CCCP ffdshow discussion

[pandy]

Codeck Pack ? Again ? Wake up guyz, we're into 2007 !
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VFW definetly suckz !


I agree with You but for some people things like CCCP are good solutions - they play on PC some XVid/Divx files, sometimes DVD and thats all - so this kind of codec pack with some players and nifty instaler is fine.

Personally i dont use CCCP but sometimes i install CCCP on some folks computer - these kind of folks treat PC as a one of VCR or DVD player : push the red button then yellow and after few seconds video is played... ;) - for this kind of folks CCCP is quite good solutions - CCCP is simply no good if YOU do more with video than simple watching...

[HeadBangeR77]

I can only second what Pandy wrote above.

We seem to forget those folks, who just want to watch "some kind of video", encoded with "some kind of codec", are the vast majority of the whole population. ;) They've never heard of DirectShow, ffmpeg etc., and often can't even distinguish encoder from decoder, 'cause they've got other things in life to do, other tasks to accomplish. Why not make a product for them? They are simple users, they are the majority.

[PatchWorKs]

We seem to forget those folks, who just want to watch "some kind of video", encoded with "some kind of codec", are the vast majority of the whole population. ;) They've never heard of DirectShow, ffmpeg etc., and often can't even distinguish encoder from decoder, 'cause they've got other things in life to do, other tasks to accomplish. Why not make a product for them? They are simple users, they are the majority.

Well, there are the EXACT reasons to switch to VLC: don't care about anything nor about installation (unzip 'n run) !

Codec packs are more difficout to manage for simple users !

[KoD]

It only means you never had any problems using VLC. Some things like advanced subtitle positioning or using custom fonts inside mkv files are not possible in VLC.

[sheppaul]

It only means you never had any problems using VLC. Some things like advanced subtitle positioning or using custom fonts inside mkv files are not possible in VLC.

They are majorities? ;)

[KoD]

Err... what do you mean ? I should give up on those features because some people find it difficult to use anything else than VLC ?

CCCP was meant exactly for those people - set their system up during install so they will benefit from all the advanced playback possibilities availabe presently without having to make compromises like using VLC.

Don't forget that CCCP is directed at certain fans for which proper subtitle rendering is very important.

Now, something else like streaming is not interesting for those people, so there's nothing in CCCP to address it. VLC does however fare well in this regard.

In the end, it's a matter of which needs have to be addressed, and those needs differ form one group to another.

[pandy]

VLC i ok but for some people is not a solutions - if some guy love favourite player then VLC is no good for him.
e.g. i like very much MPC. i like do some PP on the video and audio by ffdshow... sa VLC is no a universal solution (btw i lke also VLC and using them frequently - VLC has better support for ie transport streams)

[Harukalover]

CCCP is simply no good if YOU do more with video than simple watching...
I'm an encoder and I also have CCCP installed.

/me mumbles about not using CCCP default settings though...

Sometimes it's a bit easier to just pick up a properly maintained pack instead of having to install every separate decoder/splitter I need.

[vlada]

VLC has terrible subtitles support, AFAIK it can't downmix 5.1 to stereo and there many other drawbacks. It's a great player but MPC+ffdshow much better suits my needs.

Btw. why are people still calling filters codecs? Even most codecpacks are rather filterpacks. If CCCP doesn't care about VfW then there are no codecs in this pack, just filters.

[HeadBangeR77]

Imho VLC and other all-in-one-solutions based on ffmpeg are getting better every day. Yet, as already said above, some people are used to their favourite players, and proper subtitles support is very important for many.

If I have to install anything connected with audio/video decoding on somebody's system, I will still choose MPC + ffdshow, Haali's Media Splitter, and probably AC3 filter, which I prefer to ffdshow AC3/DTS decoding & mixing. It's not whole lot of software to take care of.

[sheppaul]

If I have to install anything connected with audio/video decoding on somebody's system, I will still choose MPC + ffdshow, Haali's Media Splitter, and probably AC3 filter, which I prefer to ffdshow AC3/DTS decoding & mixing. It's not whole lot of software to take care of.

Yeah, it looks like a standard for video playback but generally mpc + ffdshow is enough in most cases. If it is not important to get suitable subtitle supports, vlc or mplayer can be a best solution.

[Keepitsimple]

The only reason I turned to mpc/ffdshow was because of buggy ac3 support in vlc. Now that I have used mpc/ffdshow for a while I wouldnt move back even if they added better ac3 support. I have come to like the flexibility.

[Episode]

Actually, it would be great if someone could merge ffdshow, different splitters like haali's media splitter and mpc on a same, single program :)

[Inventive Software]

I proposed something in the old ffdshow thread about having a filter incorporating libavformat, and again in the new ffdshow-tryouts thread, so I'll flag it up again. If my programming knowledge increases so that I can wrap libavformat in an easy-to-use filter like ffdshow, then I will! :)