burners with "hardware" CCS and Archoss?

[gdk771]

I read on a forum where someone was complaining that his Pioneer DVR-111 had problems reading CCS and Archoss encoded DVD's and said after research the drives were intentionally designed not to read these DVD's properly. This sounds like BS to me but I was wondering if there is any truth to this or if he just had a defective drive?

[CWR03]

I read on a forum where someone was complaining that his Pioneer DVR-111 had problems reading CCS and Archoss encoded DVD's and said after research the drives were intentionally designed not to read these DVD's properly.
Pretty much all production DVD's are CSS-encrypted. For a particular drive to not be able to read DVD movies at all would be ridiculous. The drive has aparrently been designed to prevent the backup of Sony's SafeDisk-protected games. It's possible that it also can't handle ripping ARccOS-protected disks, since it's also a Sony protection, but it should be able to read and play them.

[gdk771]

So I guess the new NEC drive will not rip the Sony protocols either since it is now made in partnership with Sony? Are there any drives that are not 'crippled' like this?

[dragongodz]

It's possible that it also can't handle ripping ARccOS-protected disks
arccos is sector errors which are not used anyway. so using something like dvddecryptor will fill in these with dummy sectors. its also best to clean these up afterwards with something like vobblanker etc anyway. i think you will be hard pressed to find any burner that reads bad sectors as anything but bad.

as for css the 111 reads them perfectly fine. anyone telling you they have been purposefully hampered in that way is telling you bulldust, pure and simple.

The drive has aparrently been designed to prevent the backup of Sony's SafeDisk-protected games
where do you get this information from ?
i am not a big game player so cant really test but let me show you where others have.
http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/Pioneer-DVR-111-DVD-Burner-Review/Advanced-tests.html
hmm so copies up to SD 2.51 but higher versions it fails to reproduce playable versions.

well maybe other burners can do better.

lite-on
http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/Lite-On-SHM-165H6S-Super-AllWrite-DVD-Burner-Review/DVD-RAM--Advanced-tests.html
hmm a bit better but still fails with the latest versions of SD.

NEC
http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/NEC-ND-4551A-DVD-Writer-Review/Advanced-tests.html
hmm no better than the pioneer.

asus
http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/ASUS-DRW-1608P3S-DVD-Burner-Review/Advanced-Tests.html
again no better.

plextor 716a
http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/Plextor-PX-716A-DVD-Recorder/Advanced-Tests.html
hmm again no better.

plextor 755a
http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/Plextor-PX-755A-DVD-Burner-Review/Advanced-tests.html
worst of all.

the fact is protections like SD are designed to not be copied easily. to create usable backups the error sectors have to be recreated exactly and that is something burners are simply not designed to do properly.

[gdk771]

Very useful info. Great review site as well. I have one final question, I am going to get a Pioneer drive but I can't seem to find a review on the DVR-701 that my local Frys has. Is this a newer drive than the DVR-111? I don't understand why they took such a huge jump in model numbers.

[dragongodz]

the DVR-701 that my local Frys has. Is this a newer drive than the DVR-111?
from what i can gather the 701 IS just a 111D.

for example they share the same firmware update here
http://www.pioneerpurevision.com/pna/service/support/article/0,,2076_4249_300588654,00.html

though you can actually find later firmware just listed for the 111d. so ye i dont know where this numbering came from or why there was any need for it.