AMD's is gonna hit where it hurts...

[Sharktooth]

From the Randy Allen interview at zdnet AMD is going to strike back with a massive performance enhancements in their new barcelona core.
Allen said a dual core barcelona chip would be 1.8x faster than the actual dual core opterons at the same frequency and the quad core version will be 40% faster than Intel's clovertown.
Allen also disclosed some new facts. K8L is a complete redesign of the core and not just an "upgrade" design.
more info here: http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/hardware/0,39042972,61984216,00.htm

[Inventive Software]

I'll believe it when I see comparison benchmarks. ;)

[Romario]

Before late April, you can't expect Barcelona tests.

[Sharktooth]

More info and lauch dates: http://dailytech.com/More+AMD+Next+Generation+Desktop+Details+Leaked/article5874.htm

[Sharktooth]

athlonX2 6000+ (current K8 core - not the K8L) just hit the shelves: http://dailytech.com/Athlon+64+X2+6000+Hits+Store+Shelves+Way+Early/article5883.htm

[Audionut]

Some dude at AMD also also went on about intel's quad core and how it was not a true quad core yada yada yada (insert some sippo bullshit).

Which would be all well and good if AMD themselves were releasing a true quad core. And not some overpriced 4x4 POS.

And then you have the new alliance stating that nvidias new GPU is a waste of time, as there's no directx10 software yet, yadda yadda, you get the picture.

[Doom9]

let's not forget that Barcelona means server chips.. the end user chips won't be available before Q3, which gives Intel ample time of selling overpriced 2x2 cores on a single die chips. And with not a single benchmark out there, right now AMD is just blowing their own horn in the hope of scaring people from buying Intel chips. Now why does that sound vaguely familiar? Oh yeah, Intel was doing the same thing during the Athlon's reign.

As usual.. if you need a machine now, buy now, if you need it in half a year, check the market then. In the PC world half a year is half of an enternity.

[Sharktooth]

http://www.boincstats.com/stats/host_cpu_stats.php?pr=sah&st=0&or=10

In the first place there is an Unknown Athlon/Opteron dual core CPU.
It's supposed to be a new CPU from AMD (probably a barcellona dual core chip).
As you can see the average credit per CPU/Core is outstanding...

[Manao]

4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5335 @ 2.00GHz 5 111,780.36 4,257.08 22,356.07 851.42
6 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5345 @ 2.33GHz 25 742,253.12 16,931.40 29,690.12 677.26That means the average credit per CPU isn't reliable when there aren't enough CPU to compute the average.

[Sharktooth]

what you mean? the average credit per CPU is just the average credit divided by the number of CPUs (or cores).

EDIT: also found other interensting news: http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=37937

[Manao]

Obviously, CPU E5335 @ 2.00GHz is less powerfull than CPU E5345 @ 2.33GHz. Yet its average credit per CPU is 26% higher. There's a problem, hence, average credit per CPU is unreliable ( by more than 40%, since it should actually be 14% lower ).

[Sharktooth]

We all know rising the CPUs/Cores will lower the average single CPU efficiency due to overeheads and other factors (lan speed, number of processors on a single mainboard, etc...).
that's perfectly normal and expectable.
On a dual core CPU that factor is almost negligible but on a 25 processors cluster that could be an issue...

[Manao]

Perfectly normal and expectable ? Huh ? As far as I know, they don't make CPUs from the same class work only together. So the only reason for the slower CPU to be rated higher is that the lower the number of CPUs, the more imprecise the measure. So, when only 2 CPUs are present ( as it is the case for the unknown type AMD ), you can't conclude anything from the figures.

[Sharktooth]

It could be imprecise but it is always higher than any dual core CPU in the table.
New statistics are up and the trend is identical...

[Soulhunter]

1 TFlop, (http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=37937) 1.8 TFlops... (http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/02/11/intel_80_core/)

My 0.1fps scripts would run at 3-5fps, huh?


Bye

[twolfe18]

dang, i cant wait to build a new rig. my current system is beginning to show its age (amd x2 4200+ w/ 2gb OCZ ddr400).

i can picture it now, a water cooled quad core beast with 4 gigs of ram. that will cut down on render times!:cool:

[specise_8472]

dang, i cant wait to build a new rig. my current system is beginning to show its age (amd x2 4200+ w/ 2gb OCZ ddr400).

i can picture it now, a water cooled quad core beast with 4 gigs of ram. that will cut down on render times!:cool:

Sounds good.
I went the Dualcore route last week - got the latest Gigabyte Nvidia 680i SLI chipset board, (also supports the Quadcores when they finally hit the shelves at a resonable price) 2.4 dualcore processor and 4 gigs ram.
Running 2 x Quadro 3400 SLI enabled video cards.

Heres the rub, 32bit windows chokes on 4 gig ram, only sees 2.7 after video and system take their own chunks. The only way to get full memory is 64bit, but drivers then become an issue. Same with Vista, but driver support is even more of a problem. Of course 2003 Sever Enterprise does handle all this lovely memory correctly, but some driver issues as well.

So check very carefully all the pitfalls before leaping into the wonderful world of oddles of memory.

[twolfe18]

you are right, right now there are some problems with 4 gigs of ram and 64 bit OS's, but i think this wont be a problem by the time i save enought money to buy the rig i was talking about. :rolleyes: i dont think that i will really be able to build something like that for a while, it was more of a fantasy thinking about that setup than a reality.

although, i will say that i think that vista will be the OS that will finally make 64 bits mainstream. by the end of vista's lifespan (at least 2011), virtually everyone will be using a 64 bit OS.

plus, maybe i'm pulling a bill gates here, but i dont see most mainstream users really needing more than 2.7GB of memory anytime soon. if it ever gets to the point where a basic word/internet explorer user needs 2gb of ram, then OS's have gotten out of control.

as for now, i will be sticking with my system and XP pro. i'll keep saving for that next system though.

[specise_8472]

you are right, right now there are some problems with 4 gigs of ram and 64 bit OS's, but i think this wont be a problem by the time i save enought money to buy the rig i was talking about. :rolleyes: i dont think that i will really be able to build something like that for a while, it was more of a fantasy thinking about that setup than a reality.

although, i will say that i think that vista will be the OS that will finally make 64 bits mainstream. by the end of vista's lifespan (at least 2011), virtually everyone will be using a 64 bit OS.

plus, maybe i'm pulling a bill gates here, but i dont see most mainstream users really needing more than 2.7GB of memory anytime soon. if it ever gets to the point where a basic word/internet explorer user needs 2gb of ram, then OS's have gotten out of control.

as for now, i will be sticking with my system and XP pro. i'll keep saving for that next system though.

Yeh, you are right, "but the salt in the wound" is that I have in my lab setup a HP D530 with 4gigs in it and XP sees 3.8 gig of it. Because of the smaller Video / system requirements.

[Traehuert Mada]

Tsk, typical scare tactics from AMD, well I know for sure I ain't gonna move away from my 3GHz Dual Core P4 (32-bit).

As for what's running in my box
P4 3GHz Dual Core on a ASUS P4P800SE
3GB of RAM (2x GEIL 1GB chips + 2x Kingston 512MB chips) {Only 2GB recognised by MemTurbo, Control Panel -> System recognises the full 3GB}
GeForce FX5600 256MB (DVI/D-Sub) with a BenQ FP222W DVI/D-Sub
About 260GB (242.21GiB) of hard drive space from a 60GB IDE & 200GB SATA
ASUS DRW-0402D/P -R/RW +RW & CD-R/RW
LITE-ON DVD SOHD-16P9S
XP Pro (SP1)

[Sagittaire]

As usual.. if you need a machine now, buy now, if you need it in half a year, check the market then. In the PC world half a year is half of an enternity.

Well it's true ... if AMD work on the K8L, Intel work on the next CPU generation too.

Anyway at this time Intel is by far the best solution for price, performance and performance/price ...

[dragongodz]

Tsk, typical scare tactics from AMD
huh? what the hell are you on about ? so AMD is hyping its coming cpus, guess what, Intel did the exact same thing with the core2s well before their release aswell.
how the hell is that supposed to be scare tactics ? tsk, typical fanboy post.

at this time Intel is by far the best solution for price, performance and performance/price
please do not make such ridiculous sweeping statements. sure if someone can afford to get an e6700 they are going to have a hell fast cpu. however for lower end the performance/price depends on what you are doing. need an example ? fine go here
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=122318
hmm whats that i see an x2 3800+ is faster in that test than an e4300. oh and an x2 4200+ is faster than an e6300. want to start comparing prices and see which of those matches actually is better performance/price ? no prizes for guessing the AMD cpus are. they are both cheaper and faster for that test.

now if someone said they wanted to buy a cheap dual core cpu, as they had a tight budget, for encoding with megui/x264 what cpu would you be suggesting ?

p.s. do not even bother to start carrying on about overclocked speeds as i couldnt care less about them. you will find the majority of people do NOT overclock.

[Traehuert Mada]

Only reason I'm a Intel "Fanboy" is that of the past 5 Pentium computers I've built, none of them died within 6-12 months of the build and all managed to survive & still work after an intense series of brownouts and/or blackouts WITHOUT a UPS, where as the 2 Athlon's I've build (a 1.41GHz Athlon on a ASUS A7A2666 & a 1.8GHz Athlon 2000 XP on a Gigabyte GA-7S748) both died after 6-12 months and were extremely tetchy after any power loss.

Also, I've NEVER overclocked any of my computers as that reduces the lifespan in favour for more speed.

Oh, and just for fun: I never bother trying to keep up to date with whatever new junk is pumped out as 99% of those ads never make it onto the Foxtel/Austar PayTV system, as they are nearly always played on the FTA (Free-To-Air) channels 'ere in Aus.

[dragongodz]

the 2 Athlon's I've build (a 1.41GHz Athlon on a ASUS A7A2666 & a 1.8GHz Athlon 2000 XP on a Gigabyte GA-7S748) both died after 6-12 months and were extremely tetchy after any power loss.
then you were just extremely unlucky. i have had both intel and amd cpus and none have ever died. infact nobody i personally know has had a cpu just die and especially not after just 6 to 12 months. it is not a common thing by any stretch of the imagination.

all of that is irrelevant to what you posted anyway. you posted that amd were using scare tactics by giving out information about there future cpu plans. thats simply not correct. as i said intel let out information about core2 before its release and i am sure they will do it with their next upgrade aswell.

infact its a very common thing. ati and nvidia also do it. its to generate interest and potential future sales. generating interest/hype of your "soon to be released" product is one of the oldest business practices ever. there is no "scare tactics" in releasing information on a future product pure and simple.

'ere in Aus.
hmm wheres my location again ? :)

[Traehuert Mada]

*Evil Glare* 99% of the people I know online are either Yanks or Brits, so sue me if I'm used to having to put (somewhere) the fact I ain't either a Pom or a Yank.

As I also said, I don't keep track of who's pumping out what new junk nowadays, except if it's a new POS from M$ (eg: Vista) or Sony (eg: PS3), at which point I enforce the facts I hate post-Win98 M$ OSes & 99.999% of the gaming consoles (with the only exception of the N64 or it ancestors).

[specise_8472]

*Evil Glare* 99% of the people I know online are either Yanks or Brits, so sue me if I'm used to having to put (somewhere) the fact I ain't either a Pom or a Yank.



But I assumed you were a POM (Prisoner of Her Majesty);) :)

[Traehuert Mada]

*pulls out a 309mm Tetryon Gatling Gun and aims it in the general direction of s8472* "Hasta La Vista, Baby!" *pulls the trigger pounding s8472 & anything in the general vicinity with millions of tetryon particles.*

Also, it's "Species 8472". Oh, and Traeheurt Mada | Adam Trueheart.