Question about already decrypted HD media

[Gnodab]

Something that I'm not sure I understand about AACS, and the whole copy protection scheme in general that is employed on the new HD media. Once someone decrypts a movie, and has the file on the hard drive, it is decrypted, and no amount of hardware/software updates will change that. I.E. only ONE person needs to decrypt a movie to be able to post it to P2P networks, and next thing you know, hundreds of thousands/millions of people have it. So why does it matter that the hardware/software will update itself to stop publicized keys from being used?
Its not like the players check the crc's of all media files played against a list of studio provided blacklisted crc's .

am I missing something here?

[tharagleb]

Yes, you are missing something. You are talking about p2p and piracy. This forum is about making legitimate copies of (hd)dvd's that you already own. You might want to read the forum guidelines.

[Hellreaper]

Yes you are.

It is not about what movies you can decrypt now.

It's about what movies you can decrypt in 5+ years.

Software player keys will be changed, they will also be hidden more effectively.

It is not the movie industry who is looking for weaknesses. They just have to take advantage of other people doing it. After all, the industry doesn't have to release the most interesting movies right now. It can wait, until "hackers" have made their own system more secure. Indirectly.

[Gnodab]

Yes, you are missing something. You are talking about p2p and piracy. This forum is about making legitimate copies of (hd)dvd's that you already own. You might want to read the forum guidelines.

I figured that it would be assumed I was unclear about why it is so important to have to make a backup from ones own disc, when backups will already exist elsewhere regardless of the ability to do so.


ontopic:
so what your saying is that eventually the keys will be so well hidden that the one person needed to create the original backup won't be able to find them?

[Si]

Yes, you are missing something. You are talking about p2p and piracy. This forum is about making legitimate copies of (hd)dvd's that you already own. You might want to read the forum guidelines.

What a strange 1st post !

Especially as the forum's own rules (esp 6) seem to have been waived since HDDVD keys arrived and things have got very blurry here.

regards
Simon

[Hellreaper]

If you are talking about new movie keys - maybe. (already decrypted content stays decrypted - like you said before)

You have to keep in mind that AACS itself is not "hacked" - so there is a hunt for individual movie keys.

Basically that's not really a problem for people who want to back up right now, as there are very few movies out there.

But imagine the number of pressings out in 2012.

[tharagleb]

What a strange 1st post !

Especially as the forum's own rules (esp 6) seem to have been waived since HDDVD keys arrived and things have got very blurry here.

regards
Simon

I still think the original post advocates piracy. My number of posts has nothing to do with this thread. I disagree with you that rule 6 is not being enforced.

[tharagleb]

I figured that it would be assumed I was unclear about why it is so important to have to make a backup from ones own disc, when backups will already exist elsewhere regardless of the ability to do so.




It is important for me to back up my DVDs so that if one is damaged I can still watch the movie. I paid for them. It is not legal for me to get a copy of the movie via P2P.

[Si]

I disagree with you that rule 6 is not being enforced.

"6) No warez, cracks, serials..."

Heh - i'm just a programmer who hangs out here because that's where my mates live.

But if ANYONE thinks that we haven't got a 2 legs good - 4 legs bad situation here, then they're greatly kidding themselves :)

For the record, I'm not against whats happening, I'm just suprised to see it going on here :) Its like coming back to an old pub to find its become a strip club :)


regards

Simon

[Gnodab]

It is important for me to back up my DVDs so that if one is damaged I can still watch the movie. I paid for them. It is not legal for me to get a copy of the movie via P2P.

Ok, I assumed that media was under the same copyright rules as video games...i.e. you can download roms if you have the original game. Is it not?

[ShadowFlare]

Ok, I assumed that media was under the same copyright rules as video games...i.e. you can download roms if you have the original game. Is it not?
Actually, that is technically illegal as well -- even if you do own a copy of the game. The companies that release this copyrighted content (movies, music, games, etc.) do have the right to specify how it may (or may not) be distributed and are the only ones who may give permission for others to distribute it by any other means than the original medium on which it was released.

[blutach]

OK - enough of this malarky.

First, we are not senior IP lawyers and so this is not the place for legal discussion. End this legal stuff right here and now please!

Second, we operate under Doom9's rules. That's it. The OP was referring to things which other people might do. He was not asking for a crack or a place to find decrypted material, nor was he advocating such. This thread has turned into a whole lot of quasi moderators having a go about something that has nothing to do with Decrypting! And sprouting a lotta legal stuff, which has nothing to do with our forum rules.

Best to close this discussion down right now.

Regards