Nero Recode 2 [Nero 7]

[worldgate]

So i encode this movie, any movie really, and about 2 minutes in it 'jumps' a little. It looks like a frame drop so that it skips for just a moment and then continues on.

My settings have been to 2 pass, at 1000kbps with the quicktime simple profile selected (as suggested on another board). Ive also tried it with out the simple profile, and it still does it.

Is there something im not setting?

Current system is a P4 @ 3.0ghz running with dual channel DDR 512MB at 800mhz. Hard drive is 160gb 7200rpm drive with 8mb cache.

I really like the quality of nero digital and more so the speed at which it can encode (as compared to autogk which takes 4 hours for a 2 hr movie, where as with nero its only a hour).

[siddharthagandhi]

Did you try re-encoding? Maybe it was a temporary problem.

[worldgate]

I have encoded the same movie about 3 times now and its the same thing. Its great for about a minute and then it skips a frame. Tried it on several dvd's including shrek 2, matrix trilogy, star wars 1 - 3. I use the standard profile, 2 pass. I tried the guide here on doom9 but it keeps doing it.

What ever nero has done i think xvid should do so that i can just get the same speed from autogk as i do from nero.

[GmorG McRoth]

mayby there is broken VOB in this place? when you encode to XVID via AutoGK there is no such problem? AutoGK uses DGindex. mayby create d2v file thru DGindex and avisynth script. then instead of encoding vobs encode avisynth script thru recode2.

DGIndex tutorial (http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/dgindex.htm)
Avisynth and DGIndex tutorial (http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/dgindex-frameserving.htm)

also using this you will need to encode sound separatly using tools like besweet.
Besweet tutorial (http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/belight-ac3toaac.htm)

and then mux them all together in container of your choice be it motroska or mp4

[siddharthagandhi]

Yes it probably is a broken vob. I experienced that problem recently with a DVD i ripped using DVD Decrypter and the file size was only 14 seconds but it continued playing, there was intermittent lagginess, and all sorts of other problems.

[worldgate]

When i use autogk its pretty much a flawless encode, considering it takes 4 - 4.5 hrs most of the time. However ill try this method and see what happens. Im fairly familiar with both of these programs but i never knew you could encode with nero through them.

Maybe the skips are during the chapter changes or something, as they seem to happen in the same areas each time (with various files).

As for audio i typically use azid_p4 to turn the ac3 into a wav because it can normalize the vocal track so it doesnt sound like whispers.

mayby there is broken VOB in this place? when you encode to XVID via AutoGK there is no such problem? AutoGK uses DGindex. mayby create d2v file thru DGindex and avisynth script. then instead of encoding vobs encode avisynth script thru recode2.

DGIndex tutorial (http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/dgindex.htm)
Avisynth and DGIndex tutorial (http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/dgindex-frameserving.htm)

also using this you will need to encode sound separatly using tools like besweet.
Besweet tutorial (http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/belight-ac3toaac.htm)

and then mux them all together in container of your choice be it motroska or mp4

[worldgate]

Im not sure how to load a .avs file into nero recode 2. I made a simple avs script which loads dgdecode.dll and points to the d2v file but nero refuses to load the .avs file. It only see's the vob files.

Is there a quick guide as to how to import avs scripts into nero recode?

[GmorG McRoth]

on my system it just takes it from drag&drop. Mayby your script is failing? try plaing it in media player classic and see if it works.

[worldgate]

Ill try that after i restore windows xp. Its not a good idea to update nero and then accidently unplug the machine when you trip over the cord moving away from a wasp.

I rather trip over the cord then get stung. I dont even know how a wasp got in here.

[worldgate]

Alright here we go, maybe you can tell me what im doing wrong.

1) Installed AutoGK, which came with avisynth.
2) Installed Nero 7.2.0.3b
3) Created script after running DGIndex to create the d2v file.

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
mpeg2source("Y:\DVD-CLEAN\THE_ONE\the_one.d2v")

4) Ran Nero Recode 2 and selected option 4, recode file or dvd. TRied to choose new avs file 'the_one.avs' and clicked 'import'. Nothing happened.

[GmorG McRoth]

you tried to play it media player classic to see if script works?

---edit---

here is script generated by megui
DGDecode_mpeg2source("D:\Moje wideo\DVD\Clerks ncode\Clerks.d2v",info=3)
ColorMatrix(hints=true)
crop( 2, 66, -2, -72)
LanczosResize(720,384) # Lanczos (Sharp)

using latest DGMPGDec (http://neuron2.net/dgmpgdec/dgmpgdec.html) and latest megui from x264 package (downloaded from http://x264.nl)
I can't check if it actually works at latest nero becouse I just uninstalled it and I do not intend to install it (unless they wont release stand alone AAC encoder they promised), but few months ago when I was plaing around with Nero avs scripts worked fine.

[worldgate]

Yea the script i made would play in mplayer2 but ill try using megui to create the script and see if nero will open it. I just tried encoding 4 movies last night with the new nero and it still did those pauses in the same places as they did before.

I appreciate all the help. :)

[worldgate]

Ok using your script as a sort of template (while .net installs) nero read it. I changed the file it points to. It showed it as being 5mb, but the main window said that there was 'no such script' as an error. Considering im a little closer to getting it to work i can deal with the error.

Once .net installs ill run megui and see if it will work.

[GmorG McRoth]

to make my script working you need to have dgdecode.dll in avisynth plugin dir (you don't need to load dll when it is there)

by defoult it is C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins

[worldgate]

Your very quick on replies as i just came back to mention that somehow i didnt have the right plugin but found it. :)

Using the script maker in megui it pointed out the plugins and functions i didnt have so i downloaded them so now it works.

Though i cant use the resizer because it makes the video look like max widescreen. AutoGK usually does all of this for me so i guess i was a bit spoiled in having a all-in-one to do it all.

[GmorG McRoth]

Your very quick on replies as i just came back to mention that somehow i didnt have the right plugin but found it. :)

Using the script maker in megui it pointed out the plugins and functions i didnt have so i downloaded them so now it works.

Though i cant use the resizer because it makes the video look like max widescreen. AutoGK usually does all of this for me so i guess i was a bit spoiled in having a all-in-one to do it all.
I tend to check forum in right times :)
when you are using megui resizer remeber to check "suggest resolution" tick to leave megui power over calculating second value .

[worldgate]

Well i finally got it to import and use the avs properly but it seems that the encoding speed decreases significantly.

Im not sure if this is because its showing the entire time it will take to do both passes or just the first one. Its estimating 2 hours.

I wonder what nero wasnt doing that was causing it to get such a speed increase.

[GmorG McRoth]

direct show decoder, mayby hardware accelerated decoding. do not belive in recode estimates they were never true for me.

[worldgate]

Well the 2hr estimate was for both passes and, all things considered, thats still a 50% increase in speed as compared to doing it with xvid. Right now im encoding 'the one' at 1000kbps, with no audio (i like to boost the voice so i dont hear whispers, with azid). Im considering getting one of those X#### video cards from ati as they do GPU acceleration.

If this way eliminates the skipping and frame dropping then im all for it.

[GmorG McRoth]

at the moment I did not seen any encoder capable of using this acceleration. Few decoders, yes but thats all. I'm not sure what future will bring.

[worldgate]

Well there was the one you get with ATI but as of the date i was reading (january 06) it was beta and tended to mess up on occasion. What i'de really like is a hardware mpeg4 encoder, i wouldnt mind putting down a few hundred for one.

[worldgate]

Well as for Nero it read the file and still had issues considering quality. So i guess ill just keep using autoGK and just set the computer to encode and leave it alone all day.

[GmorG McRoth]

it has this bug in same place? thats wird. I'm out of ideas.