How to enable TV-Out on Radeon X1300 [Archive]

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zeszut

13th February 2006, 02:26

I just purchased a Gateway GT5023 PC.

I had a ATI Radeon X1300 installed because of the S-Video TV-Out connection (among other reasons).

I have connected the S-Video output on the X1300 card to the S-Video input on my TV. There is no signal being received by the TV. I can find no documentation on ATI's site or on the web as to how to enable the S-Video output from the X1300 card.

Can anyone direct me in the right direction (for documentation) or tell me how to get a signal?

Thanks in advance

setarip_old

13th February 2006, 02:36

Hi!I can find no documentation on ATI's site or on the web as to how to enable the S-Video output from the X1300 card.How about the documentation and/or software that came with the card?

Have you looked in the system tray/Quicklaunch toolbar for either an "ATI Contol Panel" icon or an "ATI Catalyst Control Center" icon, or both?

zeszut

13th February 2006, 02:40

Actually, I didn't install the card. It was installed at the store where I bought the PC.

The only "documentation" is a booklet describing how to physically install the card. Nothing about what to do with it when that's done.

There is a "Catalyst Control Center" installed on the PC but it says nothing about the S-Video TV-OUT plug.

CWR03

13th February 2006, 02:57

Once you connect the TV, you should be able to enter the video properties (Right-click on the desktop, not on an icon, select Properties, click the Settings tab and right-click and Enable the TV out). Clicking Advanced will allow you to change the settings on the individual displays.

zeszut

13th February 2006, 03:06

Unfortunately, there is no "Enable TV-OUT".

I've attached a picture of this (I think).

setarip_old

13th February 2006, 03:07

if the suggestion by "CWR03" doesn't solve your problem, try a little research at:

https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=293

By the way, if the store personnel did a proper/complete installation, you should have icons for both "ATI Contol Panel" and "ATI Catalyst Control Center" in your system tray...

zeszut

13th February 2006, 03:21

I've been to ATI's site. I could find nothing there about this issue. I did leave an email with their support group but haven't heard anything yet.

Additionally, I'm not comfortable just playing around in the ATI Catalyist Control Center" since I don't know what I'm doing.

setarip_old

13th February 2006, 04:24

From the link I provided - Knowledge Base>>Features and Functions>>ATI Control Panel (This would be visible if you had the "ATI Control Panel" installed):

Television output control is "greyed out" and cannot be selected.

In some instances when using a TV OUT (PC2TV) capable card, the control to enable this feature in the Display Properties panel may appear "greyed out" and cannot be selected. Depending on the specific product in use the TV OUT control will appear in one of the following two formats:

There are several reasons why the TV OUT control might be unavailable:
No TV attached.
Improper "load" on the TV out connector.
Resolution is not supported (3D RAGE II/II+ and 3D RAGE PRO only).
CMOS Video ROM Shadow Configuration.
System BIOS does not support a video ROM larger than 32k.
DETAILS:

1. No TV attached.

ATI drivers for products which support TV OUT will automatically detect the presence of a TV or VCR connected to the TV OUT port. If no device is detected, the option to enable TV output is not offered.

2. Improper "load" on the TV out connector.

TV device detection, mentioned above, is accomplished by testing for a 75 ohm impedance on the TV out connector. Most standard TV's and VCR's have this characteristic impedance, however, some high-end TV display devices (e.g. professional video production equipment) may not. If you're using high-end equipment, check for an impedance switch on the display device, or check the user's manual for an option to attach a 75 ohm load.

3. Resolution is not supported (3D RAGE II/II+ and 3D RAGE PRO only).

TV OUT is only supported at resolutions up to 800x600 (and 848x480 on some wide-screen monitors). If the desktop is currently configured for a resolution HIGHER than those supported by TV OUT, the checkbox may be unavailable.

4. CMOS Video ROM Shadow Configuration.

ATI products with TV OUT capability typically have a video ROM which occupies C000 to CBFF in the expansion ROM region. Most system setup (i.e. CMOS) programs assume that a video ROM is only 32k in size. Check your system setup for an option to separately control the video ROM region (C000 to C7FF) and the region from C800 to CBFF (or possibly C800 to CFFF). Test with ROM shadow ENABLED for BOTH regions. If that doesn't work, try ROM shadow DISABLED for both regions.

5. System BIOS does not support a video ROM larger than 32k.

Some system BIOSes simply will not allow a video ROM to allocate more than 32k of ROM space at boot time. Check with your motherboard manufacturer for a system BIOS update that might correct this issue.

ATI offers a DOS device driver called ATITBDRV.SYS as a workaround for 3D RAGE II/II+ and 3D RAGE PRO products. This should be installed in your CONFIG.SYS file during display driver installation IF the installer detects a need for it. However, the detection process is not perfect.

You can manually install ATITBDRV.SYS by inserting the following line in the CONFIG.SYS file:

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ATITBDRV.SYS

You may need to correct the path to match your exact system configuration.

Note that ATITBDRV.SYS will only provide minimal TV OUT functionality. An updated system BIOS which corrects the 32k video BIOS limitation will provide a more thorough solution.

Note: ATITBDRV.SYS does not support RAGE 128 products.

Please contact your system manufacturer for information on obtaining an updated system BIOS.

zeszut

13th February 2006, 04:30

Well, I looked at the installation CD and downloaded the "use's guide". It says nothing about this "ATI Control Panel". It also says nothing about the TV connection except to just connect the cable.

I am not a hardware geek so I don't understand most of your last post.

I guess I'm just the victim of a lie masquerading as advertising on ATI's X1300 card and website.

setarip_old

13th February 2006, 05:14

I am not a hardware geek so I don't understand most of your last post.I hope you do understand that what I posted is not "my words", it's the information that appears at the site - I'm not personally familiar with your card, simply trying to help you find the required information...

However, this one thing in the list above caught my eye:

"TV OUT is only supported at resolutions up to 800x600"

zeszut

13th February 2006, 13:44

Sorry, seatarip, I was not aware that you're "not personally familiar with your card, simply trying to help you find the required information".

I've spent quite a few days of research on the web. There is nothing specific about the X1300 setup. So, I posted this thread hoping to find someone who actually HAS the Radeon X1300 and so has experience in what I am trying to do.

A lot of the sites I found talk about "cloning" which is what I want to do. I don't want to use the TV as my monitor. I want to use it to watch MOV & ATI video downloaded from the net.

But thanks for your effort.

setarip_old

13th February 2006, 21:26

Have you tried reducing your desktop resolution to 800x600 and then connected your TV to the "Video- OUT" connection to your X1300 board?

CWR03

13th February 2006, 21:54

You're supposed to right-click on the "dimmed out" display on the right side and select Enable. If the TV is connected properly it should come on.

Did you ever click "Advanced" with the secondary display selected?

zeszut

14th February 2006, 02:08

Solved.

I went into the "ATI Catalyst Control Center" and "enabled" the 2nd monitor. I held my breath and then went into the "Wizard" and selected "Standard TV" as my monitor. I followed links through and, voila, my desktop appeared on the TV. Unfortunately, it disappeared from my pcr monitor. I did manage to reverse this and get my pc monitor back.

So I guess it works! Thanks all!

I only wish there was a way to have my desktop on the pc monitor AND on the tv. I'm worried about not being able to get the desktop back from the TV in the future whenever I do this.

Thanks, again.

setarip_old

14th February 2006, 03:15

I only wish there was a way to have my desktop on the pc monitor AND on the tv.That would depend on whether the card is capable of simultaneous output.

Congratulations on resolving your dilemma!

CWR03

14th February 2006, 07:16

Had you tried my suggestion, you probably would have found that it defaults to the "clone" mode in which both devices display the same thing, unless ATI has made some backward changes to their display devices.

zeszut

18th February 2006, 16:39

Sorry, CWR03 ... the "enable" option does nothing except blink the monitor and the tv (which is black at this point). Also, the Catalyst Control Center says "Current Desktop Display: Single Display". This never changes to anything indicating "clone" mode.

setarip_old

18th February 2006, 18:50

I only wish there was a way to have my desktop on the pc monitor AND on the tv.Now that I can see the screengrab that you've posted - Have you tried clicking on the downarrow to the right of the box immediately under the word "Display:" to see what other options are available?

zeszut

21st February 2006, 01:37

That down arrow lists the Graphics Adapter availalbe. There is only the one shown.

setarip_old

21st February 2006, 01:42

There is only the one shown.Are we talking about the same downarrow - to the right of the box that says "2. (Default monitor) on Radeon X1300 Series Secondary"?

zeszut

21st February 2006, 23:27

I have had some response on another forum and this is what I've come up with ...

There are 3 output on the X1300 ... VGA, S-Video and DVI.

The X1300 has the following listed spec: "Multiple Monitor Suppor - Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions and refresh rates".

In the box with the X1300 are a number of converter cables: S-Video to component, S-Video to composit AND ... what I'm starting to think is DVI to VGA.

Putting this all together ... the suspicion is that the VGA and the S-Video TOGETHER product one shared display and the DVI produce the second display. If this is correct, then all I would have to do is hook up my Samsung SyncMaster 192 monitor to the DVI output using what I think is the DVI/VGA adapter.

I'm not at home now, but will do some research to see if the adapter in the X1300 box is indeed a VGA/DVI.

Now my concern is hooking up the monitor to the DVI output using this adapter.

zeszut

21st February 2006, 23:31

zeszut

22nd February 2006, 02:01

OMG. IT WORKS!!!!!

SyncMaster connects to the DVI ouptut (using DVI/VGA converter). TV connects to the S-Video ouput. Only desktop shows on the TV. At this point I go into the Catalyst software and, lo and behold, there is now a "clone" option. Clone selected. Voila! Video appears on monitor AND television. How simple yet how arcane. You'd think that ATI would say something about how to do this.

Oh well, at least problem is solved. Thanks to all of you for your time and effort.

setarip_old

22nd February 2006, 02:05

Thanks to all of you for your time and effort.Congratulations on resolving your dilemma! You're most welcome ;>}