New E4300 Core2Duo, availability and possibilities

[BigDid]

Hello all,

I am interested in buying this proc to pair with a Dual VSTA 775 from ASRock to get a low budget but quite powerfull (with an easy overclocking) C2D solution and re-use my DDR1 Ram and AGP card.

The availability (in France) is 21th of January but it may already be available in Germany or north of Europe.

Questions are any vendors links and/or review tests beside this one: http://xtreview.com/review161.htm ?

Tks and happy new year

Did

Edit: more reviews
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=126278
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-e4300.html
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2903

[BigDid]

Hi again,

The tests given in the links above gives the following o/c:

No changes
Xtreview --> 2.93Ghz
Xbitreview > 2.97Ghz
Max o/c
Xtreview --> 3.305Ghz
Anandtech-> 3.375Ghz
Xbitreview-> 3.420Ghz

For the vendors, I have this list:
http://geizhals.at/eu/a228222.html
Specially this one but without knowing if they ship worldwide (my german is inexistant): http://www.csv-direct.de/artinfo.php?artnr=A0103209

Thanks for any info.

Did

[JoeShrubbery]

Be aware that the ASRock board isn't exactly the best to overclock with. This (http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1908020&frmKeyword=&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear) thread over at the Anandtech forums would a be a good read for you.

I've got a 6300 in one myself, and I'm quite happy with it but I know this chip would be able to overclock a hell of a lot more than the mere 2.1ghz its topping off with in the VSTA-775, barely breaking 40C on full load but limited by how fast that board likes to work at. Basically the FSB tops off at about 300 for most people, instability and the inability to even post are commonplace beyond that.

[BigDid]

Be aware that the ASRock board isn't exactly the best to overclock with.
Hi,

Thanks for the link. Yes I am well aware of that. There is an interesting page (in french) for this board here: http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Hardware/CPU-Mobo-Ram/unique-asrock-775dual-sujet_746206_1.htm
When I state "easy overclocking" I mean a 285Mhz FSB minimum which will give 285*9=2565Mhz and I will be happy with that

I've got a 6300 in one myself,... Basically the FSB tops off at about 300 for most people, instability and the inability to even post are commonplace beyond that.
See the " Configuration / Réglages Bios / Perfs de chacun " sheet, 2 guys have reached 2171 and 2220 with a E6300
There are some options and tweaking you may want to (try) to read.

Did

[VoKuS]

I hear NewEgg.com is going to open up in Europe soon. Dont know if that will help you or not, I use newegg all the time but its currently only in the US. I think...

[arfster]

An alternative to this might be the e6600 - it's only £200 compared to the e4300 at £120 or so.

Reason I say this is that the e4300 at 3.3ghz seems to be benching around the same as 4mbyte cache chips do at 3ghz. On top of that, the e6600 will tend to go to around 3.6ghz with the same sort of cooling setups that are getting 3.3 with the e4300. Thus, for your extra money you're essentially getting another 600mhz or so.

Of course, if you have fast enough ram already, the e6400 is probably the best option since it's barely any more expensive than the e4300 at the moment.

[BigDid]

... Reason I say this is that the e4300 at 3.3ghz seems to be benching around the same as 4mbyte cache chips do at 3ghz. On top of that, the e6600 will tend to go to around 3.6ghz with the same sort of cooling setups that are getting 3.3 with the e4300. Thus, for your extra money you're essentially getting another 600mhz or so.
Maybe for a good mobo but it will be difficult to go upper than 2565 (9*285) with the ASROCK

Of course, if you have fast enough ram already, the e6400 is probably the best option since it's barely any more expensive than the e4300 at the moment.
If I cannot get the E4300, maybe I will go for a E6400 restrained to 2280 (8*285) and re-use my DDR1 Ram and my AGP card (which is the goal).

Did

[BigDid]

Update,

Could not get any vendor selling and shipping worldwide.

The E4300 is now in pre-order for some vendors in France and I made one. It is supposed to ship on the 22th of january.

Wen installed, will let know if it behaves like in the tests.

Did

[Pookie]

Please post your Avisynth benchmark when you do :)

[BigDid]

Please post your Avisynth benchmark when you do :)
Sure I will.

Update:

Order actually shipping (was 179€ first day, actually 172€)

More reviews in french but online translating does exist:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/652-1/1.html
http://www.presence-pc.com/tests/Intel-Core-4300-514/
http://www.clubic.com/article-68436-1-intel-core-2-duo-e4300-intel-pentium-d-935.html

and this one from Matbe:
http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/368/intel-core-2-duo-e4300-et-pentium-d-935/

The test benches audios, videos and other apps like games; also have a general performance index:
http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/368/intel-core-2-duo-e4300-et-pentium-d-935/page13.php
that makes me think the difference between my actual configuration (+- equal to the AMD A64 3800+) @ 88%
is only 12% difference with the stock E4300 but may climb to 12+34=46% when the E4300 is overclocked over 2400Mhz. As they have realized a 3.2Ghz overclocking with air cooling it makes me think the 2.5/2.6 Ghz is really possible.

Did

[BigDid]

Update,

Processor received and temporary assembled with the original fan.

First thoughts and elements:

-Better mount the intel fan outside the case as it is hard to clip and on a flat surface (table).
-For the MB AsRock 775DualVSTA, I had the bios 1.80 pre-installed and couldn't install WinXP until updated to Bios 2.10 :(
So if you fear bios update by dos disk, better buy the 4CORE DUAL-VSTA motherboard which is a more recent revision, you won't have this problem (verified in hardware forums).

I run on a temporary hard drive to see how it reacts;
- It doesn't heat (52°C full load both cores)
- Very reactive feeling
- Easy overclock from 200 (1800) to 267 (2404); still doesn't heat

More infos when available.

Did

[Pookie]

Well done :)

[BigDid]

Well done :)
Well yes and no,

With that 1.80 bios stuff, I had problems with my windows partitions on my HDD so I do have a working SP2 on an empty disk but my WIndows boot partitions are quite messed up :(
BTW I never used the recover documents and parameters assistant from WInXP so if I can figure it out it could be a good occasion to learn :o
If not I guess starting from scratch is not a bad thing as I have transferred my main working partition From SP1 to SP2 and from a Athlon 2400 to 2800 to an AMD64 (754) in the 3 past years... but I need time for that and I don't have much ATM.
Wait and see.

Some tests made with the SP2 on the empty disk:
- Nuclearus went from 3500 for the AMD64
to 5100 for the C2D@1800
to 6700@2400 with some tunings
to 7200@2600
- SuperPi went from 39s for the AMD64
to 33s@1800 defaults settings and RAM @166
to 25s@2400 with Ram@200-1T-3.3.3.8
to 24s@2600
to 23s@2670 with Ram@222(4:3)-1T-2.3.3.6
The Dual VSTA MOBO can have 2T and aggressive timings or 1T (with Ram voltage to High) and SPD timings, not both/ Edited: once overclock stable I was able to tighten the timings at 1T with 2.3.3.6
It also seems both settings give +- same results so, for overclocking, I go with 1T and SPD.
Working @ 2400 until all is settled and stable, 2600 is functional even if not stable tested, so it seems I will reach my goal :)
Edited: rock stable at 9*297= 2670Mhz

Did

[Pookie]

So thumbs up or thumbs down so far ?

[Blue_MiSfit]

They're $176 @ Newegg now - I will get some C2D love happening soon :)

[BigDid]

So thumbs up or thumbs down so far ?

I have been out all the week, coming back home late so I just toyed with the working SP2. I will have part of the week end to see if the mess is recoverable ...

@ Blue_MiSfit
They're $176 @ Newegg now They are now at 165€ at my french internet reseller.

So far, I have made tests with a short divx trailer clip 1 pass encoding with Autogk, results to come soon.

@Pookie,The following may interest you :)
I re-made the tests with the avisynth script and made the MT working so if I don't have the record I should not be far :D

I will post results directly in the avisynth thread soon: /DONE/ http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120371&page=4

Did

Edit: Autogk test for the LastManStanding.divx divx6 trailer (with menus) 1mn 36s
Agk 1 pass, 75% - no audio -

Athlon 64@2420Mhz (see sig)
Duration was: 1 minute, 52 seconds
Speed was: 25,58 fps.
Job finished. Total time: 2 minutes 37 seconds

E4300 stock speed 1800Mhz
Duration was: 1 minute, 15 seconds (-33%)
Speed was: 38,08 fps.
Job finished. Total time: 1 minute, 41 seconds

E4300 speed 2400Mhz
Duration was: 1 minute, 3 seconds (-44%)
Speed was: 45,25 fps.
Job finished. Total time: 1 minute, 27 seconds

[dragongodz]

Old Athlon 64
BigDid - please say the actual model as there is more than 1 thats 2000mz not overclocked. so without the actual model you speed comparisons dont really tell much.

[BigDid]

BigDid - please say the actual model as there is more than 1 thats 2000mz not overclocked. so without the actual model you speed comparisons dont really tell much.
Hi,

It's the one in my signature as my new rig is in testing ...

DId

[dragongodz]

It's the one in my signature
so you mean
AMD64/754-2000
but what model is that ? ok maybe i am reading it wrong but it looks like to me you are saying an amd64, socket 754 at 2000mhz(stock speed). is that correct ? is so then is it a 3000+ or 3200+ as these were the older models released at 2000mhz for socket 754.

[BigDid]

... an amd64, socket 754 at 2000mhz(stock speed)...
Yes

...then is it a 3000+ ... released at 2000mhz for socket 754.
Yes

Sorry for the confusion.

Did

[dragongodz]

Sorry for the confusion.
no problem. :)

it does need to be then pointed out that people should note that the amd cpu being compared to is a single core cpu that sells for $45 at newegg. even overclocked it shouldnt really be expected to be anywhere near the same speed as a $176 dual core cpu even at its stock speed. ;)

[BigDid]

... it does need to be then pointed out that people should note that the amd cpu being compared to is a single core cpu that sells for $45 at newegg...

If you wish so.

It is my old cpu and I share the benches and the settings with the new one actually in testing. I am also willing to answer to any ( sensible ) questions.

Some of the questions preluding this purchase (and some discussions can be found in old threads right here in the hardware section) were:
- 2 cores AMD or Intel
- Cheap Motherboard or not
- What overclocking without changing the cpu voltage
- Can the new E4300 match the more expensive 6400/6600 when overclocked
etc...

Did

[dragongodz]

It is my old cpu and I share the benches and the settings with the new one actually in testing.
of course and nothing wrong with that. its just that for comparisons there needs to be accurate information about whats being compared for it to be reliable and meaningful. thats all.

[BigDid]

Another test in AutoGK
Same source Amélie Poulain, same filtering via AGKPAl
( DCTFun4b(1.8,1).RemoveGrain(mode=5).limitedsharpenfaster(Smode=3, strength=40, soft=-1) )
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] AutoGK 2.40
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Job started.
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Input file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_0.IFO
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Output file: G:\AmelieP\AmelieP.avi
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Output codec: XviD
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Audio: none
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Subtitles: none
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Format: AVI
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Target size: 1160Mb
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Standalone support enabled: MTK/Sigma
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Started encoding.
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Demuxing and indexing.
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Processing file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_1.VOB
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Processing file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_2.VOB
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Processing file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_3.VOB
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Processing file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_4.VOB
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Processing file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_5.VOB
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Processing file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_6.VOB
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Processing file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_7.VOB
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Source resolution: 720x576
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Found PAL source.
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Analyzing source.
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 1,58
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Source is considered to be progressive.
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Output will contain 174958 frames
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Forcing encoding with sharp matrix.
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Picking up credits information.
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Credits start frame: 168875
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Credits quality percentage: 35
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Overhead: 0 bytes (0.00 Mb)
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Video size: 1,216,348,160 bytes (1160.00 Mb)

Old rig: (see sig) Athlon 3000/754 @ 2420Mhz
[26/12/2006 05:16:07] Duration was: 11 minutes 32 seconds
[26/12/2006 05:16:07] Speed was: 12,62 fps.
[26/12/2006 05:16:08] Compressibility percentage is: 60,70
[26/12/2006 05:16:08] Chosen resolution is: 640x272 ( AR: 2,35 )
[26/12/2006 05:16:08] Predicted comptest value is: 74,62%
[26/12/2006 05:16:08] Running first pass.
...
[26/12/2006 07:43:31] Duration was: 2 hours 27 minutes 22 seconds
[26/12/2006 07:43:31] Speed was: 19,79 fps.
[26/12/2006 07:43:31] Expected quality of first pass size: 72,17%
[26/12/2006 07:43:31] Running second pass.
[26/12/2006 10:43:25] Duration was: 2 hours 59 minutes 53 seconds
[26/12/2006 10:43:25] Speed was: 16,21 fps.
[26/12/2006 10:43:25] Job finished. Total time: 5 hours 47 minutes 5 seconds

New rig: Intel C2d E4300 @ 2400 with Setmt(2,0)
[04/02/2007 13:11:20] Duration was: 5 minutes 8 seconds
[04/02/2007 13:11:20] Speed was: 28,33 fps.
[04/02/2007 13:11:20] Compressibility percentage is: 60,72
[04/02/2007 13:11:20] Chosen resolution is: 640x272 ( AR: 2,35 )
[04/02/2007 13:11:20] Predicted comptest value is: 74,65%
[04/02/2007 13:11:20] Running first pass.
...
[04/02/2007 14:13:00] Duration was: 1 hour, 1 minute, 40 seconds
[04/02/2007 14:13:00] Speed was: 47,28 fps.
[04/02/2007 14:13:01] Expected quality of first pass size: 72,19%
[04/02/2007 14:13:01] Running second pass.
[04/02/2007 15:24:00] Duration was: 1 hour, 10 minutes 58 seconds
[04/02/2007 15:24:00] Speed was: 41,08 fps.
[04/02/2007 15:24:00] Job finished. Total time: 2 hours 24 minutes 26 seconds

Encoding is more than twice less time (2.36/2.38/2.53)
Total time is also more than twice less time (2.4)

Did

[Pookie]

Nice. Perhaps I overlooked it - did you use the stock heatsink to overclock ?

[BigDid]

Nice. Perhaps I overlooked it - did you use the stock heatsink to overclock ?
Yes, just used it out of the box; I will (should) change the heatsink for a Thermalright SI 128 with a Textorm or Noiseblocker 12cm fan.

Hardware forumers recommend to stick with BIOS 2.10 to get the stock fan turning at 900rpm in idle; it is reported with Bios 2.20 and over that the fan will stay around 1700 in idle ...

Did

[BigDid]

Update,

The C2D series prices will be going down sooner than expected (april 22th), see: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=121978

Done some tests @ 2400 and 1800Mhz, the Xvid/Xbench: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=958182#post958182

And @ 1800 Megui-x264:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=961991#post961991

@ 2630 same Megui-x264 test: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=960089#post960089

Testing between 2600 to 2700 atm. I expect to have a functional config @+- 2700 :)

Todo:
- Plug the fans to my old fan control box (the AsRock has only 2 fan plugs 1 for the proc, 1 for the Mb). I still have the side and rear fan to connect, so the case is open atm
- Change the proc fan from the stock to the Thermalright SI128, patiently waiting.
- Migrates data from old HD to new ones 1/3 done

Did

[Dexter1979]

Hiya DID,

:goodpost:

Have been following this tread with interest. I also have just bought a 775dual-vsta (BIOS 1.7 on board) and a e4300.
Would you recommend BIOS 2.1 to get a nice overclock at 2.4ghz? Did you just put the FSB to 266 or did you change any other settings to get to that level? I'm a total n00b when it comes to overclocking but am very excited about the prospect of a free speedboost. :devil: I have yet to assemble the system in question btw :)

[BigDid]

... I also have just bought a 775dual-vsta (BIOS 1.7 on board) and a e4300.
Would you recommend BIOS 2.1 to get a nice overclock at 2.4ghz?

Hi,

I would recommend, as the first thing to do, to update the bios to the 2.10 see my post n° 11.
I could not boot to windows and my previous windows install just went havoc so better do (before) a backup of files and params with the assistant unless you start with a new HD or partition :(

Did you just put the FSB to 266 or did you change any other settings to get to that level?
No other change, just raise the FSB to 266

My actual o/c is 9x295 = 2660 still testing.
More infos on your ram and Graphic card would be appreciated.

Did

[Dexter1979]

I actually have 667 mhz DDR2 RAM and a PCI-E x1950pro graphics card (I know, why did I get a 775dual-vsta.... long story!)
Will prob buy a different motherboard in time.

Anyways, 2.4ghz will do me fine.. don't need to push it any further I'd say. Thanks for your quick reply btw :)

[BigDid]

I actually have 667 mhz DDR2 RAM and a PCI-E x1950pro graphics card (I know, why did I get a 775dual-vsta.... long story!)
:thanks:

Anyways, 2.4ghz will do me fine.. don't need to push it any further I'd say. Thanks for your quick reply btw :)
Take your time, any hardware forum confirms it, you can go up to 280/285 without problems and all parameters at defaut :)

Did

[Dexter1979]

you can go up to 280/285 without problems and all parameters at defaut :)

Did

Might try that. Reaching 333 mhz and 1:1 memory divider is out of the question with this mobo and stock cooler anyways. My 667mhz Ram should be able to do 280 on 1:1 easily. Would be a could performace gain. 2.57 Ghz from 1.8 is pretty darn good for the price of the mobo and CPU. :)

[Dexter1979]

Hey Did,

I build the system and it is currently running stable at 2.4Ghz with my old AGP Radeon x800XL :)
I'm waiting for a power adapter since I thought I had a PCI-Express plug on my 450-WATT PSU but I don't.. :(

You said you were running around 285mhz FSB yourself. Are you using the stock cooler or alternative cooling? I must say this chip does not get hot at all. Mine runs at 30 degrees idle. My old athlon XP 3200 would run at 55 idle. Would be like a little heater when I left it running overnight in my small bedroom and the door closed. Will try my luck at a higher FSB in a bit and see how far I can take it :cool:

[BigDid]

You said you were running around 285mhz FSB yourself. Are you using the stock cooler ...
Yes, still stockcooler; should change this week end.


... I must say this chip does not get hot at all. In Bios 2.10, you can safely use bios defaut params for speedstep; fan will stay low (+-950rpm) until core/cpu temp reaches +-52°Celsius, than will rise to max speed (+-2800rpm) until temp goes down , than the fan will go down again.

If you don't like this yoyo thing, you can use speedfan but you will have to disable speedstep in the bios to let speedfan take control :cool:

Will try my luck at a higher FSB in a bit and see how far I can take it :cool:
Reached the wall @ 297 which gives 2673 full speed and 23s in SuperPI :D

Did

[Blue_MiSfit]

I'm SO getting a 4300 when I can afford a full system upgrade :D

I would just get it and one of the boards that can run DDR400 memory, but I really want to get 2 gigs of good DDR2 800 so that I can really push things up.

If only my lovely Zalman cooler had an LGA775 adapter :D

~MiSfit

[BigDid]

I'm SO getting a 4300 when I can afford a full system upgrade :D

I would just get it and one of the boards that can run DDR400 memory, but I really want to get 2 gigs of good DDR2 800 so that I can really push things up.

If only my lovely Zalman cooler had an LGA775 adapter :D

~MiSfit
Hi Misfit,

My upgrade roadmap could be:

1/ Get 2 giga of DDR2 +1 year

2/ Get a midrange PciExpress +2 years

3/ Get a better mobo to push things up +3 years

But maybe at that time it will be time to get DDr4, PciExpress 3 and a new x8 processor to get all that running :D

Atm I am really satisfied with what I have. I just have to get those extra fans running, close my case (34°Celsius indoor early afternoon) and update my config :)

Did

[Dexter1979]

I have a X1950pro PCI-express card laying here but can't install it since my PSU has no PCI-E plug. Waiting for an adapter and will try my luck then getting a higher overclock. Still did not go any higher then 266FSB. Happy with this now. Went from a Athlon XP 3200+ to this monster! All good!

[Inventive Software]

@Did: a better motherboard and you can get that baby up to about 400 MHz FSB. I intend on getting an Abit P5B motherboard, since they rock with overclocking (450 MHz with an E6300, according to PC Format!).

[BigDid]

@Did: a better motherboard and you can get that baby up to about 400 MHz FSB. I intend on getting an Abit P5B motherboard, since they rock with overclocking (450 MHz with an E6300, according to PC Format!).
I know that, if you can point me to a better 775 MB that accepts
-DDR1
-AGP 8x

for a reasonable price, I will buy it ;)

@Dexter1979, your PSU may be the limiting factor, mine is a good 400w and is limit (doesn't p.o.s.t sometimes)

Did

[Inventive Software]

Er, can't help you there since they're depeciated technologies. :D

[BigDid]

Er, can't help you there since they're depeciated technologies. :D
Interesting, I will add it to my sig :D

So if you have(buy) a config with ...high tech, you are welcome to share your experience and first steps.

Did

[Dexter1979]

@Dexter1979, your PSU may be the limiting factor, mine is a good 400w and is limit (doesn't p.o.s.t sometimes)


My PSU is a 450 WATT one. Should be enough. Only have 1 dvd drive, 2 sata HD's, 2 sticks of RAM and 2 fans on it. Should drain to much for my X1950 pro... and if it does I will buy a new one :p

For now I'm getting Page Error in Non Page Area blue screens in windows so I think I need to adjust the memory timings a bit. Would setting it to 533mhz with RAM flexibility option turn on help? I will try that when I am home. At work now :(

[BigDid]

Would setting it to 533mhz with RAM flexibility option turn on help? I will try that when I am home.
Hi,

My experience in overclocking is don't hunt more than 1 rabbit at the same time :cool:

My recommendation was (and still is) all params at default until things are settled.
Considering RAM, my reading of a french hardware forum (I have DDR1 not DDR2) for PC5400 ram is:
- auto will give you a 4:3 ratio
- auto/flexibility off 1:1 ratio

There is also 1t or 2t DRAM Command Rate to consider, default is 2t

See this pic: http://walkover.free.fr/hfr/ratio%20ram_fsb.jpg

Did

[Dexter1979]

I reloaded BIOS defaults, put the CPU back at 266 FSB and left the memory settings alone (as in Auto and flexability off)

Ram is now 1:1 533mhz with correct SPD timings and CPU back to 2.4ghz. It was running out of sync at 667 and it didn't like it.. at least I hope thats what it was :D

I'm running Orthos at the moment to stress test the CPU but am not expecting any problems.

[foxyshadis]

Er, can't help you there since they're depeciated technologies. :D

Deprecated. ;_; Depreciated means its value has dropped (typically monetary), deprecated means obselete. The former usually applies, but it's not really what's meant....

Just a FYI. =p

[Inventive Software]

I thought they were the same word, and people just spelling it wrong! :p

[dragongodz]

actually FYI

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
dep·re·cate /ˈdɛprɪˌkeɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[dep-ri-keyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -cat·ed, -cat·ing.
1. to express earnest disapproval of.
2. to urge reasons against; protest against (a scheme, purpose, etc.).
3. to depreciate; belittle.
4. Archaic. to pray for deliverance from.
[Origin: 1615–25; < L déprecātus prayed against, warded off (ptp. of déprecārī), equiv. to dé- de- + prec(ārī) to pray + -ātus -ate1]

Free On-line Dictionary of Computing -
deprecated
Said of a program or feature that is considered obsolescent and in the process of being phased out, usually in favour of a specified replacement. Deprecated features can, unfortunately, linger on for many years. This term appears with distressing frequency in standards documents when the committees writing the documents realise that large amounts of extant (and presumably happily working) code depend on the feature(s) that have passed out of favour.
See also dusty deck.
[The Jargon File]

[BigDid]

Ladies and gentlemen,

After this master course I have no choice but to comply and change my sentence to include "deprecated".
(Where is my Harrap's :scared: )

Did

[Inventive Software]

Sorry Did. I blame new English! :D

[Dexter1979]

Didn't realise there was new English? I am still stuggeling with the old one :D

And as a follow up on my RAM post, I'm running stable now at 2.4Ghz. Will try and push it further over the weekend. See how far it will go. Should have my new X1950pro then as well :devil:

Also, this chip doesn't heat up at all. I have speedstep enable and the fan doesn't go over the 1000 RPM. The CPU was at 39 degrees Celsius after running Orthos for 4 hours!! Unbelievable! And that under a stock fan! Don't think I will get another fan unless I change the motherboard and want to overclock further. I am a huge AMD fan but Core 2 is kicking their behinds!! If any AMD staff are reading this: GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!! :D