Never had problems like this: Backing up "THE PAPER"

[J99]

Hey all, I am really hoping someone can help me out. I recently bought an old copy of this film - Michael Keaton, Glenn Close, and the copy I got is, well, pretty grim.

I wanted to back it up, then shove it in the pile in the closet, but when I back it up, several problems crop up.

1. I started with decrypter, which finds :
W 18:31:32 Possible RCE Protection Found!
W 18:31:32 Media region code: 1
W 18:31:36 User selected Region 1 for the disc's region code.

I agree to the region 1, and it proceeds to rip it. Get to the end, no errors (thank god for no crc's on this disk - it looks like someone went at it with a nail file), but the vob's are totally blank. No picture. There is sound, but it is vaguely garbled.

I then tried dvdfab, it started ok, finished, and I burned the final product, only to get exactly the same problem - no picture. Sound was garbled as well.

Finally, dvd shrink, which refuses to open the disk, giving me a "copy protection error- the read failed because the sector is encrypted"

Now, this film is Made by Universal, 1997, and an uglier disk you have never seen.

any assistance anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated. I have been using decrypter in file mode, and have what so far has been settings that have never failed.

I should mention that in a stand alone, as well as in media player, the film seems to work for the most part.

I should also mention that I have posted on this in the past, but since then have still had absolutely no luck. past thread is here:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=90240

OOh, one more final note- when I try and view the vob directly from the original dvd, a pop-up telling me nero showtime needs a video-plug in comes up for dolby2, but then the vob plays fine, and the dvd plays in windows media as well.

sigh.

[setarip_old]

Hi!

Would you be good enough to post your DVD Decrypter log for this rip?

[J99]

Happy to. The only possible flaw I have found is that if I try and rip this with an old fashioned vob stripper, it comes up with a multi-angle listing, then proceeds to crash. Note - none of the vob's are viewable after being ripped by dvddecrypt - I can open them up in shrink or in nero, but they are blank and will not play, suggesting they have become corrupt or something. I will try setting multi-angle, but I don't think this disk actually has multi-angle, since there is no way of selecting it in options while viewing the original...

dvddecrypt:
I 12:07:07 DVD Decrypter Version 3.5.4.0 started!
I 12:07:07 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 12:07:07 Initialising SPTI...
I 12:07:07 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 12:07:07 Found 1 DVD±RW!
W 12:07:08 Possible RCE Protection Found!
W 12:07:08 Media region code: 1
W 12:07:12 User selected Region 1 for the disc's region code.
I 12:07:16 Operation Started!
I 12:07:16 Source Device: [1:0:0] LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-1635S YS0F (D:) (ATA)
I 12:07:16 Source Media Type: DVD-ROM
I 12:07:16 Source Media Region Code: 1
I 12:07:16 Source Media Copyright Protection System Type: CSS/CPPM
I 12:07:16 Source Media Implementation Identifier: MEI
I 12:07:16 Destination Folder: C:\PAPER\VIDEO_TS\
I 12:07:17 File Splitting: By File
I 12:07:17 Detect Mastering Errors: No
I 12:07:17 Multi Angle Processing: No
I 12:07:17 Remove Macrovision Protection: Yes
I 12:07:17 Stream Processing: No
I 12:07:17 Copying VIDEO_TS.IFO... (LBA: 278 - 291) - KEY: N/A
I 12:07:17 Copying VIDEO_TS.VOB... (LBA: 292 - 7028) - KEY: N/A
W 12:07:17 Encryption Detected! - File: VIDEO_TS.VOB - (LBA: 293) - Getting Decryption Key...
W 12:07:17 Encryption Detected! - File: VIDEO_TS.VOB - (LBA: 293) - KEY: C0 B6 71 14 25
I 12:07:19 Copying VIDEO_TS.BUP... (LBA: 7029 - 7042) - KEY: N/A
I 12:07:19 Copying VTS_01_0.IFO... (LBA: 7043 - 7086) - KEY: N/A
I 12:07:19 Decrypting VTS_01_0.VOB... (LBA: 7087 - 12871) - KEY: 68 F5 5F 3D 1A
I 12:07:22 Decrypting VTS_01_1.VOB... (LBA: 12872 - 537143) - KEY: 68 F5 5F 3D 1A
I 12:09:12 Decrypting VTS_01_2.VOB... (LBA: 537144 - 1061415) - KEY: 68 F5 5F 3D 1A
I 12:10:23 Decrypting VTS_01_3.VOB... (LBA: 1061416 - 1585687) - KEY: 68 F5 5F 3D 1A
I 12:12:19 Decrypting VTS_01_4.VOB... (LBA: 1585688 - 2109959) - KEY: 68 F5 5F 3D 1A
I 12:14:08 Decrypting VTS_01_5.VOB... (LBA: 2109960 - 2196461) - KEY: 68 F5 5F 3D 1A
I 12:14:27 Copying VTS_01_0.BUP... (LBA: 2196462 - 2196505) - KEY: N/A
I 12:14:27 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:07:10
I 12:14:27 Average Read Rate: 10,215 KB/s (7.4x) - Maximum Read Rate: 16,046 KB/s (11.6x)

Wow. Now this is interesting! I went for multiangle processing, chose angle 1 as primary, and tried again. Got warnings galore from nero when I tried to burn it, ignored them all, and wound up with a playable dvd, that played 151 minutes worth of "this screen has been formatted to fit your tv". No audio either. Trying angle 2 as primary, no love there either.


However, Moving away from file over to iso, and going brute-key, removing IFO/BUP PUO's, and generally following an online guide by a fellow called scubapete (actually pretty good setup for decrypt), I actually had some success!

Which is odd, since I have tried the ISO before. But regardless, I now have at least most of the movie visible in shrink. I am bloody shocked!

For anyone with interest, I suspect this may be one of the worst mastered films ever.

Link to the fellow that saved parts of my soul: http://www.dvdplusvideo.com/petesguide9.html

If anyone knows why this all happened, and what exactly made it work, I am dying to know.

[setarip_old]

In light of the fact that your previous rips in "File Mode" did not indicate any bad sectors, I don't see anything different in "Pete's" .ISO methodology that should yield different results - unless of course, before following his instructions, DVD Decrypter v.3.5.4 wasn't set to its default settings...

Did you try playing your "File" mode rips from your hard drive, using a software DVD player (e.g. WinDVD, PowereDVD, VLC, etc.), before burning?

Just for "kicks and giggles, while ripping in "File" mode, force the "Key" for the VIDEO_TS" .VOB to be the same as those of the movie .VOBs (KEY: 68 F5 5F 3D 1A). Does this make the DVD "package" viewable?

[J99]

It is wierd I agree. The files after being ripped were unviewable as vob's. in fact, they would load, display either a pixellated green screen or a black screen, and when played would not move at all.

It is really bizarre. I did try forcing a key, which yielded the same result. Part of the problem has to be the actual mastering of the original. The file size for the entire product is under 4.4gb, but when you rip it to the HD, and try opening it with nero recode or shrink, it reads it as 13.2 gb, with each main vob being called a seperate angle. Neither decrypter or fab have any errors when ripping, it is just the end result is totally corrupt.

There is also a problem with the file structure of the original - if you start it in a stand-alone, it chokes for a minute or so, then starts the universal splash screen, and begins the movie. If you force it to menu after that, what should likely be the opening menu loads, with options for cast notes or subtitles, ect. but that menu does not load at the beginning, nor at the end of the dvd, after the movie has ended. The movie just keeps looping.

I am glad I managed at least a fragmented backup, but I may actually try and remaster the thing into a more functional product. So bizzarre.

[setarip_old]

I should mention that in a stand alone, as well as in media player, the film seems to work for the most part.There is also a problem with the file structure of the original - if you start it in a stand-alone, it chokes for a minute or so, then starts the universal splash screen, and begins the movie. If you force it to menu after that, what should likely be the opening menu loads, with options for cast notes or subtitles, ect. but that menu does not load at the beginning, nor at the end of the dvd, after the movie has ended. The movie just keeps looping.You appear to be contradicting yourself...

[J99]

Sorry, You are right - vague. Even though the first one is true, consider the second quote to be of greater validity. All in all, it was a truly difficult experiece.