FreeAnime alpha 2 (Theora, Vorbis, OGG)

[Sirber]

Name: FreeAnime
Version: alpha 2
Purpose: Batch File Re-encoding
Language: English
Programmed in: Delphi 7 VCL
License: OpenSource, licensed under GNU GPL

http://www.detritus.qc.ca/images/donate.png (https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=sirber@gmail.com&no_shipping=1&item_name=FreeAnime%20LE)

Features:
* Video: Theora
* Audio: Vorbis
* Input: AVI, DV, OGG, MPEG, VOB, AVS
* Output: OGG

Minimum system requirements:
* Windows 95/98/2000/XP
* Pentium 2 or higher CPU
* 64MB of RAM

Installation:
1) Download and Extract!
2) Run!
3) Drag files in! :D

Download:
Detritus Software (http://www.detritus.qc.ca)

Comments are welcome! :D

[killerhex]

i get errors when im tryin to play a sample of the encoded file what codecs do i need

[Sirber]

i get errors when im tryin to play a sample of the encoded file what codecs do i needmPlayer or ffdshow with theora and vorbis enabled. You'll also need an OGG splitter.

In term of quality and filesize RealAnime beats FreeAnime, but only FreeAnime is patent-free on the technology used.

[killerhex]

can you make and encoder for wmv

[Sirber]

nope. in .net also? :p

[Doom9]

wmv would kinda beat the point of patent free, wouldn't it? However, patent-free at this time also means low quality.. at least video quality.

[Sirber]

Yep. Theora needs a lot more bitrate than x264 to get acceptable quality.
I just made this UI for fun and to have something to encode with Theora.

[hellfred]

Let's see what Fluendo can do about video quality with the dirac reimplementation (Schrödinger-Project). And aren't there lots of possibillities to improve theora, too?

Hellfred

[bratao]

The Show Wavelet codec its Patent-Free too ??
It getting some accetable quality and speed

[Sirber]

I heard Dirac is very slow. I had Snow in the betas of RealAnime 4, but quality is too poor to be usable. I don't know about their patents.

In any case, this is only a gui for ffmpeg2theora.

[hellfred]

AFAIK Snow uses heavily patend technics. Building a videocodec that does not confict with any patents is impossible. Wasn't that the reason for the stop of tarkin, xiphs try to do a free video codec themselfes? Theora uses On2s technics for free, dirac those of bbc.

Hellfred

[Sirber]

CD is making a build that supports AVS as input. That will give a better start to FreeAnime! :D

[killerhex]

sirber can you make and mpeg encoder then

[Sirber]

@killerhex

There are alreany many out there. Also, this thread is about Theora and Vorbis, if you do not wish to talk about that please move along. I'll also remind you this rule:

3) Keep the focus: Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved, locked or simply be deleted.

Thanks.

[Sirber]

@bond

Can you clean this thread please? It's become too much OT. Thanks!

[killerhex]

never read the rules but ok keep working on the theora+vorbis for better quality on encoding with it

[bond]

And aren't there lots of possibillities to improve theora, too?definitely. theora is comparable to mpeg-4 asp and in some regards even better than asp as it supports for example loop and multiple reference frames, more cqm matrices than asp aso...

it just needs someone to enhance the current encoder (mainly still being the vp3 one from on2) or write a new one from scratch

[Sirber]

I made a test on Naruto (24 minutes) and with quality 3 and -2 it came out at 87MB. Quality is inferior to RealVideo and x264 at same filesize.

I think Theora has more chances against ASP and at medium to high bitrates than with low bitrates. My files has muskito noise on subs and squares in dark area and in high motion scenes.

[PatchWorKs]

The problem is ffmpeg2theora itself: it can't do a 2-pass encoding.
Switch to ffdshow instead.

[Sirber]

VFW?!?!?!?! Never! :sly:

[bond]

ffdshow supports outputting correct theora .ogg files (yeah, not .ogm)

[PatchWorKs]

VFW?!?!?!?! Never! :sly:
Sorry, i'm almost a newbie: why ? :confused:

[Sirber]

I would to code VFW interface in my GUI, which is long and painful. It's way easier to use a CLI like x264.exe, mencoder.exe or ffmpeg2theora.exe :)

[PatchWorKs]

Yes but you can use VirtualDubMod as an engine, for VFW encodings... (check out FairUse Wizard, just in my signature)

[Sirber]

Thanks but no thanks :) I'm gonna stick with ffmpeg2theora. Also, since I'm not using theora myself, I won't continu the development of the GUI unless users are interrested in.

[Sharktooth]

well im interested... but i cant help in development since im quite busy with my health problems :(

[Sirber]

The GUI is in delphi :p, as RealAnime.

svn://svn.detritus.qc.ca/detritus/FreeAnime

I'll polish it some day, with avs input, save/load settings and maybe filtering like in RealAnime.

[Sirber]

Alpha 2 is ready!

Changelog:
* Added AVS input (thanks Celtic_Druid)
* Added Save / Load settings
* Added right click menu in file list

http://www.detritus.qc.ca/static.php?page=static060318-165236

[Sharktooth]

Erreur OLE 80004001 when opening and when closing FreeAnime.
That's with wine though.

[Sirber]

Do you have the same thing with RealAnime?

[Sharktooth]

uhm... no but i tested an old version (4.01 or something)

[Sirber]

someone in RV forums ran RealAnime 4.x on wine perfectly.

[Sharktooth]

fixed (missing dlls).

[Sirber]

Which ones? (in case other people have that problem)

[Sharktooth]

*ole*.dll

[PatchWorKs]

Any news about 2pass encoding ?

:goodpost:

[Sirber]

nope. Theora hasn't been updated for a while :(

[PatchWorKs]

Are u sure ?

2006 June 20 - libtheora 1.0alpha7 release
:rolleyes:

[Sirber]

it's not libtheora that handle 2 pass, but ffmpeg2theora ;)

[celtic_druid]

Last update I noticed was to do with AMD64 asm, so basically nothing. 2 pass really has nothing to do with libtheora though, ffmpeg2theora would need updating.

and it was updated recently. Time remaining I think was added in the last couple of days. Nothing of major interest like 2 pass though.

[PatchWorKs]

Well, at this point i hope to see x-pass...

[fjgo]

svn://svn.detritus.qc.ca/detritus/FreeAnime

The sources are freely available?
SVN ask for a username/password.

[Sirber]

I shutdowned the SVN to public. let me make you a zip.

[edit]

Download source (http://www.mooload.com/new/file.php?file=files/110806/1155295257/FreeAnime.7z)

[fjgo]

Download source (http://www.mooload.com/new/file.php?file=files/110806/1155295257/FreeAnime.7z)
Thanks.

[Sirber]

Before you run scared, FreeAnime is in Delphi 7 VCL :)

Now run! :D

[Sirber]

the core of FreeAnime is going to RealAnime 5.
This project will be terminated.

@ffmpeg devs

would be cool to have 2pass in ffmpeg2theora, would give a boost to the codec.

[Sirber]

looks like there's a new version of ffmpeg2theora, June 03 2006.
still no 2pass :(

[celtic_druid]

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r11770 | j | 2006-08-14 02:56:03 +1000 (Mon, 14 Aug 2006) | 1 line

remove more tabs
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r11769 | j | 2006-08-14 02:53:27 +1000 (Mon, 14 Aug 2006) | 1 line

remove tab
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r11728 | tahseen | 2006-08-03 00:36:05 +1000 (Thu, 03 Aug 2006) | 2 lines

theora_info structure was being cleared early causing invalid values in skeleton packet for theora.

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r11722 | j | 2006-07-30 21:02:06 +1000 (Sun, 30 Jul 2006) | 11 lines

patch by Moritz Grimm <gtgbr@gmx.net>

* prevent buffer overflows / crashes when handling filenames that are
too long
* do not allow user-supplied strings in format strings
* more consistent, and sometimes corrected (and nicer :)) error messages
* no more rindex(), it is deprecated and strrchr() is ANSI C and in the
POSIX standard. I'm absolutely positive that all your supported
platforms have it (and not only Windows.)


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r11715 | j | 2006-07-25 02:40:22 +1000 (Tue, 25 Jul 2006) | 1 line

calculate and display remaning time.
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r11699 | tahseen | 2006-07-09 16:20:12 +1000 (Sun, 09 Jul 2006) | 3 lines

Bug fix for skeleton support. Message header was missing CRLF terminator
and granulerate denominator was incorrect for vorbis stream.

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r11698 | j | 2006-07-08 18:25:52 +1000 (Sat, 08 Jul 2006) | 4 lines

patch by tahseen adding ogg skeleton support.
Fixes #939

That is what is new recently.

[Sirber]

they have big fun removing tabs ;)

[PatchWorKs]

Well, i hope to see some lancer (http://homepage3.nifty.com/blacksword/)-like (or LAME-MT (http://www.lame-mt.com/)) optimization, in the future...
:rolleyes:


(i already asked both developers to give their efforts to royality free codecs...)