HiDef DVD-Rs?

[remainz]

HI

Can I make my own HiDef DVDs for HDMI connected DVD players and TVs?

I make my own films and use Maestro most of the time. But I will make an Art installation next for a HiDef LCD. And will be out of my depth as Maestro has nothing HiDef in it.
I know that there are DVD players that connect via HDMI to the LCD Hi Def TVs that are pretty cheap now, so...
Can I make HiDef DVD-Rs that will play on these players?
If so what software should I use?
I have noticed that DVD Studio pro does HiDef stuff but thats all I know and I dont touch macs unless I have a gun at my head.

thanks Remainz

[remainz]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=112391

This above thread is very interesting but doesnt explain the basics Im after. Its too in depth, admitedly.
Can I make a HiDef DVD-Video on a 4.7Gb DVD-R and play it on a cheapish HD DVD player as HI Def to a HD TV?

thanks remainz

[jshumate]

The answer is probably not. You have a couple of choices here to get something to work.

1) Convert to HD Divx AND have a player capable of playing back the Divx in HD. Very very few DVD players support this.
http://www.divx.com
has a list of HD Divx certified players, but I'd ask someone who owns one in a forum first if it REALLY plays back in HD from a DVD+-R disc before I bought one.
2) It has been reported that Ulead product can author HD-DVD format to DVD+-R and that the current Toshiba HD-DVD player can play these discs back. I think HD-DVD players, burners and media are all expensive right now though.

[remainz]

I get the idea.
thanks for that

I guess I was jumping the mark when I read about HDMI connected (standard) DVD players. Why O Why???

I have tried making HD DVDs in DVD studio pro now. And guess what. They do not even play in Apples own DVD player,latest version, even though it said it could on their website. The DVD-R disks burned from the DVDstudiopro did not even load on a PC and certainly not in my DVD players.

Also I ve read up on Ulead software. They only mention making an HD DVD for playing off of your own Hard Drive.

So thats also useless.

remainz

[jshumate]

I'm not a Ulead fan at all, but guys at
http://www.dvdrhelp.com
in the forums there swear that they have made HD-DVD with Ulead, burned it to DVD+-R and it was in HD-DVD format (they use something different than VIDEO_TS, so it's pretty easy to check for it), and it played on the Toshiba player. It may be that you have to make the HD-DVD to the hard disk and then just copy that to DVD+-R, but I don't know.

[kingtim]

I think someone could make a bit of money by writing an add-on, patch whatever for Spruce DVDMaestro so it could deal with HD. If even it is possible?

Making a HD-DVD for playing off your HDD? What's the point in that?

[remainz]

"writing an add-on, patch whatever for Spruce DVDMaestro"
thats what DVD Studio Pro is :P

[Eric69]

Bottom line here -

HD & BD Disc are a thing of the future for the most part. Burners are not really on the market yet. No Players are really on the market yet.

In fact only 25,000 players exist in the world today.

Ulead, DVDSP, Scenarist are the only products available to mutliplex a HD-DVD and even these are incorrect according to the spec. BD discs are still in the hands of engineers.

It will come just not yet.

[kingtim]

Yeah, but DVD SP is only available on Apple. For us PC users it's not that useful.

I didn't think Ulead had released their HD software yet. Not that I'm a fan.

[jshumate]

kingtim - Please read my previous post. I thought I was pretty clear that at the DVDRHelp forums there are guys who say they have used Ulead on PCs to burn HD-DVD format to DVD+-R discs. Nobody there said anything about this Ulead product not being released yet.

[mikesouth]

I'm sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but by my calculations IF you have a DVD player capable of playing mpg 4 video you could create HD video that is equal in quality to current HDVD and put one hour on a DVD5 or 2 Hrs on a DVD9.

The DVD player may have to have additional hardware to handle the HiDef but from what I can see it should work

[jshumate]

There are a few Divx compatible players that right now can display Divx in HD. Since I don't yet have one of these very few players or an HD TV, I can offer no personal experience, but yes, this is a workable solution right now. I have some HD Divx files in 720p that use bit rates of 3000-3500 Kbps and they look great on my PC monitor, but again, I have no way to look at them anywhere else at this time. If that bit rate really is good enough for Divx HD, then you could get even more time than you suggest on a DVD5 and DVD9 disc.

[mikesouth]

did some testing

I hooked my PC up to my HDTV via the DVI input (ie using the HDTV as a monitor)

Edited some HD footage and played it back to the TV in H.264 HD formats..it played and looked flawless.

and as I suspected 2 hrs fits easily on DVD9

The whole Bluray and HDDVD thing Is just a ploy to implement DRM essentially taking DVD back to the days of DIVX

Now if I could get my hidef programs off my hard disk on my motorola (comcast) DVR and onto my computer...I could burn them to DVD9 and archive them forever

[Trahald]

eww.. dont say DIVX (the phone home video-disk kind you are referring to ) so far the disks that have come out havent employed any of that . thats a sure fire way to make people stick with their sd-dvds. if it didnt work then it wont work now.
i think some extra space is needed (at 1080p a 2 1/2 hour movie will need more breathing room than a dvd-9 will provide at studio quality levels and with bulky new audio formats) especially if you throw in a few extras.

[mikesouth]

You think its not as bad...go out and buy yourself a new bluray or HDDVD drive for your PC

The try to play a bluray or HDDVD on it

Chances are you cant

(Unless you havean HDCP compliant video card AND an HDCP compliant monitor) High Definition Copy Protection

For what you pay for that you coulda watched a LOT of DIVX DVDS

[Trahald]

The try to play a bluray or HDDVD on it

Chances are you cant

(Unless you havean HDCP compliant video card AND an HDCP compliant monitor) High Definition Copy Protection

... and running vista 64!! Im sure eventually mpc will play them on 32bit xp. hopefully in the meanwhile pressure from people with brand new pcs that wont play the new drive they bought doesnt cause the retail dvd software players to support 32 bit. although i bet they try to downsample the playback to SD.