anydvd hd and macrovison

[pyrates]

I noticed that when I disable the hardware rendering in powerdvd 6.5 with hddvd, that the colors are off like going from dark to light constantly, and noticed that this is what macrovision does.

Is there going to be a macrovision removal option going to be added to anydvd hd anytime soon?

I tested this with the batman begins hd-dvd ripped with all the menu's intact.

[Doom9]

The colors are off where exactly? On your PC screen?

[pyrates]

The colors are off where exactly? On your PC screen?

Throughout the movie. But the moment I enable hardware acceleration within the powerdvd video window, that goes away and it's now shown perfectly. Problem is that the graphics card I have can't do 1080p realtime decoding and so it lags. But it plays fine using all software decoding. Just that the colors go from light to dark as if you are adjusting the contrast. Which is what macrovision does when it is enabled. :mad:

[setarip_old]

I don't believe either HD DVDs or BluRay DVDs utilize the ancient Macrovision protection. Chances are it's just your system/card being unable to "keep up with things" without hardware acceleration...

[kolak]

Threre can be macrovision protection on new HD disks and it's called APS2 (it is not APS1 Type2)

[pyrates]

I don't believe either HD DVDs or BluRay DVDs utilize the ancient Macrovision protection. Chances are it's just your system/card being unable to "keep up with things" without hardware acceleration...

Well they do. Just a new form of it, see here (http://www.emedialive.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=11457).

I know it's not my system not being able to keep up. If it was my system not being able to keep up, then it would stall. It doesn't. Only when I enable hardware acceleration, the colors are fine, but the graphics card can't decode it all in time so it does stall. But if hardware acceleration is off, then it plays smoothly, but the colors go from dark to light like the contrast is being played with.

I saw no such option in anydvd hd for removal of the macrovision, but it is there for the dvd ripping options.

[setarip_old]

I saw no such option in anydvd hd for removal of the macrovisionNor has there been (Unless I've overlooked a post) any indication of the exisitence of Macrovision protection in any of the threads here having to do with ripping HD DVDs or BluRay DVDs.

Perhaps this hasn't been implemented, despite the June 2006 article to which you provided a link...

BTW - In reading other threads in this sub-forum, I've seen multiple references to problems arising when using PowerDVD v.6.5 - that seem to disappear when using PowerDVD v.7.1

[pyrates]

Nor has there been (Unless I've overlooked a post) any indication of the exisitence of Macrovision protection in any of the threads here having to do with ripping HD DVDs or BluRay DVDs.

Perhaps this hasn't been implemented, despite the June 2006 article to which you provided a link...

BTW - In reading other threads in this sub-forum, I've seen multiple references to problems arising when using PowerDVD v.6.5 - that seem to disappear when using PowerDVD v.7.1

Yep, cuz powerdvd 7.1 and 7.2 enforces it so that if the hardware acceleration is enabled, it checks to see if ur graphics card meets the minimum requirements. Other wise it won't play. But if you disable the hardware acceleration, then it shows nothing at all. This is why powerdvd 7.1 and 7.2 don't have these problems.

[setarip_old]

1) As far as I know, simply using hardware acceleration doesn't overcome Macrovision protection, so I don't see how Macrovision could be involved in your system's behavior (Macrovision-like when acceleration is off, no such behavior when acceleration is on)

2) If, as you state:I know it's not my system not being able to keep up... but the graphics card can't decode it all in time so it does stall., perhaps (as I suggested) your graphics card is inadequate for properly playing back HD DVD or BluRay DVD

3) If, as you state, the problem "disappears" with the use of PowerDVD v.7.1 and you have the need for using your system for a significant amount of HD/BluRay DVD playback, it's probably worth your while to upgrade (assuming your graphics card proves not to be the problem)

[pyrates]

1) As far as I know, simply using hardware acceleration doesn't overcome Macrovision protection, so I don't see how Macrovision could be involved in your system's behavior (Macrovision-like when acceleration is off, no such behavior when acceleration is on)

2) If, as you state:, perhaps (as I suggested) your graphics card is inadequate for properly playing back HD DVD or BluRay DVD

3) If, as you state, the problem "disappears" with the use of PowerDVD v.7.1 and you have the need for using your system for a significant amount of HD/BluRay DVD playback, it's probably worth your while to upgrade (assuming your graphics card proves not to be the problem)

The graphics card is not used when hardware acceleration is turned off so it'll all be done in software, and thats when macrovision is enabled. But only in powerdvd 6.5 hd-dvd, otherwise in powerdvd 7.1 and 7.2 hd-dvd editions, it just wont show anything. I know its macrovision because I recognize the way the colors fade in and out.

[setarip_old]

Perhaps another poster can offer you some additional insight...

**EDIT** Question - Does the original, commercial HD DVD exhibit the same behavior when you play it on the same system?

[HyperHacker]

It makes no sense that they would implement Macrovision in a software player, rather than simply reducing resolution or stopping just as with a non-HDCP-compliant device. The goal of HDCP is to stop you from copying the raw image, so if you're using software rendering (which would allow you to copy by grabbing the on-screen output every frame), I imagine they'd react the same way. Macrovision was only created because they had no better way to stop the video from being captured by VCRs without messing it up on TVs.

[tonyp12]

That the colors are not the same, is probably due to the it's not
the same engine that is decoding the stream.

One is software only (and maybe even have vivid turned on)
and one is with hardware accel going thru nvdida PureVideo.

[pyrates]

That the colors are not the same, is probably due to the it's not
the same engine that is decoding the stream.

One is software only (and maybe even have vivid turned on)
and one is with hardware accel going thru nvdida PureVideo.

Then you go download powerdvd 6.5 with hddvd and play a hddvd ripped movie with all the menu's intact in software mode. Plus it was only the movie that was dimming and brightening as if it was bad contrast, and that is macrovision. I know what macrovision looks like. Plus the menu's that I chose to bring up, wouldn't be doing that. Just the movie. Although the 1080p trailer that was on it wasn't doing that at all with the colors no matter what if ur using software or hardware acceleration.

[setarip_old]

Again, Question - Does the original, commercial HD DVD exhibit the same behavior when you play it on the same system?

[pyrates]

Again, Question - Does the original, commercial HD DVD exhibit the same behavior when you play it on the same system?

I wasn't able to play the original hd dvd because my monitor had no hdcp and neither did my video card, hence why I tried ripping it using anydvd hd. And that was the result.

[setarip_old]

I wasn't able to play the original hd dvd because my monitor had no hdcp and neither did my video card, hence why I tried ripping it using anydvd hd.Just out of curiosity, does the original, commercial HD DVD display this "Macrovision-like" behavior when you play it on your/someone's standalone HD-DVD player? Does your backup copy?

[pyrates]

Just out of curiosity, does the original, commercial HD DVD display this "Macrovision-like" behavior when you play it on your/someone's standalone HD-DVD player? Does your backup copy?

Don't got a stand alone hd dvd player currently, too expensive :) And don't really have a hd dvd burner, so I can only test it through this method.

[setarip_old]

As I said:on your/someone'sYou can always take your original and copy into an electronics store and try them out there ;>}And don't really have a hd dvd burnerPerhaps I've missed something in your posts. How did you manage to rip a backup copy of your original, commercial HD DVD?

[pyrates]

As I said:You can always take your original and copy into an electronics store and try them out there ;>}Perhaps I've missed something in your posts. How did you manage to rip a backup copy of your original, commercial HD DVD?

I got the xbox 360 hd dvd driver hooked up to my pc :)

[setarip_old]

A little bit of Googling discloses that the "Batman Begins" HD DVD does NOT contain Macrovision protection:

Definitions at:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:vUHyvnuVtRkJ:wmlicense.smdisp.net/wmdrmcompliance/doc/Compliance%2520Rules%2520for%2520WMF%25209.5%2520SDK%2520WMDRM%2520Applications%252009-16-04b.doc+%22Macrovision%22+and+%22Level:+0%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

APSTB values Description Specified Value
00 No Macrovision ACP Off
01 AGC Only APS1
10 AGC and 2 line ColorStripe APS2
11 AGC and 4 line ColorStripe APS3


Info re: "Batman Begins" at:
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:eJN1kKDdhcAJ:www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/printthread.php%3Ft%3D748426%26page%3D2%26pp%3D30+%22Macrovision%22+and+%22Level:+0%22+and+%22Batman+Begins%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Report from WinDVD Setup/Information tab
Version:
7.5 B42.052
Navigation:
Type: HD-DVD
Region: None
Drive: H:
TV System: Unspecified.
Macrovision Level: 0
CGMS Level: 3
Video:
Hardware:
Vendor: Nvidia
Connection type: MEDIASUBTYPE_YUY2
Downstream renderer: CLSID_DisplayServer
Stream:
Type: VC1

[Adbear]

I wasn't able to play the original hd dvd because my monitor had no hdcp and neither did my video card, hence why I tried ripping it using anydvd hd. And that was the result.
6.5 doesn't implement hdcp, and it only comes into effect when using it with 7.1 or 7.2 so if you play the original you should get the same effect on a pc using 6.5. I've been playing mine thru my 360 hd-dvd player on my pc to my lcd screen with and without acceleration and both look fine from my original and from a rip

[setarip_old]

@Adbear

Hi!6.5 doesn't implement hdcpYour observation, coupled with my establishing that the "Batman Begins" HD DVD definitely doesn't contain Macrovision protection leads me to believe that the file "pyrates" is experimenting with is something "other than" his/her rip of an original, commercial HD DVD - and may be flawed in some way.

Either that, or "pyrates" has a hardware problem that he/she is just refusing to acknowledge...

BTW - Can an XBox 360 HD DVD drive be hooked up directly to a HiDef television?

[blutach]

@seatrip_old

These sorts of accusations unless obvious, belong in a Report Post. I don't wanna start a flame war based on what you might think.

Regards

[setarip_old]

I've not accused anyone of any wrongdoing, merely speculating as to the cause of the problem, based on the facts at hand thusfar...

[blutach]

Well, please keep those beliefs to yourself, unless it is obvious the poster is making an illegal copy.

Regards

[setarip_old]

unless it is obvious the poster is making an illegal copy.I've said nothing about an "illegal copy".

I've summarized the findings by both "Adbear" and myself, to wit:

Despite the statements by "pyrates", research indicates that:

1) His/her original HD DVD would be playable under PowerDVD v.6.5 (Per "Adbear")

2) The "Batman Begins" HD DVD does not contain Macrovision (My research, per this link http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:eJN1kKDdhcAJ:www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/printthread.php%3Ft%3D748426%26page%3D2%26pp%3D30+%22Macrovision%22+and+%22Level:+0%22+and+%22Batman+Begins%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us )

Therefore, "pyrates" either has a hardware problem that he/she refuses to recognize and/or "pyrates" has altered his/her backup rip - and it may be flawed in some way, including the possibility that it is a backup of a flawed original, commercial HD DVD.

Hopefully, "pyrates" will post back here with some further insight regarding his/her problem, particularly in light of the information provided by "Adbear" - so that it might be determined whether there is a hardware problem or, perhaps, a flawed original, commercial HD DVD...

[pyrates]

Well I'm back. After further fiddling around with powerdvd 6.5, it seems it no longer changes to these weird colors that made it look like it had macrovision. I don't know how I fixed it, but I'm glad I did. Now I can watch hd dvd's that I've ripped without being forced to pay for a hdcp compliant lcd display with dvi and a newer graphics card. Cause I got the processing power to decode the video and audio anyways in software. Thanks all for the help.

[setarip_old]

Glad to hear you've now got things working properly!I don't know how I fixed itIt would have been good if you had noted what you did, so that you could have shared the information with others that might have been having the same difficulty.

On the other hand, despite your certainty that the backup contained Macrovision, you now know that things aren't always what they appear to be ;>}

[pyrates]

Glad to hear you've now got things working properly!It would have been good if you had noted what you did, so that you could have shared the information with others that might have been having the same difficulty.

On the other hand, despite your certainty that the backup contained Macrovision, you now know that things aren't always what they appear to be ;>}

Well I do know I imported a HDDVD.reg file and a MCE_SYM.reg. Maybe that did it.