Oversizing, v1.12.1

[Jeff Mott]

I am encoding the film 'Take the Lead,' but the result is 4.39 GiB -- too big for a DVD-5 disc. I've attached the log and ini files because I really don't know what to look for. If anyone needs anything else to find the problem, let me know. Any insight is appreciated.

[blutach]

Can't see your INI file yet as jdobbs has not approved the attachments, but if you have a TargetSectors line in it, reduce it by 5000. Also, OPV has been known to oversize; perhaps a 2 pass would be in order?

Next time, you can attach text files using cut and paste, if you like. :)

Regards

[Jeff Mott]

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[Jeff Mott]

Note: Minor editing to shorten text. Cuts from the log are shown by an ellipsis and used where there are many redundant lines.

- Detected ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING on source.
[11:25:44] One Click encoding activated...
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[11:25:45] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
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[blutach]

It took 5 hours to do the rebuild????? Even with 220 segments in one of the VTSs, there's something wrong there.

Regards

[Jeff Mott]

That probably includes that time that it was waiting for me to say 'Ok' to the message that the data would not fit on the disc.

[blutach]

Long time making up your mind. :)

Regards

[jdobbs]

Is this the NTSC version? The reason I ask is that I've done that disc... I'll do it again just to be sure. What did you use to rip it?

[Rippraff]

Is this the NTSC version?
I guess yes, as you won't see this on PAL sources. ;)
- Overall Bitrate : 2,715/2,172Kbs
Cu Rippraff

[Jeff Mott]

NTSC version—yes. I don't recall which ripper I used, but I always try _DVD Decrypter_ first, and if that fails then I use _DVDFab Decrypter_.

[laserfan]

I too had an oversize with 1.12.1--I recall having used the Editor to blank some stuff, and then when I re-allocated the saved space to the Feature, I selected "4.34Gb" which according to the window was "Target within limits" (I use default targetsectors).

Just wondering Jeff did you use the editor like this?

Also to others: Is 4.34 SUPPOSED to be OK, or should I always target 4.32Gb instead? I was only over by 2Mb, but I had to run the thing thru Shrink before burning... Not a big deal but thought I'd throw this out here.

[Rippraff]

Just wondering Jeff did you use the editor like this?
No he didn't.

Also to others: Is 4.34 SUPPOSED to be OK, or should I always target 4.32Gb instead?
I guess there'll be different opinions. ;)
I'm working with higher values (4.37 GB) but I always use excellent media (Taiyo Yuden 8x) which give also good quality on the outer edge of the discs. I don't use OPV with these high target sectors and every now and then I got an oversized result, but in these rare cases I just reencode the credits.
But I haven't tried 1.12.1 so far.

Cu Rippraff

[blutach]

Depending on if the encoder is accurate, 4.34 should be fine.

Regards

[Jeff Mott]

I just had the exact same issue again; this time with the movie _Cars_.

[jdobbs]

Could you also check your output directory? It's possible you may have some additional subdirectories (junk) in your DVDFILES folder left by some other package (I've seen it happen). There should be nothing there except AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS. The AUDIO_TS directory should be empty and the VIDEO_TS folder should have nothing but IFO, BUP, and VOB files. If you find anything else -- delete it.

If that's not it, something is definitely wrong with your setup... I've done both of those DVDs (at least the NTSC version) and they came out correctly sized. I'd suggest you uninstall everything (including CCE and AVISYNTH). Then install CCE first, followed by DVD-RB installation (using the full installer). The DVD-RB Installer will install AVISYNTH for you.

[Jeff Mott]

I uninstalled RB and deleted the program files directory for it, then installed it again. _Cars_ compressed correctly after this. I'm trying _Take the Lead_ now. I'm expecting this to work now as well, though I'll still post back to let you know if it has. I don't know what went wrong with the first install of RB, but whatever it was appears to be fixed now.

[Voodoochild]

I used latest version last night. I always aim for 4.32G and got exactly that.
I always do 3 pass, CCEAQM = 1
Strange maybe u should try another movie, just to see if three really an over size issue or it's just this DVD...

[jdobbs]

@Jeff Mott

Well I definitely owe you an apology of some kind. I just redid "Take The Lead" -- and it came out to 4.39GB. Don't know what happened since the last time I did it. This only thing I can think that changed is that I used CCE Basic this time (to match your setup), and last time I used CCE SP. I doubt that's related, though.

That's the first oversize I've ever personally experienced.

I'll do some investigating and give you an update (probably tomorrow). I think I may do "Cars" again too, just to see.

[jdobbs]

Interesting. I think it actually is the fact that it is being encoded with CCE Basic. I looked at it and there are a huge number of segments -- and many of them (most?) are small (less than 60 frames). There are sometimes problems in CCE when you try to encode very short segments if there isn't plenty of bitrate -- so I've instituted a minimum bitrate for segments that have less than 60 frames (in CCE SP, however, it's handled a little differently). Normally it wouldn't make enough of a difference to worry about correcting for it -- but with the large number of short segments in that DVD it seems to be enough to push it over.

I'll keep checking to be sure, and if I find this is truly the cause, I'll go back through my code and add corrections in size for the actual bitrate used on short segments.

I'm glad this came up again. I did a search and someone reported something similar in this link (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=115957&highlight=take+the+lead) and when I tested it (using CCE SP), it came out a little larger than usual (4.35GB) but still small enough for a DVD-5. In that report there were some other surrounding issues that made it difficult to narrow down.

Good catch.

[Jeff Mott]

_Take the Lead_ came out oversized again, so it was apparently a very strange fluke that _Cars_ worked on its second try.

Thanks, jdobbs. It's good to hear you're working on it. DVD-RB is mad sexy. Keep up the good work! :)

[jdobbs]

It's probably more likely that "Take The Lead" is the fluke. I don't know what they used to author that disc... but the VOBID/CELLID numbering in the ILVU section is a mess, and that's what's causing the tiny segments. VTS_05 is broken out into 220 distinct VOBID/CELLID combinations, and for no reason I can see.

[techmule]

Have you tried changing the encoders HC, CCE, procoder ???, it might be that a new version of encoder is causing this problem like HC 19.1 ??

[Jeff Mott]

Hi, jdobbs. I'm sure this isn't what you wanted to hear, but I'm still getting a slightly oversized backup on _Take the Lead_ with v1.20.4. The image size came out to 4,502 MB (roughly 4.4 GB). :(

It'd be nice if I could just switch to CCE-SP to solve this problem, but there's no way I can shell out $2,000 for it.

[jdobbs]

Hmmm... I'll look at it again.

[Jeff Mott]

Sorry. My mistake. I updated RB on my laptop, but not on my desktop, where my ripped files for _Take the Lead_ were. The new version worked perfectly. Thanks, jdobbs!

[jdobbs]

Good news. Thanks.