Recording Ripped HD-DVD to Blu-Ray

[strider01]

I've successfully managed to backup a few hd-dvd titles, however, as I only have a bluray burner, I was wondering if i were to record the decrypted hd-dvd content to bluray, would it be playable in a set-top bluray player? I understand that bluray also works with VC-1, so maybe all I have to do is reauthor the streams? Any help or suggestins would be much appreciated!

[k-c-ksum]

should work if you can demux the evos, and the audio is compatible with what br can currently play. Ya might find it hard to find an authoring app that works with vc1 and or avc though.

[strider01]

Finding an authoring ap is certainly the next step. I'm pretty sure Blueray works with VC-1, but I don't know about AVC..hmmm....

[Golgot13]

All HD video from HD DVD is compliant with BluRay.
BluRay support VC1 (BD movie of Waner are in VC1), AVC and MPEG2.
But be carefull because all video from BD is not automaticly compliant
with HD DVD.

Video structure for BD is better than HD DVD because the long GoP is supported.
This option is very interested for low bitrate (??? because there is lot of place on BD disc).



Golgot13

[Adbear]

All HD video from HD DVD is compliant with BluRay.
BluRay support VC1 (BD movie of Waner are in VC1), AVC and MPEG2.
But be carefull because all video from BD is not automaticly compliant
with HD DVD.

Video structure for BD is better than HD DVD because the long GoP is supported.
This option is very interested for low bitrate (??? because there is lot of place on BD disc).



Golgot13
Blu-ray doesn't automatically support the hd-dvd files as they are written differently, you have to demux them then re-mux them into the right format to make them work, also disagree about bd being better because of the long gop structure, why would you need to use a very low bitrate on a disc this size, also vc-1 can have a higher bitrate with a smaller file size and at the moment there are no blu-ray discs that can do the equivalent of the 'in-movie experience' (basically live picture in picture) that you can get in HD-DVD as Sony havn't implemented it yet even though they keep showing it off

Having spoken to the guys at Sonic who make DVDit Pro HD they were saying that at the moment most set top boxes won't support the BDMV file structure on BD-R's or BD-re's so you'd have to make it as a single file in a BDAV format

[diogen]

I think it was mentioned on AVS (by Ben?) that the number of allowed B-frames in VC-1 encodes for BD is lower than for HD.
This is the reason Warner runs their HD VC-1 encoded movies through a convertor that brings the number of B-frames in compliance with BD specs.
It increases the file sligthly but no re-encoding is done.

Diogen.

[vsv]

I think it was mentioned on AVS (by Ben?) that the number of allowed B-frames in VC-1 encodes for BD is lower than for HD.
This is the reason Warner runs their HD VC-1 encoded movies through a convertor that brings the number of B-frames in compliance with BD specs.
It increases the file sligthly but no re-encoding is done.

Diogen.

wrong. just removed 2:3 cadence from header of vc1 es.
HDDVD need 29,97 (23,976p with pulldown) and for BD 24p is ok.

[Golgot13]

Blu-ray doesn't automatically support the hd-dvd files as they are written differently, you have to demux them then re-mux them into the right format to make them work, also disagree about bd being better because of the long gop structure, why would you need to use a very low bitrate on a disc this size, also vc-1 can have a higher bitrate with a smaller file size and at the moment there are no blu-ray discs that can do the equivalent of the 'in-movie experience' (basically live picture in picture) that you can get in HD-DVD as Sony havn't implemented it yet even though they keep showing it off

I said all elementary video stream from HD DVD title are compliant with BD format.
VSV is right, The 3:2 pulldown must be remove. BD format accept the "true" framerate.
It is exactly same video (same quality).

The long GOP structure is better, because the I frame is key frame and it use lot of bitrate.
I think in future, we will see all episode of one saison of TV serie on one BD disc
(in H264 with HD format).



Having spoken to the guys at Sonic who make DVDit Pro HD they were saying that at the moment most set top boxes won't support the BDMV file structure on BD-R's or BD-re's so you'd have to make it as a single file in a BDAV format

The first DVD players (in 1997 and 1998) did not support well DVDR disc, I listen the futur
update of PS3 (and others soon) will resolve this problem. I think because Sony and Panasonic
want to sell more AVCHD camcorder which can make BD structure on DVDR or BDR/BDRE
(with computer burner).
And the BD-R and BD-RE format are not finalized ( speed and specification change every
3 month), the BD-R 4X come soon and BD-R 6X is tested...

For HD DVD it is same, the player is lock some function:
We can not make HD DVD with function which read or record in persistance storage
on DVDR or HD DVDR :devil:
We need to use HD DVD Toshiba software simulator or HD DVD Sonic software simulator...


Golgot13