About using "No Compression" in DVDShrink 3.2 [Archive]

View Full Version : About using "No Compression" in DVDShrink 3.2

varekai

22nd July 2006, 08:20

CWR03

22nd July 2006, 08:45

CCE should yield a better quality than DVD Shrink. There's nothing "wrong" with doing that way, it's just a different approach that may yield better results.

DVD Decrypter and AnyDVD will conflict with one another if they're both running since they would both be trying to do the same thing, which is bypass the CSS encryption of a disk.

If you're only wanting to back up the main movie, in most cases you would need no compression anyway since it would fit directly on a DVD5. There would be no loss in quality at all from the original that way.

varekai

22nd July 2006, 10:09

Hi CWR03! :)

Thanks for your answer! Great to know I'm doing it the right way, or perhaps one of the right ways.

I forgot to ask if using "No Compression" in DVDShrink this setting doesn't affect/change the movie in
any way what-so-ever?

When using DVDDecrypter you have several options to remove different protections, what if I uncheck
these and then let AnyDVD deal with the protections? Will this work without and problems? Or should
I just use DVDShrink together with AnyDVD and skip DVDDecrypter?

At the moment I'm trying to make a backup of "Nausica - Of The Valley Of The Wind" movie only [5,21 GB]
and this can't fit on a DVD5. In DVDRebuilder I get this message "Detected Angle and/or Interleaving on source"
and the "Reduction Level for DVD-5: 78,6%" The actual "Angle" is in the aftertext where english text
is added. Using DVDShrink I can remove the japanese angle and get the "Reduction Level for DVD-5: 81,9%"
So this is one reason for using DVDShrink before using DVDRebuilder. I havn't found any way to remove
the angle in DVDRebuilder.

I know I'm asking many questions now and just tell me to hold my horses if they are to many... :)

I have read a lot about using matrix and "AVAMAT6 and AVAMAT7 (C)2005 by Amnon82". The thing is I can't
find any info on how to insert them or load them into CCE. So I did some trial&error and manually filled
in the values in CCE this way for AVAMAT6 and then saved as a preset AVAMAT6.
In CCE Templates/Standard/Advanced/Quantizer Matrices/
========================
(this I put in "Intra"

8,16,19,22,26,27,29,34,
16,16,22,24,27,29,34,35,
19,22,26,27,29,34,35,38,
22,22,26,27,29,34,35,40,
22,26,27,29,32,35,40,48,
26,27,29,32,35,40,48,50,
26,27,29,35,40,48,50,60,
27,29,35,40,48,50,60,62

========================
(and this in "NonIntra)

16,20,24,28,32,36,40,44,
20,24,28,32,36,40,44,48,
24,28,32,36,40,44,48,52,
28,32,36,40,44,48,52,56,
32,36,40,44,48,52,56,58,
36,40,44,48,52,56,58,60,
40,44,48,52,56,58,60,62,
44,48,52,56,58,60,62,62

========================
To be honest I have no idea if this is the right way but the output worked and showed different curves
and values when viewing it with BitrateViewer. I tried 2 different settings that are in CCE, the Natural
and the Anime and compared them with the origial uncompressed DVDShrink output and the AVAMAT6 output.
All 4 outputs showed different curves and values. But how to interpreter these curves and values beats me?
(Somewhere in this great forum I read a thread saying "If you see VBR and a beautiful raging curve,
you're safe using DVD Shrink, else prepare yourself for a long encoding/authoring procedure.")
So what is a "beautiful raging curve"?

With BitrateViewer I can see there are differences but perhaps the compression is to low to show any major differences?

I know it basically comes down to personal preferences how the movie looks when watching it, you know,
it's all in the eyes of the beholder...

They all look great in my standalone player but I would really like to know if I'm totally wrong in my efforts...

Now I will keep quiet for a while... ;)

regards varekai

feedback

22nd July 2006, 16:17

About using "No Compression" in DVDShrink 3.2

Hi! :)

I just found my way here and have lurked and browsed the forum for some time and found many,
many great and very useful tips & tricks that I'm gonna try out! This is a great place! :)
This is my first post here so please be gentle if I have violated any rules...

I have a question about the reauthor option in DVDShrink 3.2 where you can remove all unwanted
material and keep only main movie. My question is if it's any disadvantage to use the
"Compression Settings" and set it to "No Compression" and when DVDShrink has finished
the backup use DVDRebuilder and CCE SP Trial to compress the movie to fit a DVD5?
Is this the proper way? Or is there a better way?

Another question is about DVD Decrypter 3.5.4.0 (LIGHTNING UK version) and AnyDVD.
Why is AnyDVD "Not recommended for use in conjunction with DVD Decrypter"?
Again I only want to backup the main movie.

Any answers are much appreciated! :)

regards varekai

You can use DVDD with AnyDvd if you set it up properly.
Start here but read the entire thread.
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=667229&postcount=1

If you use DVD Rebuilder Pro you will be able to insert Matrices much easier. Here is a link to many more Matrices.
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=687112&postcount=3

Here is link to understanding a Matrix.
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=732235&postcount=6

Hmm! am I to understand that you do not, at this time, have the Pro. version of Rebuilder? If you don't have DVD Rebuilder Pro. I would highly suggest you get it for it's many advanced features.

Lastly, with No Compression set in Shrink you are just copying bit for bit.

Regards,

varekai

23rd July 2006, 08:04

Hi feedback! :)

Thanks for your answer! Great to know I did right with DVDDecrypter/AnyDVD when disabling the protection options in DVDD.

I have read through the posts you recommended and some of it I understood but a lot was way over my head... swooosh...
But I have to start somewhere and I really appreciate you guiding me. I saved the links a will read them again, and again...

Thanks for the many different matrixes. Is there somwhere I can read about them, what they do and when they are useful?

What do you think about the way I used the AVAMAT6 matrix in CCE? Is my way to insert it into CCE the proper way?
Is AVAMAT6 a good matrix for anime movies like "Nausica"? Or perhaps AVAMAT6 is useful in general for all kinds of movies?

If anyone would like to comment on the results below I would be very happy, if I'm a p.i.t.a just let me know and I'll slow down my questioning...

regards varekai

Here are some info from BitrateViewer about "Nausica" before and after using 3 different matrixes:
=============================
Nausica (original 5.21GB)
=============================
Bitrate: Peak---Average
--------9562---5901
=============================
Q.level: 14.85---7.31
=============================

=============================
Nausica (natural CCE 4.38GB)
=============================
Bitrate: Peak---Average
--------9244---4859
=============================
Q.level: 7.71---2.91
=============================

=============================
Nausica (anime CCE 4.38GB)
=============================
Bitrate: Peak---Average
--------9244---4870
=============================
Q.level: 7.11---2.95
=============================

=============================
Nausica (avamat6 CCE 4.38GB)
=============================
Bitrate: Peak---Average
--------9244---4859
=============================
Q.level: 7.71---2.91
=============================

feedback

23rd July 2006, 17:35

Hi feedback! :)

Thanks for your answer! Great to know I did right with DVDDecrypter/AnyDVD when disabling the protection options in DVDD.

I have read through the posts you recommended and some of it I understood but a lot was way over my head... swooosh...
But I have to start somewhere and I really appreciate you guiding me. I saved the links a will read them again, and again...

Thanks for the many different matrixes. Is there somwhere I can read about them, what they do and when they are useful?

What do you think about the way I used the AVAMAT6 matrix in CCE? Is my way to insert it into CCE the proper way?
Is AVAMAT6 a good matrix for anime movies like "Nausica"? Or perhaps AVAMAT6 is useful in general for all kinds of movies?

If anyone would like to comment on the results below I would be very happy, if I'm a p.i.t.a just let me know and I'll slow down my questioning...

regards varekai
First, are you using DVD Rebuilder Pro. version 1.10.2?

Second, you can find some info. on matrices in the DVD Rebuilder Matrix Editor by Rockas with Manono providing the Matrices Compilation and the descriptions.

Third, for anime movies others have indicated from time to time that "Kika's Comic High" matrix, Kika's Comic Low" matrix and "Kika's Trickfilm High" and "Kika's Trickfilm Low" provide good results.

Fourth, AVAMAT6 is good for lower bitrate movies, IMO, where "Fox Home Entertainment" matrix is good for 4100+Mbps movies.

Lastly, whew! Bitrate viewer is not the last word on calculating bitrate. If you check the Avg. bitrate with DGIndex , for instance, I'm sure you will find a difference in your Avg. bitrate... I find bitrate predition varies with the app. used.

varekai

24th July 2006, 06:10

Hello feedback! :)

Thanks for your answer!

1- Yep, I do use DVDRebuilder Pro 1.10.2
2- I will do some studying on the Matrix Editor and the Matrices Compilation.
3- I'll try to find Kika's matrixes and do some tests.
4- I didn't know AVAMAT6 was for low bitrates.
5- I will try out DGIndex and see what it does.
6- Lastly, What did you think about the way I used the AVAMAT6 matrix in CCE?
Is my way to insert it into CCE the proper way?

I will shout up for a while now and just lurk in here,
'cause you sound already exhausted, ;) and I have so many more questions...
Well anyway, you got me started and I'm very thankfull for that!
This was my first posts here and they came out very well! :)
I learned so much these few days! Thanks again!

regards varekai

feedback

24th July 2006, 14:37

The way you are presently inserting a matrix is not the usual way with DVD Rebuilder Pro.

In Rebuilder Pro. go to 'Settings' then 'Options' then
'Advanced (expert) options then 'Quantization Matrices' pick one under 'Main feature Matrix' and if you like one each under 'Low and Very Low Bitrate Matrix' and if so incliced a different matrix for 'Extras'.

Load the Matrices from the zip files you downloaded into the Rebuilder Matrix Editor, then convert them from .cqm and .xcm files to .mtx files within the Matrix editor. In setup you point to the Matrix folder used by DVD Rebuilder for the newly imported Matrices to be available. I have about 50 to choose from in my Rebuilder Matrix folder.
If you read the help section for DVD Rebuilder Pro. and the documentation on the Rebuilder Matrix Editor you will find the proper setup routine.
You may want ask some of these questions in the DVD Rebuilder forum for better reponses.

Good luck,