your PC for the Xbox it runs a network speed test. If you are wireless it may NOT pass the test for HD bandwidth video. Try hooking up wired and run the speed test again and see if you can stream HD after that. VC-1 files that originate from these new optical disks shouldn't be over 30mb/s and the Xbox360 should handle that fine, especially since you can buy an HD-DVD drive for it in the first place. Let me know if it works.

[lineman]

Are you trying to stream to your Xbox360 wirelessly?

I have the Xbox360 wired only, I dont use wireless. I am able to play highbitrate Mpeg2 files without any problems so I assume the problem relates to the bitrate of the .wmv file. Possibly a header "crack" may fix the problem. I will keep trying....I think will try a usb drive and or Tversity server

[kornesque]

http://rapidshare.com/files/20223908/maybe.wmv.html

the menuloop from Doom

i finally nailed it. the audio sucks, but i was only looking for basic sound to start with. the bitrate is a little lower than it should be, i don't know why yet, but i'm sure it's fixable, and there was no transcoding involved. guide to follow shortly...

[SeeMoreDigital]

Have you tried this from stegre: -

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=965517#post965517


Cheers

[kornesque]

wow, that's an interesting thread. too bad there hasn't been quite as much progress going the other direction, vc-1>wmv. the principles mentioned in that thread are useful for just about any ES manipulation, so i'll certainly bookmark it. thanks SMD.

[lineman]

http://rapidshare.com/files/20223908/maybe.wmv.html

the menuloop from Doom

i finally nailed it. the audio sucks, but i was only looking for basic sound to start with. the bitrate is a little lower than it should be, i don't know why yet, but i'm sure it's fixable, and there was no transcoding involved. guide to follow shortly...

I tried it on my XBox360 and its working....CONGRATS

[kornesque]

basically, the 360 seems to want only wma2 for it's audio. use windows media encoder to convert a .wav to wma, then use stream editor to mux the 2 "audiences" together. thanks lineman, hope everyone here gets it going. now that the baby steps are learned, we have to tackle a full length feature. plz post if you get to this milestone.

p.s. - i just tried the full length gig, and the audio/video were WAY off. be sure these are correct before running thru the whole gauntlet of audio encoding so you don't waste 2 hours like myself. ;->

[lineman]

basically, the 360 seems to want only wma2 for it's audio. use windows media encoder to convert a .wav to wma, then use stream editor to mux the 2 "audiences" together. thanks lineman, hope everyone here gets it going. now that the baby steps are learned, we have to tackle a full length feature. plz post if you get to this milestone.

p.s. - i just tried the full length gig, and the audio/video were WAY off. be sure these are correct before running thru the whole gauntlet of audio encoding so you don't waste 2 hours like myself. ;->

Well I tried Tversity server tonight and I had again limited success. I was able to play a 20Mbit VC-1 file but I would lose the audio. I just seems that the bitrate may be a little to much for streaming yet one would think I has enough power. Oh well back to muxing around:)

[kornesque]

were you transoding the .evo?

[lineman]

were you transoding the .evo?

No I wasnt transcoding it .....I was streaming the original evo.

[kornesque]

gotcha. well, i've a question for everyone: what's the biggest wmv anybody's gotten to play, on ANYTHING? i made the feature evo into a wmv, but wmp won't play it, and it crashes the 360. everything i try to play it on just bogs down the cpu and stalls. it's 11GB and is 13mbps. anyone have any ideas? thanks.

[twan69666]

So I as well have my full length video working. My only problem (besides the audio) is that the video works ok for a few minutes, studders a few times, and then freezes although the timer keeps running. My video only wmv is about 16 gb's and is 17mb/sec. Anyone else having any luck? Great thread btw too!

[kornesque]

twan, no kidding! well at least yours starts to play. i have a smaller file and it won't play at all. how does your wmv play on a local media player? congrats!

[twan69666]

the file plays pretty well on my cpu. I can jump all around it and it always picks up. Just playback isnt 100% smooth, but thats a hardware issue. Stupid 3 yr old cpu/video card

[kornesque]

well twan, it seems the story doesn't get any happier. my full length video/audio wmv does just what yours is doing, only it takes about 10sec before it occurs. curiously, seeking seems to continue working fine. if i fast forward x2, the movie does just that. hit play and i'm looking at a high resolution screenshot.

we've got to find the media playback capabilities of the 360 over wired network. maybe it can only handle lower bitrate wmvs. if you look at the "high def" video showcase MS has, you'll notice the 1080p (1440x1080...bah) videos have bitrates of say, 8MBPS. here we are trying to push 17mbps files at the 360. watching network load in TM, i see an average of 19% load on my 100mbps link while the video's "playing". the data's getting dumped there, that's undeniable, and with very low overhead too.

but this must be do-able. the drive plays them just fine - i'll look into the capabilities of this beast and tell y'all what i find.

p.s. - i don't know if it's due to the lower filesize (~100MB) or lower bitrate (~11mbps), but the menu.evo video/audio play just fine in a wmv container.

[twan69666]

I decided to post a message on the xbox forums asking for help. Im sure I will get 87253485 replies from people asking how to do it, but too bad for them. Anyway, Im gonna see if I can reencode my video only file to a lower bitrate and go from there, but without losing too much quality. :D

[lineman]

I decided to post a message on the xbox forums asking for help. Im sure I will get 87253485 replies from people asking how to do it, but too bad for them. Anyway, Im gonna see if I can reencode my video only file to a lower bitrate and go from there, but without losing too much quality. :D

I used to WMVMuxer - profile (WVC1 1080p 24 vbr Q90) on a full length evob and then muxed the audio and video and it now plays fine. The quality is really good on my 60in Sony SXRD, its way better quality than an Xvid encode I did of the same movie. I think the main problem is the high end vbr which may be as high as 45mbit I think on the originals. Well thats the latest from me...

:devil:

[kornesque]

lineman, what is the average bitrate of the file? i've noticed even 17mbps works much better than 18mbps - i can actually get the video to play after seeking around for a while when i have no audio. audio pushes it over the top, and i have to wait about 3min to get 5sec of video.

[kornesque]

oh snip snap. i got my hands on a blueray rip, just on a whim, to see what luck i had with it. 2 step muxing and it plays on the 360. ironic eh? the competition format is easier to manipulate than vc-1 for viewing on 360.

[j666]

how r u guys converting the audio?is there na esy way to convert to ac3?

[vathimenil]

@lineman: can you give more detail as to how you fed the full-length evo to WMVMuxer? It doesn't appear to be a file format that is otherwise recognized by the program... I'm not entirely happy with the quality of my Xvid encodes either, so I'd love to give the .wmv route a whirl. Thanks. Cheers.

[twan69666]

We really need to make a graph/tutorial about a temporary 360 solution for now. Ive tried so many different routes that I cant even remember what i did to get to where Im at now. :confused:

[kornesque]

well, i've kinda thrown in the towel due to the fact that old 360 won't really play reliably over 12/13mbps. i undertook this project assuming the 360 would be able to play HD content (it plays HD-DVDs fine), but didn't realize till later that it gets a significant boost in decoding performance from the HD-DVD drive, making streaming HD impractical. i was wanting to stay away from re-encoding, but this appears to be the only solution for streaming this content.

if enough people still want a guide on how to essentially mux the vc-1 and *re-encoded* dd+ into theoretically 360 playable .wmv, holler and we'll whip it up. of all the movies i've ripped and toyed with, however, none average less than 16mbps, which makes for messy playback.

i would like to see an pratical re-encode solution firmed up though. great video's better than no video.

@vathimenil: use steps 1-8 from this excellent doom9 post:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=939698#post939698
to create an avi that wmvmuxer will accept.

[vathimenil]

@vathimenil: use steps 1-8 from this excellent doom9 post:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=939698#post939698
to create an avi that wmvmuxer will accept.

Thanks for refreshing my memory... the EvoDemux thread has gotten so long, I'd completely forgotten about this... :stupid:

Cheers!

[lineman]

well, i've kinda thrown in the towel due to the fact that old 360 won't really play reliably over 12/13mbps. i undertook this project assuming the 360 would be able to play HD content (it plays HD-DVDs fine), but didn't realize till later that it gets a significant boost in decoding performance from the HD-DVD drive, making streaming HD impractical. i was wanting to stay away from re-encoding, but this appears to be the only solution for streaming this content.

if enough people still want a guide on how to essentially mux the vc-1 and *re-encoded* dd+ into theoretically 360 playable .wmv, holler and we'll whip it up. of all the movies i've ripped and toyed with, however, none average less than 16mbps, which makes for messy playback.

i would like to see an pratical re-encode solution firmed up though. great video's better than no video.

@vathimenil: use steps 1-8 from this excellent doom9 post:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=939698#post939698
to create an avi that wmvmuxer will accept.

There maybe some light at the end of the tunnel after the spring update. Looks as though VC-1 will be multi threaded so higher bitrates should now work. Have to wait for the update and see.

[kornesque]

i'm back to stumped. amir from avsforum has made it clear that the HD-DVD drive is simply that, and does not take part in decoding. i took the network out of the loop and broke a sample of an 18mbps average movie onto a FAT32 usb drive (notice it's not ntfs....RRRGGG. cmon MS). conslusion: it's the 360. stutters the same as if it were streamed. the sample peaked at a little over 25, so now i'm really at a loss. hopefully the multithreaded vc-1 decoder improves this.