How to make a nice inverse 3:2 in CCE?

[Jacoh]

Hi gentlemen! I've been having a lot of trouble in CCE with the inverse 3:2 pulldown setting. I've been trying to make interlaced dvd's just as the commercial ones. so, i used a code, provided by mugfunky, for a 119.88fps video i had. the code is this one:
avisource("movie.avi", audio=false)
changefps(60000,1001)
lanczosresize(720, 480)
assumetff().separatefields().selectevery(4,0,3).weave()

The original "movie.avi" is an 23.976 anime (rurouni kenshin). in TMPGenc, i only have to to choose in the "encode mode", the setting: Inverse 3:2 pulldown and it works fine (Thanks mug!). but in CCE i couldnt do the same. the movie plays fine in powerdvd, but the same isn't happening on the DVDPlayer. What should I do? Change the code? Change the settings? Here, the pulldown options avaiable in CCE
http://www.doom9.org/mpg/images/cce/cce270-pulldown.png

thanks a lot! sorry about my english!

[Skelsgard]

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9699/cce9le.jpg
These settings will get u a good NTSC compliant M2V video.
BTW: when the source is 23.976 or 24.000 fps, the "3:2 pulldown" option will take the FR to 29.97 NTSC with interlacing. "Inverse 3:2 pulldown" applies to already pulldowned files (like an 29.97 fps MPEG-2 3:2-pulldowned source) where u want the final output FR to be 23.976 or 24.000 fps (therefore the FR is check as 23.976\24).

[Jacoh]

thanks man! so the only thing i have to change in the code is this?

avisource("prog23.976.avi", false)
changefps(47.952) # 2times 23.976
lanczosresize(720, 480)
assumetff().separatefields().selectevery(4,0,3).weave()
and then use the sttings u posted, with the frame rate at 23.976, and the 3:2 pulldown, right?
thanks a lot for helping me!

[Mug Funky]

i think the code i gave you before was for a 120fps avi source.

if your source is 23.976fps, then just feed that straight to CCE as is (well, resize it to DVD res of course). then you can encode as progressive, and use DGpulldown or Pulldown.exe to bump it up to 29.97 (does CCE do this internally? i guess it does).

[Jacoh]

thanks a lot man! but, that way the video continues progressive. like, i wanted to know how they encode the professional dvd's, how they interlace them. thanks a lot great mug!

[Skelsgard]

The original "movie.avi" is an 23.976 anime
If the source is truly 23.976 fps AVI, then u DON´T need to apply any FR changing command in the script. Just the resize one to 720 x 480.
If u notice the "for DVD" option is selected: this option will automatically apply 3:2 pulldown on 23.976 fps sources, that way size and non-DVD compliant options are disabled, as Pulldown is locked too (I assume to avoid disabling and getting non-DVD compliance).
I do not work with Avisynth, since my answer is totally dedicated to the CCE part of your question. I just load the AVIs to VirtualDubMod, resize with lanczos, start the frameserver, and load the .vdr into CCE. And it gives me excellent quality. I´ve just finished transcoding a H264 AVI (sourced from DVD) back into M2V and the results are awesome.

[Jacoh]

thanks man! it worked here, but i used the avisytnh. like, u decode the h264 with ffdshow vfw? because i've been trying to decode with x264 vfw, but isn't working. also, my vdubmod isnt working dont know why hehehe. thanks!

[Skelsgard]

u decode the h264 with ffdshow vfw?
go to your ffdshow menu in the Start menu, and click on "VFW codec configuration".
There, go to "Decode" tab --> Codecs --> where it says H264, select "libavcodec". That will enable vfw support for H264 with ffdshow.
To send the purest possible video-feed to CCE, disable all extra filters (postprocessing, dscaler, noise, etc..)
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/9947/ffdshow5ct.jpg

[thegame]

can someone tell me what is the difference between 2:3 pulldown and 3:2 pulldown?
new to this program,and curious
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[manono]

Hi-

Here's 3:2 pulldown:

http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=32+pulldown&i=37020,00.asp

and here's 2:3 pulldown:

http://www.doom9.org/ivtc-tut.htm

See if you can spot the difference. Although it's commonly called 3:2 pulldown, 2:3 pulldown is by far the more common. I don't think it makes much difference though, which you use.

[Trahald]

i changed pulldown.exe to allow for 3:2 pulldown and 2:3 (it only supported 2:3 in the past) . its available in numenu4u install package. (numenu4u.com) .. 2:3 is the method most applications use. there really is no difference between them. the tff/bff pattern must match the rff pattern the same for 2:3 and 3:2 or some players will stutter on playback. the distinction of 2:3 or 3:2 is determined by wether the first frame is 3 (has rff) or the first frame is 2.

[thegame]

the reason i ask is because,i capture laserdiscs and then IVTC the video,and when i encode i set CCE SP to 23.976 and for pulldown i left the default of 2:3 and then set to progressive in the picture quality settings,i was wondering if i shoiuld have checked 3:2 intstead,still learning this software,TMPGEnc Plus was all automatic LOL
thanks fro all help
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