Deinterlace PAL in 720x556

[ndwpgd]

Hi,
I have sport ( fast movement and travelling) events captured in PAL 720x576 in interlaced mode that I want to edit. I tried many capture modes, tools and filters but no one was able to produce a decent “progressive like” still picture, except when I deleted all the odd (or even) lines and thus reduce to 360x288.

As soon as you transfer to a PC, whether you finally produce mpeg2, xvid, you get a nice film, but every paused image that contains movement is awfully interlaced (on every PC viewer or after transfer to xvid or VOB DVD to the TV). I really wonder what all these deinterlace filters do, because I only see marginal to no improvement on the mice teeth (I tried Virtualdub-MPEG2 1.6.15 build 24600 with original filters, those from Gunnar Thalin , field shift, blend, unfold, etc)

Funnily, if you simply play on a TV from your camcorder or even after recording on a DVD recorder (..VOB mode), you get the hi quality interlaced film in 720x576 and when you pause, you get a nice non-interlaced picture (I presume that only one frame is extended from 288 to 576 to achieve this).

Is there a solution to improve this ?

Hardware:
JVC camcorder GR-DVL-9000 on miniDV cassettes in hiQ 720x576 PAL output via S-video.
Plextor M402U
Philips DVD recorder 3355
PC PIII 1000 512MB XP SP2 build 2600

[Guest]

I only see marginal to no improvement on the mice teeth You must be doing something wrong then. Try SmartDeinterlacer and give us your settings and before and after frame grabs.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Why do you want to de-interlace?

Personally I would keep your MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 encodes "interlaced" and at 720x576 pixels... They'll look great when spun in a stand-alone player because (unlike many software players) hardware chip-sets fully support interlaced content :D

[ndwpgd]

Thks for these quick replies.
Neuron2: I could not find Smartdeintelacer, the http://sauron.mordor.net/dgraft/smart.html does not reply. Do you have another link? or is it the same as SmoothDeinterlace plugin for virtualdub : deinterlace - smooth v1.1http://home.bip.net/gunnart/video/#deinterlacesmooth) , because i tried with several paramaters and it does not change much.
The following picture is extracted from from the original vob (interlaced)
http://www.helpmyorg.com/interlaced.png
Only by using a filter like the internal virtualdub deinterlace with as parameter "duplicate field2" can I get something like below, of course the field is now of 288 quality instead of 576.
http://www.helpmyorg.com/deinterlaced.png

SeeMoreDigital: because I dunno how to produce mpeg2 output without unnecessarily reencoding. Virtualdub only outputs avi, thus I must encode xvid or uncompressed which produces terabites (or what do i do wrong?). Then I only have Intervideo Win DVD creator to produce VOBs, and that reencodes everything. Do you recommend an open tool to produce full DVD format?
Also, if I produce xvid in true 576, still images on my stand-alone player show the interlaced picture as above

[setarip_old]

Try the following link instead:

http://neuron2.net/

And then click on "Mine" to see a list of Donald Graft's filters (Scroll down past the AviSynth filters to see the VirtualDub filters)

[SeeMoreDigital]

SeeMoreDigital: because I dunno how to produce mpeg2 output without unnecessarily reencoding. Virtualdub only outputs avi, thus I must encode xvid or uncompressed which produces terabites (or what do i do wrong?). Then I only have Intervideo Win DVD creator to produce VOBs, and that reencodes everything. Do you recommend an open tool to produce full DVD format?
Also, if I produce xvid in true 576, still images on my stand-alone player show the interlaced picture as aboveIf you use VirtualDub (with say, FFDshow's DV decoder filter), it should be possible to generate "interlaced" MPEG-4 (Xvid or DivX) video streams directly from your "interlaced" DV.avi source ;)

Make sure XviD's encoder is configured to do "Interlaced Encoding" with "Top Field First"


Cheers

[ndwpgd]

wow, finally a deinterlace filter that works ! many thanks setarip_old.
I used v2.7 beta without any problem so far. For those who might be interested, look at the following extracts from the xvix avi's that I produced with smart.vdf
First the original VOB interlaced. Big teeth for the horse's head that moves fast, and also a little bot of saws on the body of the lady, because there is a slow moving travelling. Zoom in to see the details.
http://www.helpmyorg.com/full.png

Then by dedoubling every line, thus in fact 288 :
http://www.helpmyorg.com/half.png

And with the smart filter, all parameters by default:
http://www.helpmyorg.com/smart.png

SeeMoreDIgital: why do you insist to keep it interlaced? Is there a method to display a non interlaced picture when I hit pause on the stand-alone player? I mean in xvid avi mode, because i didnt figure out yet how to produce quality VOB files that follow the complex DVD structure with authoring, etc (I use Win DVD Creator). Is there a good open source tool for this?
Thks in advance,

[SeeMoreDigital]

SeeMoreDIgital: why do you insist to keep it interlaced? Because it helps keep detail that's often lost by de-interlacing...

You wont notice much difference on a "software" PC/monitor set-up but will on a "hardware" TV/stand-alone set-up...


Each to their own though...

[setarip_old]

wow, finally a deinterlace filter that works ! many thanks setarip_old.Although it was certainly my pleasure to provide you with a valid link, all of your thanks should go to "neuron2" (Otherwise known as Donald Graft ;>})...