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frednerk
26th February 2006, 09:44
Saw a post here somewhere quite recently where someone knowledgable flagged Convolution3D as old and newer things as more useful, but I've lost the link (was looking forward to responses).

Over at http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1470920#1470920 some bloke did a (limited information, no images) comparison of several filters, including RemoveGrain, Vaguedenoiser, Deen, Edeen, Degrainmedian, Descratch, fft3dfilter and Convolution3D and in his opinion Convolution3D still "cut it" for the source clip he had and the job he wanted done. Must admit, C3d and Pixie seem to do an acceptable "most of the job most of the time" for simple captures I have, with advances like MCNR_simple2 and LimitedSharpenFaster and SeeSaw adding value doing happy things to simple but noisy clips.

From a newbies perspective, is there already a link showing some simplistic before/after image comparisons eg (a) minor noise (b) moderate noise (c) heavy noise such as poor VHS capture, and then alongside a sample of the effect of each of various filters with "optimal settings" on each ? Guess such would have clips which don't need other types of filtering. Would such a thing help newbies select amongst potential denoisers more easily ?

If reasonable and if it'd help - if someone had (smallish) clips and scripts, I'd be happy to try'n run'm over a couple of weeks... bearing in mind I only have 10Mb ISP web space and can only do simple web pages. Dunno about linking such a thing with something like http://www.avisynth.org/mediawiki/wiki/User:Clouded/Rough_Classification ... maybe Clouded's already got that in hand.

communist
26th February 2006, 11:18
Did you take a look at this this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=71485)?

frednerk
26th February 2006, 12:48
I have now. Thankyou communist. That thread links to http://www.geocities.com/wilbertdijkhof/analog_comp/comparison.htm where Wilbert compares
PixieDust, Overlay with two different broadcastings, PeachSmoother (temporal component), TemporalCleaner,
TemporalSoften, MipSmoother (spatial component), VagueDenoiser for 2 analogue clips, Didee teases with the awesome LTMSC on a different clip, and FFT3DFilter gets a link. Yes, Wilbert does a great job, and it's what I was wondering about albeit with 2 clips rather than (a) (b) (c)... wonder if a couple of other filters could get a gurnsey eg c3d, Degrainmedian, RemoveGrain, RemoveDirt, MCNR_simple2. Think I might have a little try for meself with a couple in a similar way, not with analysis but just images as results, and would be happy to receive suggestions on settings - donated links to short clips (or a hint to somewhere in this forum if already exists) for "standard" (a) minor noise (b) moderate noise (c) heavy noise such as poor VHS capture, would be welcome. I guess there would be something like a standard test suite, for filter developers to use/compare with. Please be gentle with me if I'm being silly.

PS is there a latest link for LTMSC, even pre-release ? guess I'll have to learn search better.
Edit: looked harder, and found http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=690048#post690048 and http://home.arcor.de/dhanselmann/_stuff/LTSMC.rar but may I hazard a guess MCNR_simple2 might be a more recent follow-on (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=790651#post790651) ?