Awful dvd quality results with Nero vision express

[Scorpius]

I have some DV tapes (60min) which I want to encode and author to dvd. No editing required, just simple dvd with hopefully good image quality.

Well, since I think "one click" solutions are best for my purpose, I made one dvd with Nero Vision Express 3...and the results were horrible. I used 2 pass encoding and 5000K quality. On top of that, there is now combing while in DV avi files it was not present!

Is bad quality because of Nero or is it because movie from my camcorder is quite noisy? Frame here (http://users.tkk.fi/~dsiponen/NVE00001.png) (size: 900k)

If nero sucks, please tell me what other (prefetably easy) soft to use?

If it is because of noise, what methods do I have to get rid of it (while keeping good quality)?

Thanks in advance!

P.S. there is no screenshot of dvd image quality because overlay wont allow me to take snapshot (printscreen). But trust me, image quality is worse than 400meg divx3 movie :(

P.P.S. I read doom9:s DVtoDVD guide and IMHO it was so complex that I really hope there is some easier possibilities with nice quality.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

If there were no combing artifacts before and now there are, I think that's just because your player (or the DV decoder) deinterlaced the video for you. Nero will not deinterlace the video and just create an interlaced Video-DVD. But that's not a problem if you play the DVD on a normal DVD-Player / TV-Screen. If you play your DVD on the PC, then the DVD-Software should do the deinterlacing.

If you need denoising, I think the easiest way to do it, is let Nero decode your video via ffdshow. This way you can use ffdshow's filters for processing. There are some denoise filters in ffdshow...

[writersblock29]

@Scorpius

I do quite a bit of DV-DVD conversions, and have always tended to stick with using an assortment of programs to fit that end. I will, occassionally, tinker around with the options availible with video editing suites/DVD burning programs... but I absolutely have yet to find a single one that yeilds very impressive results. Nero's easy to use... but why spend tons of money on top-notch camera equipment so that you can produce DVDs with less quality than a VHS? I couldn't get anything likeable to come out of Nero6. Roxio wasn't any better -- even though you're dealing, essentially, with Sonic whenever you fire up a Roxio product. My absolute advice would be to use either HC or CCE (or TMPGE, if you don't mind the incredibly slow encoding time -- but it is perhaps the most user-friendly DV-to-MPEG encoder) for your video stream. Extract the sound stream and save as a WAVE file; you can convert this to AC3 using Be-Sweet. Then you can author with DVD-Lab (free demo that lasts 30 days) and burn with Nero. It IS a lot of work and multiple steps... But I'm here to tell you that there's no one-shot solution that will give you that sort of quality. If there is, I'd be more than happy to use it, myself!

[radar]

hi writersblock29,im looking for a very good authorring tool for dvd backups.i use dvd rb pro with cce,i do most of my authorring with dvd shrink with no comp,then send it to dvd rb to finish.

[writersblock29]

Hello, back, Radar; it's been awhile!

When you say you're looking for a good authoring program for DVD backups, do you mean that you're looking for more flexibility for customizing your backups (being able to pretty much change anything you want, however you want)? Pretty much the best program I've ever seen for reverse-engineering a DVD -- then being able to piece it back together absolutely however you want it -- is DVD Remake Pro. It's not a free program, and there is a pretty good learning curve to it, but in the end you can do some pretty neat stuff. For menus alone, here's a taste:

*Convert massive animated menus into stills.
*Export still frames so that they can be modified in Photoshop, or similiar program, and then re-inserted into your original DVD structure (the modified menus need re-encoded as MPEG, since the still frames are saved as bitmap... but DVD Shrink works great for that if you use the re-author mode, and replace some tiny extra with your modified menu still frame -- which can then be used with DVD Remake). This feature allows you to completely remove all reference to removed streams, as well as the button itself.
*Strip angles (good for video streams as well) to remove foreign language menus and video streams -- or even set a particular foreign language as a default, if so desired.

If you're interested in reading more, here's the website:
http://www.dimadsoft.com/dvdremakepro/index.php

Many free programs will do some of the things that Remake will do (I'm sure some good suggestions are soon to follow)... but I like the flexibility of opening one program and doing most of what I set out to do. (Of course, the Remake project usually still needs re-encoded, which is where Rebuilder comes in, and modified menus still need to be encoded as MPEG, which is where Shrink's still useful.)

Hope that helps!

[siddharthagandhi]

I get excellent results with Nero Vision. It probably has something to do with interlacing as said or a messed up input file.

[radar]

writersblock29,thanks again for the great info.i will check out that program.:thanks:

[pluto32]

Well, since I think "one click" solutions are best for my purpose, I made one dvd with Nero Vision Express 3...and the results were horrible. I used 2 pass encoding and 5000K quality. On top of that, there is now combing while in DV avi files it was not present!


Increase the bitrate from 5000 kbit/sec to 8000 kbit/sec, if you're using PCM audio. If you encode your audio to AC3 448 kbit/sec, you can increase the video bitrate to 9000 kbit/sec.

When you're viewing your DVD, use some software like Cyberlink PowerDVD. It has a built in de-interlacer which will fix the combing affect. You can download a 30 day trial from: http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/products/main_1_ENU.html

[Scorpius]

Hi all and thanks for the info!

You guys are correct, of cource there is no one-click-perfect-encoder. If there was, everyone would use it ;)

Anyway, since I am a lazy bastard, I stuck with Nero and played with some settings. First of all, I put only 1 hour (one cassette) into 4.3G dvd+r what makes quality of 9700k/s. Secondly, I use ffdshow filter to get rid of noise, which seems to be my sony camcorders big problem. Result is quite good, and in TV it is excellent.

Cheers,
Scorpius