Ice Age 2 DVD-RB Prepare Problem

[Capsbackup]

Trying to back up Ice Age 2, Region 1 NTSC, with DVD-RB 1.12.1 Pro. No special copy protection on this disc, so I did a straight DVDDecrypter rip in file mode. DVD-RB will not even complete the prepare stage ; DVD-RB stops responding before reporting " - HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates:", thus cannot continue with " Rebuild " phase.

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[20:39:16] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- DVD-RB v1.12.1
- AVISYNTH 2.5.6.0
- CCE 2.67.0.27 encoder selected.
- VTSM_02: 185,178 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 3,749 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 5 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 1 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTSM_03: 184,774 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 3,730 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 5 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 1 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTSM_04: 35,448 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 3,237 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 5 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 1 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTSM_05: 47,031 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 4,048 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 5 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 1 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 120,541 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 12,726 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 181,040 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 19,154 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 247,692 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 28,684 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTSM_09: 33,562 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 3,838 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 2,074,341 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 130,332 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_10: 69,427 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 7,461 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_11: 171,118 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 17,140 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_12: 373,256 sectors.
-- ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING is present.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
- Processed 194.7MB ILVU section...
- Processed 196.6MB ILVU section...
- Processed 181.9MB ILVU section...
- Processed 154.8MB ILVU section...
-- Processed 50,319 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_13: 143,220 sectors.
-- ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING is present.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
- Processed 101.8MB ILVU section...
- Processed 177.4MB ILVU section...
-- Processed 19,322 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 54.1%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,632/2,105Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,256,010KB

[TBL]

Same thing happened on R2 disc too. I planned to report it, but as my memory is, I forgot :o I don't remember which disc it was, but the prepare phase did a metric buttload of files to working dir. IIRC it finalized the prepare after a _long_ wait, but in the end I gave up and increased the vts_min_size (I have 50000 commented out in the .ini, it might have been it). After that it worked great.

[jdobbs]

I'll pick it up and give it a test. What software (and version) did you use to rip it?

[Capsbackup]

I used DVDDecrypter 3.5.4.0 , and also tried it with DVDFabDecrypter 3038, but there does not appear to be any new copy protection on this disc.

[Rippraff]

To rule out that it's a ripping problem you could try RipIt4Me (http://www.ripit4me.org/download.html) as well.

Cu Rippraff

[Capsbackup]

Yeah, I will try that. But I checked all VTS's and unless there is some new protection scheme, nothing was apparent. There does seem to be a large amount of cells and menu VOB's... VTS_02_0 = 361MB, VTS_03_0 = 360MB, VTS_04_0 = 69.2MB, VTS_05_0 = 91.8MB, VTS_09_0 = 65.5MB (VTS_09 is the main movie VTS). VTS_12 and VTS_13 are multi angle.

[Capsbackup]

Just ran the prepare phase with menu encoding turned off and it worked. Looks like it will be a challenge to get a good quality backup of this movie at this compression level.

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[08:13:12] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- DVD-RB v1.12.1
- AVISYNTH 2.5.6.0
- CCE 2.67.0.27 encoder selected.
- VTS_06: 120,541 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 12,726 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 181,040 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 19,154 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 247,692 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 28,684 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 2,074,341 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 130,332 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_10: 69,427 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 7,461 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_11: 171,118 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 17,140 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_12: 373,256 sectors.
-- ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING is present.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
- Processed 194.7MB ILVU section...
- Processed 196.6MB ILVU section...
- Processed 181.9MB ILVU section...
- Processed 154.8MB ILVU section...
-- Processed 50,319 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_13: 143,220 sectors.
-- ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING is present.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
- Processed 101.8MB ILVU section...
- Processed 177.4MB ILVU section...
-- Processed 19,322 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 52.1%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,585/2,068Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,002,530KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 7,464/400/2,068 Kbs
[08:21:07] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 8 minutes.

[kurt]

maybe this thread helps: http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=74270

This one has got to take the cake for the number of cells in it .... has to do with a Game(s) on the disk

[jdobbs]

...Looks like it will be a challenge to get a good quality backup of this movie at this compression level...Actually those computer animations are easily compressible. You'll probably do alright at 52%.

[TBL]

I'll pick it up and give it a test. What software (and version) did you use to rip it?

It was maybe about a month ago. I used the latest RI4M available. I agree with the posted comment that it very likely appears to hang because it has so many cells and therefore segments. I remember now that it was the bonus disc with all the games etc. in it. I've never seen more files in the working directory. BTW I did it with the menu encoding off, there's a lot of BOVs in the bonus disc.

So, nothing to worry about. RB works like it should (as always) :)

[jdobbs]

I never got out of the house today -- helping my wife get ready for family (Thanksgiving) tomorrow. The house smells like apple pie... :) -- it's making me very hungry. Hopefully I'll be able to pick "Ice Age 2" up tonight for testing.

[Capsbackup]

You are correct jdobbs, the backup turned out very nice, better quality than I thought was possible at such a high compression rate. No problems with DVD-RB as long as menu encoding was not selected. I did adjust the bitrates thru the video segment editor to reduce the extra VTS's and increase the main movie. I was able to get all segments above 3000kbps, and CCE does a wonderful job on animation at that bitrate. Of course, your program is the key to provide the highest quality backups possible, with such minimal effort and cost. May Santa, your donations, or hopefully your wife bring you much happiness this holiday season. Thanks again for your replies and a great program!!

[blutach]

There's over 7,000 buttons in the games in the VTS 2 and 3 menus. If you do a movie only, I bet it will go real easy.

Regards

[Adub]

7,000 buttons! no wonder ripit4me takes so damn long!

[jdobbs]

I'm testing this one right now. The menu for VTS_03 has 2748 segments. Looks like a lot of stills. As soon as it's done I'll be able to see if/why it is oversizing. A good guess would be the huge number of stills... we'll see.

[jdobbs]

Well, with v1.20.x the build came out perfectly size for me (4.32GB). It definitely took longer than usual, though, and created a very large log.

One thing I did notice and I'll look at is that the Viewer/Editor's size estimate is way off on this disc.