Size problems with DVD RB ver. - well, lots of'm [Archive]

loopyloops

19th July 2006, 23:58

Could you post your REBUILDER.INI file?

The default output size is 4.32GB -- and frankly it should always hit it very closely, so something is probably wrong with your config...

How good to see (read) you!!! Was just talking about you saving the day with Blutach :-) And by the way - I've tried many fresh installs of DVD RB - vers. .96 and .97. Here's my .ini:

[Options]
Mode=5
OneClick=1
ReduceOpt=3
NoWarn=1
AdditionalOutput=1
LogFile=1
QuEncHQ=1
EncoderMinimized=1
RemoveDTS=1
HC_Quality=2
HC_Matrix=1
SkinVersion=3
HalfExtras=1
HalfD1=000000
Convert_16_9=000000
DisableInterlace=000000
Completed=4
[Paths]
QuEnc=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\Encoders\QuEnc\QuEnc.exe
ReJig=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\Encoders\ReJig\ReJig.exe
HC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\Encoders\HC Encoder\HCbatch.EXE
ProCoder=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\Encoders\EclPro\EclPro.exe
DECOMB=C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb521.dll
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\DGDecode.dll
Working=C:\work\
Output=C:\play\
Source=D:\VIDEO_TS\
[Setup]
Languages=1111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
sLanguages=1111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[Audio]
Selected=11111111
[Subpictures]
Selected=1001

I must me doing something wrong in the settup. 2 out of 3 videos for me are turning out oversized. Using the "dummies" guide" over at digital digest.

Rippraff

20th July 2006, 00:38

loopyloops

20th July 2006, 00:47

Can't see anything what might be wrong with your setup.

Is this a multiangle/seamless branching source?
The free version can't handle these parts, they'll be kept untouched in your output.

Could you please post the Rebuilder.log as well.

Cu Rippraff

This is not the log from the most recent snafu - but from a prior one with the same problem - Madagascar, I think. Had no problem with The Godfather or Next Friday - just Madagascar and The Wall.

Where is this output limitation hidden?

Says invalid file type so I can't seem to attach the log. It's here though - 6 up from the bottom of the page - http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=68592&page=2

setarip_old

20th July 2006, 02:01

@loopyloops

Hi!

This may be the cause of your problem with "Madagascar":

"Madagascar" contains "RipGuard" copy protection (It was, in fact, the first DVD to have this protection). Although it CAN be completely ripped by DVD Decrypter, you have to "clean up" the rip by running it through VOBBlanker...

blutach

20th July 2006, 02:43

@loopyloops - To attach logs, zip them up. Zip is a valid attachment.

@Rippraff - from memory there were no angles on Madagascar, but hundreds of BOV.

Regards

jdobbs

20th July 2006, 04:28

Try turning off "Steal Space from Extras" and see if it sizes better... you may also want to uncheck "Half-D1 and Half Space for Extras". Using both of them together makes your extras extremely difficult to encode. Right now you have 33% reduction set along with Half Space... That means that you are cutting the bitrate in half, and then taking away 1/3rd of what was left. So I'm guessing that's where the problem may be. It's possible the resulting bitrate would be less than the minimum setting for encode and has to be adjusted upward -- thus causing oversizing.

When using those two settings it usually best to decide to use one or the other. If you decide to use "Steal Space" you can still use Half-D1 via the "Half-D1 for Extras" selection.

loopyloops

20th July 2006, 06:34

Rippraff

20th July 2006, 11:13

@loopyloops - To attach logs, zip them up. Zip is a valid attachment.
Or change the extension to .txt as it's only a normal text file.
Or even better paste the content with the http://forum.doom9.org/images/editor/code.gif-function.
But we had this before. :p ;)

@Rippraff - from memory there were no angles on Madagascar, but hundreds of BOV.

Right and it contains 22 VTS, beside this VIDEO_TS.VOB is a 567 MB black movie (talking about PAL version). :rolleyes:

I can think of three reasons why in rare cases over/undersizing might occur:
1) Huge ILVU parts (free version only)
2) Hard settings like the combination of Half/Half and Steal Space... (should have seen this before :o)
3) OPV encoding with CCE

2) and 3) specially in combination with a big number of video title sets which have to be processed.

@loopyloops
You don't expect us to read guides on other sides, do you? ;)

Cu Rippraff

loopyloops

20th July 2006, 17:24

Or change the extension to .txt as it's only a normal text file.
Or even better paste the content with the http://forum.doom9.org/images/editor/code.gif-function.
But we had this before. :p ;)

Right and it contains 22 VTS, beside this VIDEO_TS.VOB is a 567 MB black movie (talking about PAL version). :rolleyes:

I can think of three reasons why in rare cases over/undersizing might occur:
1) Huge ILVU parts (free version only)
2) Hard settings like the combination of Half/Half and Steal Space... (should have seen this before :o)
3) OPV encoding with CCE

2) and 3) specially in combination with a big number of video title sets which have to be processed.

@loopyloops
You don't expect us to read guides on other sides, do you? ;)

Cu Rippraff

:-) Well, I tried "When using those two settings it usually best to decide to use one or the other. If you decide to use "Steal Space" you can still use Half-D1 via the "Half-D1 for Extras" selection."

And I came out with a 4.3 GB file - so I guess I'm fixed?

If I understand correctly, it was just a matter of bad settings - ones I've actually used before with no problem.

jdobbs

20th July 2006, 22:47

ones I've actually used before with no problem.Search the forum and you'll find other posts on this subject as well. If you had no problems, it was just out of luck.

loopyloops

20th July 2006, 23:20

Search the forum and you'll find other posts on this subject as well. If you had no problems, it was just out of luck.

So this setting is good then (the one that just worked on The Wall):

[Options]
Mode=5
OneClick=1
ReduceOpt=3
NoWarn=1
AdditionalOutput=1
LogFile=1
QuEncHQ=1
EncoderMinimized=1
RemoveDTS=1
HC_Quality=2
HC_Matrix=1
SkinVersion=3
HalfExtras=0
HalfD1=000000
Convert_16_9=000000
DisableInterlace=000000
Completed=5
Backcolor=14215660
[Paths]
QuEnc=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\Encoders\QuEnc\QuEnc.exe
ReJig=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\Encoders\ReJig\ReJig.exe
HC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\Encoders\HC Encoder\HCbatch.EXE
ProCoder=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\Encoders\EclPro\EclPro.exe
DECOMB=C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb521.dll
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\DGDecode.dll
Working=C:\work\
Output=C:\play\
Source=D:\VIDEO_TS\
[Setup]
Languages=1111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
sLanguages=1111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[Audio]
Selected=11111111
[Subpictures]
Selected=1001

In fairness to the guide on Digital Digest, it didn't recommend I use "Hard settings like the combination of Half/Half and Steal Space" - it just didn't seem to advise against it.

I'll end up getting the pro version soon, but for now, will the settings above give me the best quality outcome?

Thanks for everyones help!!! When a program takes so long to complete, trial and error can take weeks :-)

jdobbs -

Sorry - just to be sure I understand, I can use - "Steal Space" and "Half-D1 for Extras" with no problem? What is it I should avoid using together and what's the best to use and not use to render the highest quality?

From what you wrote above - and I'm sure it's me and my lack of understanding - these 2 things seem to contradict each other:

1.Try turning off "Steal Space from Extras" and see if it sizes better... you may also want to uncheck "Half-D1 and Half Space for Extras". Using both of them together makes your extras extremely difficult to encode.

and

2. If you decide to use "Steal Space" you can still use Half-D1 via the "Half-D1 for Extras" selection - - - - -how else besides Half-D1 for Extras can you use Half-D!?

Is there a settings guide you can reccomend that I can just copy the settings from to give me the best quality - and I don't care about encoding times - or anything else that happens while I'm sleeping :-)

jdobbs

21st July 2006, 01:32

There are actually three ways to use half-d1:

1. Select "Half-D1 and Half Space for Extras". This will set all the "Extra Segments" to Half-D1 -- and then, after the overall space allocations are made, it will cut the amount for the Extras in half and reallocate that space to the feature. As I mentioned in the earlier post -- you can then even further reduce the allocation with "Steal Space" -- but in most circumstances it will result in too large a reduction.

2. Select "Half-D1 for Extras". This will change the extras to Half-D1, but will not take any of the space away from that given by the overall space allocation. Often you will find that extras were encoded at a low (minimum required) bitrate on the original -- so even the basic overall reduction might cause blockiness and poor quality. This setting changes the resolution to Half-D1 so the picture will remain decent even after the reduction.

Alternatively you can use this setting along with "Steal Space" to make less radical cuts than "Half/Half" -- you might go to Half-D1 but only cut the resulting space by 10, 25, or 33%.

3. Select "Half-D1" for individual VTSs under the options tab. This works similar to the second setting -- except you decide which VTSs you'd like done at Half-D1 -- even the feature could be done if you so wish.

blutach

21st July 2006, 09:29

Darned educational thread - thanks jdobbs.

Regards

Rippraff

21st July 2006, 12:53

you might go to Half-D1 but only cut the resulting space by 10, 25, or 33%.
Small correction: ;)
It's 25, 33 or 50%. 10% is only available in the Pro since version 0.84.

I've seen this in your earlier post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=853803#post853803) but thought it's only a careless mistake. ;)
Actually loopyloops used Half/Half plus 50% steal from extras and I'm glad that I don't have to watch the result. :p

Cu Rippraff

jdobbs

21st July 2006, 13:39

Good point... I'd forgotten the freeware version was still 25, 33, and 50%.

Here's an example of what might happen if you select half/half and also 50% reduction:

Original = 4500Kbs

1. DVD-RB analyzes the disc and determines an overall reduction of 62% is needed.

2. 62% reduction of 4500Kbs results in bitrate of 2790Kbs for the extra.

3. "Steal Space by 50%" cuts the bitrate in half. The bitrate is now 1395Kbs.

4. "Half/Half" changes the resolution to Half-D1 (352x480) and further reduces the bitrate to 697Kbs.

loopyloops

21st July 2006, 16:01

Wow - thanks folks, but I think I'm back where I started.

1. I only see one choice with the word "half" in it and thats
"Half D1 and Half Space For Extras"

- is that the Half/Half you're refering to?

2. Am I not supposed to use Half D1 and Steal Space From extras at the same time or am I? If not, which do I choose?

And again, I'm still confused as it says here I can use both - "Steal Space" you can still use Half-D1 via the "Half-D1 for Extras" selection.

So, the real question -

What do I check, and what do I leave alone?

jdobbs

21st July 2006, 17:02

JohnGalt

21st July 2006, 19:17

Half/Half is a redundant option insofar as you can achieve exactly the same result by using Half-D1 in conjunction with Steal Space: 50%. And as of v1.10, you can achieve variable compression via the Preview pane as well. Half/Half is a funny animal as it bundles together two functions -- reduction of the dimensions of the frame & increased compression (relative to the main title). Since extra compression is already bundled into the Half/Half option, you should not further increase extras' compression by using the Steal Space option in addition. So if you want Half-D1 and 50% extra compression, do ONE of the following:

1. Check Half-D1 and Half Space for Extras (i.e., Half/Half)

2. a) Check Half-D1 for Extras
b) Check Steal Space from Extras -> 50% (I don't care about Extra quality)

If you want, say, 25% additional compression, then forget Half/Half altogether, and use rubric #2 above, except in step "b," choose 25% instead of 50%, obviously.

Remember, you don't have to use Half-D1 at all, if you don't want to. It makes the video more comperssable, which is pretty necessary if you are doing 50% extra compression, but if you're doing 10% extra, the quality/detail loss at Half-D1 resolution may outweigh the compressability gain.

Finally, not to totally confuse you, but if you get comfortable with RB, you might consider looking into the world of Avisynth filters. Google or search the forums for Undot().Deen(), for instance (a.k.a. KISS). This filter chain, like many others, can vastly increase the subjective quality of low-bitrate video by selectively removing detail like noise.

loopyloops

22nd July 2006, 02:48

If you're using the freeware version the options are fewer.

Here's the rule: Never use Half/Half and "Steal Space From Extras" at the same time unless you absolutely, positively know what the result will be.

Which is better to use - and can I use the highest setting for steal space from extras if that's the one? You say don't use both - JohnGalt say use both.?

JohnGalt

22nd July 2006, 03:12

You say don't use both - JohnGalt say use both.?

You misunderstand; I'm not disagreeing with jdobbs -- I was just trying to rephrase things so that you might understand them better, but obviously I only succeeded in muddying the waters, so I'll shut up.

Let me remark, however, that we're not talking about making anything "better" or "highest" in aesthetic terms (using the language of your last post). in this thread we've been discussing ways of making the video qualitatively "worse" -- that is, more compressed. Increasing compression of the extras allows a consequent decrease in compression of the main feature. You probably know that already, but I just wanted to be clear about that.

loopyloops

22nd July 2006, 06:32

You misunderstand; I'm not disagreeing with jdobbs -- I was just trying to rephrase things so that you might understand them better, but obviously I only succeeded in muddying the waters, so I'll shut up.

Let me remark, however, that we're not talking about making anything "better" or "highest" in aesthetic terms (using the language of your last post). in this thread we've been discussing ways of making the video qualitatively "worse" -- that is, more compressed. Increasing compression of the extras allows a consequent decrease in compression of the main feature. You probably know that already, but I just wanted to be clear about that.

Ok, I get that. So, if I can't use both - half/half and steal space....which should I choose?

You're not muddying anything - I'm just slow when it comes to this :-)

With the free version, what are the optimal settings? What might I be missing? I swear I used to be able to use both but I guess not any more. I just want to know the best settings all around for the free version.

Thanks!!!!

And I'm assuming the size problem was do to using steal space and half/half together? And, if using steal space is the correct choice, is 50% ok? If it is the best choice, and you can't use both - why have a second best?

loopyloops

22nd July 2006, 19:05

Small correction: ;)
It's 25, 33 or 50%. 10% is only available in the Pro since version 0.84.

I've seen this in your earlier post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=853803#post853803) but thought it's only a careless mistake. ;)
Actually loopyloops used Half/Half plus 50% steal from extras and I'm glad that I don't have to watch the result. :p

Cu Rippraff

Question about "watching the result" - shouldn't it just effect the extras? Isn't that the point - to make the movie less compressed...

JohnGalt

22nd July 2006, 19:51

Question about "watching the result" - shouldn't it just effect the extras? Isn't that the point - to make the movie less compressed...

Yes, it would only affect the extras, but bear in mind that if you did Half/Half in addition to Steal Space 50, then your extras will be compressed down to some teensy-tiny size -- they might only be something like 15% of their original bitrate. Also, you should bear in mind that often extras are encoded on the original disc at a significantly lower bitrate than is the main feature.

So it sounds like what you want out of your backups is similar to what I want of mine: I don't really care about extras' quality; I want to make backups of the extras, but I don't intend to watch them much if ever, so it's fine if they're highly compressed. Thus, I use Half/Half (with no additional Steal Space!). It sounds to me as if you might wish to do the same -- always leave Half/Half checked, and leave Steal Space at 0%. Note that this advice is compatible with both jdobbs' earlier statements as well as my own.

And I'm assuming the size problem was do to using steal space and half/half together? And, if using steal space is the correct choice, is 50% ok? If it is the best choice, and you can't use both - why have a second best?

Re-read my above post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=854386#post854386) and jdobb's above post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=854123#post854123). Half/Half isn't correct, incorrect, or whatever. It's simply an option that bundles together two other options -- it's doing two things at once -- decreasing the dimensions of the frame (Half D1) and increasing its compression (Steal Space). You can make RB do Half/Half to your extras without checking the Half/Half optional at all, as I describe in that post.

You should just use Half/Half and ignore Steal Space. You will save lots of bits that way. Quality of the extras will probably be pretty poor, but better than when you try to Steal Space twice!

Look, here are some totally made-up numbers:

RB tells you that your disc has to be compressed down to 60% of its original size. You've checked Half/Half, so your extras will be compressed an additional 50%, which means that they'll be compressed down to 30% of their original size (60*.5). Now, if you also had Steal Space 50% active, then the extras would be encoded at 15% of their original bitrate (30*.5). That's just crazy -- the result will doubtless be unwatchable, and apparantly such a tiny bitrate can cause sizing problems with your encoder (which is why you started this thread in the first place). As jdobbs says in an earlier post, "Here's the rule: Never use Half/Half and 'Steal Space From Extras' at the same time unless you absolutely, positively know what the result will be." So for the sake of simplicity, I highly recommend that you stick with Half/Half and leave Steal Space at 0%.

loopyloops

22nd July 2006, 20:08

Yes, it would only affect the extras, but bear in mind that if you did Half/Half in addition to Steal Space 50, then your extras will be compressed down to some teensy-tiny size -- they might only be something like 15% of their original bitrate. Also, you should bear in mind that often extras are encoded on the original disc at a significantly lower bitrate than is the main feature.

So it sounds like what you want out of your backups is similar to what I want of mine: I don't really care about extras' quality; I want to make backups of the extras, but I don't intend to watch them much if ever, so it's fine if they're highly compressed. Thus, I use Half/Half (with no additional Steal Space!). It sounds to me as if you might wish to do the same -- always leave Half/Half checked, and leave Steal Space at 0%. Note that this advice is compatible with both jdobbs' earlier statements as well as my own.

Re-read my above post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=854386#post854386) and jdobb's above post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=854123#post854123). Half/Half isn't correct, incorrect, or whatever. It's simply an option that bundles together two other options -- it's doing two things at once -- decreasing the dimensions of the frame (Half D1) and increasing its compression (Steal Space). You can make RB do Half/Half to your extras without checking the Half/Half optional at all, as I describe in that post.

You should just use Half/Half and ignore Steal Space. You will save lots of bits that way. Quality of the extras will probably be pretty poor, but better than when you try to Steal Space twice!

Look, here are some totally made-up numbers:

RB tells you that your disc has to be compressed down to 60% of its original size. You've checked Half/Half, so your extras will be compressed an additional 50%, which means that they'll be compressed down to 30% of their original size (60*.5). Now, if you also had Steal Space 50% active, then the extras would be encoded at 15% of their original bitrate (30*.5). That's just crazy -- the result will doubtless be unwatchable, and apparantly such a tiny bitrate can cause sizing problems with your encoder (which is why you started this thread in the first place). As jdobbs says in an earlier post, "Here's the rule: Never use Half/Half and 'Steal Space From Extras' at the same time unless you absolutely, positively know what the result will be." So for the sake of simplicity, I highly recommend that you stick with Half/Half and leave Steal Space at 0%.

Ok - and thanks so much for taking the time to help me here - I really, really appreciate it!!!!

Please confirm this is correct -

1. I should check mark - "half d1 and steal space from extras"

2. I should leave "steal space from extras at 00%

And on one last subject - I don't see Half D1 on its own, i.e. not "half d1 and steal space from extras" Is that an option only in the pro version?

JohnGalt

22nd July 2006, 20:31

Please confirm this is correct -
1. I should check mark - "half d1 and steal space from extras"
2. I should leave "steal space from extras at 00%

Yes.

I don't see Half D1 on its own, i.e. not "half d1 and steal space from extras" Is that an option only in the pro version?

Ah, I see. Yeah I just fired up .95, which I know isn't the latest free version, but you're right -- in .95, at least, Half-D1 doesn't appear in the Mode menu. so that explains a lot of the confusion. I've been talking about an option that you have never seen. Apologies!! It's been a long time since I used the free version. :o

Also, come to think of it, ignore what I mentioned about avisynth filters (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=854386#post854386) --the free version doesn't have a filter editor (tho maybe you could still use RB-Opt?).

loopyloops

22nd July 2006, 21:55

Yes.

Ah, I see. Yeah I just fired up .95, which I know isn't the latest free version, but you're right -- in .95, at least, Half-D1 doesn't appear in the Mode menu. so that explains a lot of the confusion. I've been talking about an option that you have never seen. Apologies!! It's been a long time since I used the free version. :o

Also, come to think of it, ignore what I mentioned about avisynth filters (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=854386#post854386) --the free version doesn't have a filter editor (tho maybe you could still use RB-Opt?).

Ah - good - thought I was going crazy for a moment there not seeing that option.

Thanks again sooo much for your and everyone's patience with me!!!!! I'm not as thick as I come accross - really :-)

One last question, and I think I'm good to go. Assuming I should be using the latest version of HC Enc. (.18 - using .17 now), what do I need to change this line to in my rebuilder.ini to make it work: HC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\Encoders\HC Encoder\HCbatch.EXE

With the line as is, the program won't recognize .18....

I do search these things before asking, btw - just haven't been able to find that answer...

Boulder

23rd July 2006, 09:29

Use the Setup menu to change the path to HC v0.18. The executable is named HCEnc_018.exe.

Sharc

23rd July 2006, 11:05

My observation:
If you go for "Half/half plus reduce space for extras (50%)" the bitrate may become unacceptably low for the encoder. The encoder may then substitute the requested bitrate by its own (default) minimum bitrate, which is higher than the bitrate requested by "half/half plus steal space from extras (50%)" => The result is inevitably oversizing.

Rgds, Sharc

Rippraff

23rd July 2006, 11:47

And on one last subject - I don't see Half D1 on its own, i.e. not "half d1 and steal space from extras" Is that an option only in the pro version?
Options => AVS Options => Advanced (Expert) Options => Resize to Half D1 => ...

Here by the way you'll find the filter editor as well. :rolleyes:

One last question, and I think I'm good to go. Assuming I should be using the latest version of HC Enc. (.18 - using .17 now), what do I need to change this line to in my rebuilder.ini to make it work: HC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\Encoders\HC Encoder\HCbatch.EXE

I don't know, where your 0.18 version ist located, search for "HCenc_018.exe" and change your ini with the complete path of course.
In my case it's HC= ... \HC018\HCenc_018.exe

Use the Setup menu to change the path to HC v0.18. The executable is named HCEnc_018.exe.
I've asked for this before but at the moment there isn't a HC entry in the setup section in the free version.

Cu Rippraff

jdobbs

23rd July 2006, 12:52

I'm trying to get away from paths requirement in setup. My hope is that all the packages will eventually set a path variable in the registry so I can locate them automatically.

If you used the freeware installer you will find there is an hcbatch.exe in the DVD-RB installation path (e.g. "c:\program files\dvd-rb pro\encoders\hc encoder\hcbatch.exe"). You can just replace it with the new version and DVD-RB will use it. As Rippraff mentioned, you can also manually edit the path setting in the INI. For example:

HC="C:\Program Files\HC\HCenc_018.exe"

loopyloops

23rd July 2006, 17:47

Thanks folks. With every ver. of HC Enc., it seems that the end bit of the path is different. I, of course, replace the old files with the new ones in the HC folder.

loopyloops

24th July 2006, 05:10

I am happy to announce that with the new settings, every encode comes out to 4.3 GB - no more, no less.

Taking - at the highest HC Enc. setting - an average of 4hrs and 15 mins. which makes me feel like my comps a bit wimpy, but hey, it rocked 6 months ago!

In any event - thanks so much for all your help - next up - pro vers. (uh oh, more questions...).

Correction - just did one that came out 4.32 - and it took 511 mins - not sure why.

loopyloops

24th July 2006, 22:55

Sorry to post thrice - but I've run into an issue. My comp doesn't recognize my iso as a DVD or my burned image as a DVD. Do I have settings problems?:

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8455/sp3220060724145228fn3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

That "play" folder is just what I call my "output" folder - not that that matters....

JohnGalt

24th July 2006, 23:10

I don't know anything about Folder2ISO. You might try using IfoEdit (http://www.ifoedit.com/) to compile an IMG that you can then mount or burn. I've never had any trouble with IfoEdit.

jdobbs

24th July 2006, 23:41

If it doesn't recognize the ISO and you are using Folder2ISO --- then the problem is with Folder2ISO, not DVD-RB.

loopyloops

25th July 2006, 00:03

If it doesn't recognize the ISO and you are using Folder2ISO --- then the problem is with Folder2ISO, not DVD-RB.

Yeah, it'll open as a file in mp classic - for instance - but is not recognized as a DVD. Are you familiar with folder2iso - do you see a wrong setting?

dirio49

25th July 2006, 00:09

THe problem is that you cannot burn dvd-video files as just plain data files.
they need special order,
like
it has to be ifo then vob then bup in that order, and the file system has to be correct.

MPC can play them because it does not care how they are arranged but the setop player does.
that is why is not recognized as a dvd.
use pgcedit or Ifoedit or just the build-in function in dvd-rb pro

peace

loopyloops

25th July 2006, 00:11

I don't know anything about Folder2ISO. You might try using IfoEdit (http://www.ifoedit.com/) to compile an IMG that you can then mount or burn. I've never had any trouble with IfoEdit.

Would love to try it - have the program actually. Is there a step by step on how to make an iso with it - thought I knew how, but it didn't work.

dirio49

25th July 2006, 00:13

Just use pgcedit it is very easy.

JohnGalt

25th July 2006, 00:16

jdobbs

25th July 2006, 00:52

The next freeware version will have the ISO creation included... it uses MKISOFS, which is very reliable and very compliant.

Boulder

25th July 2006, 07:55

@loopyloops: try using ImgTool Classic for creating the ISO image. It uses mkisofs which is the safest bet as has been already said.

www.coujo.de

loopyloops

25th July 2006, 18:04

[EDIT] N.B. these instructions are for IfoEdit, not PgcEdit.

1. Click 'Open' button (bottom-left)
2. Find RB's output directory and open the following file:
<OUTPUT>\VIDEO_TS\VIDEO_TS.IFO
3. Click 'Disc Image' (bottom-middle)
4. Supply file name and disc name, click 'Create Image'

Wow, thought I tried that - will try again - must be the heat!

It was step 2 that I wasn't able to figure out....

Works awesome! Thanks!!

Is it the .ifo file that has info about the whole movie?

loopyloops

25th July 2006, 22:22

@loopyloops: try using ImgTool Classic for creating the ISO image. It uses mkisofs which is the safest bet as has been already said.

www.coujo.de

For some reason, I get errors with ITC - that's why I switched.

Boulder

26th July 2006, 09:08

Would you mind specifying what errors..the program is quite foolproof.

loopyloops

27th July 2006, 16:21

Would you mind specifying what errors..the program is quite foolproof.

I get the following on almost every DVD:

/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/Jonathan Rosner/Desktop/Video Shortcuts/Classic_0.91.7/mkisofs: No such file or directory. Non-existent or inaccessible: D:/..
/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/Jonathan Rosner/Desktop/Video Shortcuts/Classic_0.91.7/mkisofs: Either VIDEO_TS.IFO or VIDEO_TS.VOB is not of correct size.
/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/Jonathan Rosner/Desktop/Video Shortcuts/Classic_0.91.7/mkisofs: Unable to parse DVD-Video structures.
/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/Jonathan Rosner/Desktop/Video Shortcuts/Classic_0.91.7/mkisofs: Unable to make a DVD-Video image.