Feature Before/After?

[rack04]

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[12:25:25] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- "Movie and Menus Only" mode is enabled.
- VTSM_01: 98,434 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 6,690 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_01: 2,596,799 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 157,660 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 364,089 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 39,735 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 160,925 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 13,601 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 92,634 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 7,825 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 108,141 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 9,135 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 140,137 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 12,950 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 218,341 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 18,409 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 982 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 410 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 7,477 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 558 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_10: 5,365 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 495 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_11: 1,395 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 275 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_12: 7,477 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 558 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 63.4%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,633/2,906Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,970,222KB
- Blanking all EXTRA Segments
-- Feature before/after: 8,500 / 8,500 Kbs
[12:29:36] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 4 minutes.

Were the calculations changed in the new version of DVD-RB?

[jdobbs]

The segment viewer/editor had some changes. This could be related to that. I'll take a look at it.

[rack04]

Also, something strange that I noticed in the segment viewer/editor was the dvd output size 3.05 GB. Here is a pic to dispaly what I'm talking about.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a199/rack04/untitled-1.jpg

[jdobbs]

Hmm.. it's supposed to do that when you are editing -- because it is designed so you can dynamically reallocate the space where you want it. But it should give the space to the feature when you select "Movie and Menus Only" -- it may be a bug in the new editor.

Try deselecting "Use Beta (test) Viewer/Editor" and run the PREPARE again. When you select "Movie and Menus Only" an automatic edit is executed that blanks all the extras. This is exactly the reason I made the editor "beta" -- there are a lot of complexities that need to be tested.

[rack04]

The output iso from this session ended up being 2.92 GB.

Here is the PREPARE with "Use Beta (test) Viewer/Editor" deselected.

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[16:00:28] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- "Movie and Menus Only" mode is enabled.
- VTS_01: 2,596,799 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 157,660 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 364,089 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 39,735 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 160,925 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 13,601 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 92,634 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 7,825 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 108,141 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 9,135 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 140,137 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 12,950 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 218,341 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 18,409 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 982 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 410 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 7,477 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 558 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_10: 5,365 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 495 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_11: 1,395 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 275 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_12: 7,477 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 558 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 62.2%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,547/2,838Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,780,028KB
- Blanking all EXTRA Segments
-- Feature before/after: 3,067 / 4,811 Kbs
[16:04:00] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 4 minutes.

[jdobbs]

The concept of the new editor is that it doesn't reallocate your savings automatically to the feature. Moving bits from one segment/vts to another is left up to you, the editor. So when the other portions were blanked -- the space wasn't automatically recovered. It will work correctly (the old way) if you don't select the new editor/viewer.

I'll have to look at the code and find out why it didn't adjust for the automatic blanking. It should have. It's a bug in the beta portion (the segment editor/viewer) that I'll have to get worked out for the next release (hopefully in the next day or two). I'd like to see if anything else is discovered with the beta software before I slam out another version.

[^JazzMan^]

The concept of the new editor is that it doesn't reallocate your savings automatically to the feature. Moving bits from one segment/vts to another is left up to you, the editor. So when the other portions were blanked -- the space wasn't automatically recovered. It will work correctly (the old way) if you don't select the new editor/viewer.


Good point jdobbs, that leaves us full control over the bit allocating, getting a more advanced approach :D I'll do some testings for slidebar accuracy and space limits and report if I notice anything unpleasant :)

cheers

[jdobbs]

It's a lot more friendly with series discs since it doesn't allocate all the saved bits to the largest PGC (episode)...

[jdobbs]

Ok. I fixed this one. The update will be in v1.10.2. When the "Use Beta (test) Viewer/Editor" was selected, the automatic update performed by the editor for either of the "Movie and Menus Only" and "Movie, Menus, and Slideshow" modes was not being saved correctly (it was using the "new editor" method).

In the meantime, if you are doing your encodes in either those modes -- make sure you turn "Use Beta (test) Viewer/Editor" off first.

[rack04]

Thanks for the update. Looks like the problem was fixed. This PREPARE was with "Use Beta (test) Viewer/Editor" selected.

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[17:37:08] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- "Movie and Menus Only" mode is enabled.
- VTSM_01: 98,434 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 6,690 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_01: 2,596,799 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 157,660 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 364,089 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 39,735 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 160,925 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 13,601 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 92,634 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 7,825 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 108,141 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 9,135 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 140,137 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 12,950 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 218,341 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 18,409 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 982 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 410 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 7,477 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 558 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_10: 5,365 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 495 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_11: 1,395 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 275 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_12: 7,477 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 558 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 60.9%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,490/2,792Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,813,740KB
- Blanking all EXTRA Segments
-- Feature before/after: 3,001 / 4,709 Kbs
[17:41:32] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 4 minutes.

[jdobbs]

Cool. I actually fixed it yesterday, but just to be sure I ran several "Movie and Menus" only encodes to test it before the release today.